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Of course it doesn't! He's in an airplane and therefore isn't using his physical strength! A REAL friend would jump out and actually get his hands dirty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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But if that happened the plane would crash and eggman would have already won

Has there ever been a game were eggman has won ending the game

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But if that happened the plane would crash and eggman would have already wonHas there ever been a game were eggman has won ending the game
Datz da joke.... And yes, Sonic Riders.

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Chaos 4 sucked so hard, why did we have to face this guy three times why?

 

Since you mentioned this, I'll change the subject for the moment.

I'll write it here since I don't think this is worth as a thread so, any of you have any expectation regarding bosses?

Past bosses of recent games didn't present any challenge at all, and I'm hoping Sonic Team to change that, if not at least, refined a little more.

With this new gameplay they could implement new ideas as well, from using parkour to navigate the area, or even climbing the boss itself (in case they were robots, I suppose), to using the wisps as a form of attack rather than a power-up that could beat the boss with just two hits.

Just throwing generic ideas that came to my mind while I was thinking about it.

And last, make a fight in a field that is wide open, this would enhance the possibilities.

Anything really, as long as they don't use the chase style again. They were so limited in that respect. Personally, I didn't like them since Heroes and I don't think I'd like them if they appear once again.

...thoughts?

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Personally I don't mind the chase bosses, granted it shouldn't be every boss, but it isn't a bad concept imo.

It looks like the fight with Zazz will involve chasing him, and perhaps even him chasing you?

In any case, I'm sure the bosses will be enjoyable, I just hope they're at least somewhat challenging.

 

Give 'em more hit points than most of the bosses in the past few games and make sure they're fun fights, and I'll be happy.

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I hope all the boss attack patterns will be diverse and a lot more thought put into it than colours's bosses Rotatron & Refreshinator, Frigate Skullian and Orcan, Admiral Jelly and Captain Jellybean all easy and harder versions of themselves...

Datz da joke.... And yes, Sonic Riders.
A flying Carpet not exactly a victory more like a humiliation

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I hope all the boss attack patterns will be diverse and a lot more thought put into it than colours's bosses Rotatron & Refreshinator, Frigate Skullian and Orcan, Admiral Jelly and Captain Jellybean all easy and harder versions of themselves... A flying Carpet not exactly a victory more like a humiliation
Either way... He still got what he wanted :P

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Certainly more action oriented than now. No argument here, I hope?

 

Nooot really. Tails` expertise was always in machines and tech, now having a more active role in the plot sure but not really fighting on par with Sonic.

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About the whole discussion about Tails not jumping into action, remember what he said? Remember that Sonic decided to be impulsive and fucked up? Yeah, doesn't look like a good idea to jump in, make things worse or even get blasted to hell like he almost was.

And speaking of the adventure games, yes, Tails made some cool stuff while there, chasing Eggman, rescuing Sonic from prision, fighting Eggman on his own, helping Sonic on running away from the cops, finding the president... Wait a minute... Did you see the patern? No? Well lets dig into this a bit more, shall we? Where was Sonic when Eggman dropped that bomb on Station Square which ended up in a chase and Tails' final boss? Away, going to Eggman's lab. Where was Sonic when Tails was fighting his way in prision Island? Stuck on said prision. Where was Sonic when Tails went to chase the president? Running away from the cops, after changing places with Tails, who was doing the same moments ago, and where was Sonic when Tails fought Eggman? Oh yeah, DEAD... Well, almost... In 06 he was dead when Tails fought the demons, though...

Thing is: Tails will take action, but only when Sonic isn't there to do it himself, or, like in Adventure 2 and 06, he's dead and Tails is either angry enough to beat the shit out of Robotnik, or full of determination to save his friend from dying, even if it means going through hell and back to collect a Chaos Emerald.

Now lets see in the modern Era... Unleashed: Tails was about to get killed by Dark Gaia's minions, he had no reason to fight them, probably didn't even know what they were, and take into account they have nightmarish powers, so who knows? Kid was probably facing his worst nightmare.

Sonic Colors, Tails was never on the levels with Sonic, he probably was either working on the Translator, investigating the situation on the park, or probably just shopping and not caring for Sonic trying to show off.

Now In Lost World we have Tails saying something akin to ''Dude, don't do anything stupid, we have like, a mini army of Badniks, seven demons and Eggman all at the same place'', and Sonic screwed up faster than you can say ''Fuck my life'', and considering how almost no one reacted to the attack, its safe to assume everything happened REALLY fast, with only Sonic being able to keep up with everything, and Tails not even having time to facepalm at Sonic screwing up big time.

Now before you say that Tails was really a scaredy cat on the Unleashed cutscene by saying he faced worse... Let me just remember that all these times he did so, he either was doing it because he felt like he needed since Sonic couldn't, was trying to save Sonic, or avenging him, or was with Sonic all the time, just like Metal Overlord.

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But you'd think that all of the experience you just named would ultimately culminate in his ability to take the same actions he has before under a wider range of circumstances. His confidence shot up between Adventure to Adventure 2 alone, and that was because he was presumably developing into a hero that was both competent and capable of fighting independently without the entire world being on his shoulders or Sonic being a deciding factor into why he was fighting. Granted, it would help tons if he was actually playable. That's really the only reason they've relegated his support role into what it is today.

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But you'd think that all of the experience you just named would ultimately culminate in his ability to take the same actions he has before under a wider range of circumstances. His confidence shot up between Adventure to Adventure 2 alone, and that was because he was presumably developing into a hero that was both competent and capable of fighting independently without the entire world being on his shoulders or Sonic being a deciding factor into why he was fighting. Granted, it would help tons if he was actually playable. That's really the only reason they've relegated his support role into what it is today.

Thing is, you could say that while he had his moments of development in the Adventures, he spent all the games right after those either on Sonic's side doing nothing or fighting alongside Sonic, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to say that he got used to fighting alongside someone or just helping with his tech and knowleadge after the Adventure Series.

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I don't think settling back down into a specific role would necessarily undermine the confidence boost he gained in Adventure 2 or the natural development path that he was heading down. I'm even a little incredulous about the idea of him being completely terrified of non-Eggman enemies, considering his point of view in Adventure had him beating the snot out of Chaos in various forms.

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I don't think settling back down into a specific role would necessarily undermine the confidence boost he gained in Adventure 2 or the natural development path that he was heading down. I'm even a little incredulous about the idea of him being completely terrified of non-Eggman enemies, considering his point of view in Adventure had him beating the snot out of Chaos in various forms.

I don't think the point of views on Adventure are very reliable, considering how apparently everyone and their dog fought Chaos 4 and how Sonic and Tails fought Gamma and defeated him, but Gamma also defeated Sonic and Tails never did a thing on the fight according to his point of view... And then there's Eggman fighting Tails at the same time he's fighting Sonic... I think at that point someone on Sonic Team just stopped caring.

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I don't think the viewpoints are unreliable but are just that: viewpoints. The end result of each boss interaction is shown in the cutscenes afterward, and who was getting the upper hand during the fight just doesn't ultimately matter. Gamma lost for sure. Sonic and Tails beat Chaos together. Sonic and Knuckles tied and were subsequently interrupted by Eggman, and so on.

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Also, correct me if Im wrong, but didn't Tails only fight with Chaos once? In his Chaos 4 form? And I think he also fought Gamma and Knuckles, again, all these three he was fighting with Sonic on his side, so he probably wasn't developing that much of a confidence by that time, only when he had to fight alone that he had a major development.

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For the record, I'm not degrading Tails. I'm arguing against the explanations for the reappropriation of his role. Frankly, I don't think Sonic Team have given this much thought to this, insomuch as his modern incarnation was probably created in response to the fact that he isn't following Sonic around in the gameplay anymore so they threw him some other tasks to do to justify him still being there.

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Tails not being much of fighter and instead being more of the inventions and information guy is fine by me. It at least feels a bit like they decided to take Tails' little development in the Adventure games to put Tails in a position where instead of being Sonic's little flying shadow, he's treated moreso as an ally with his own expertese that provides something which Sonic can't do himself. Ergo, he's closer to an equal than an apprentice now.

The only problem is that the way he's been handled in recent games hasn't done much to help get rid of the negative ideals of Tails' character. In Unleashed he's introduced in the game as just that, a weak, helpless, and cowardly little Fox who could do nothing more than fly away and hide from a few enemies, instead of trying to find a way to get rid of them. Though at the very least he did play a vital role in being Sonic's pilot, since Sonic alone was incapable of crossing the gaps between world fragments. Though, if I'm remembering correctly, Tails' roles in both Colors and Generations was pretty invaluable (outside of the Toxic Skies mission I guess). He mostly just sat around waiting for Sonic to do his thing and then popped by to tell Sonic pretty basic information that he could've figured out on his own or gone on with his adventure without knowing.

Tails' problem is the same as every other character's in the franchise, bad writing and missed potential. All he needs is a more avid role in the plot itself, even if he doesn't do any direct combat. Have him invent items and machines that assist Sonic in gameplay, give him his own special cutscenes showing him salvaging infromation through investigating Eggman's servers or spying on whatever enemy they're facing or even hindering Eggman by hacking or puting his inventions against Eggman's. Just something substantial, please.

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I actually enjoy the way Tails is right now, in the classics and the Adventure games it felt like he was ''That fanboy trying to be just like Sonic'' who's only personallity is being shy and trying to not only impress Sonic but be just like him.

Its good to see that he is not a fanboy anymore, he's an EQUAL to Sonic, he doesn't idolize him, he actually pokes fun at him when possible and isn't impressed so easily by his actions, yes he isn't jumping into action, but you know what? I always thought Tails never wanted to jump into action and fight, no, he just wanted to prove to Sonic he was good enough and wanted to be just like Sonic. I like this new Tails because he isn't trying to be Sonic, he's being his own self.

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I personally think the game where he truly was horribly treated was Sonic 06. All he ever did in that game characterwise is point out the painfully obvious right after it happens.

 

 

"It looks like the princess was moved to another location" - Well no shit Tails.

 

"A chaos emerald! You've already found one!" - Tails, we're not blind, we can see that.

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