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But why does a fan need more reason than "I like them" to want see their favorite characters?

You're free to want whatever you want, but that doesn't make it a reasonable request.

Again, the story will most likely be bare-bones, so why do I have to include plot related reasons for wanting them to show up?

"The story will already be shit, so why not make it more shit" isn't a compelling argument.

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I found the source. An article on Famitsu's site:

Original Text:

ソニック ロスト ワールド』

Wii U・ニンテンドー3DS/2013年秋発売予定/価格未定

 一枚だけ、イメージビジュアルが公開された『ソニック』シリーズ最新作。さまざまな要素は、今月中にも公開される予定とのこと。

 

Google Translate:

" Sonic Lost World " will be released fall / price undecided Wii U · Nintendo 3DS/2013 years only one piece, the published visual image " Sonic "The latest series. Various elements, and that will be published later this month as well.

Not sure if it sounds like LW will be in Famitsu or not. Probably not...

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Honey the Cat should be in this game.

Why? Let Sonic Team figure it out.

More like "because I would enjoy seeing her developed in a mainstream Sonic game," a statement that could prompt any number of replies and subsequent healthy discussion. But thank you for ridiculously misconstruing my argument in an attempt to mock it.

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Because its not about what fans want, its about what the writers want, and what makes sense in the context of the story.

Story can be rewritten to fit the characters appearing in it. It should not be a problem for any writer.

Edited by ArtFenix

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Most of the established characters already have some reason to appear in a game just by mere identity. The casts have jobs, goals, and desires that make them fairly easy to insert in different scenarios. Tails is a genius/pilot/Sonic's ultimate bestie and thus tags along, Shadow is an agent, Rouge likes stealing shit, Knuckles is always losing shit Rouge wants to steal, Amy is looking for Sonic, the Chaotix are detectives, etc.. Their motives are an inherent part of who these characters are, so their inclusion in a plot is not as damned difficult as it's been made out to be for God knows whatever reason.

Certainly, conversations can happen about how these characters are going to pay off in the plot down the line, as inclusion is only half the battle. What they discover and do throughout a story is more pertinent, but including them on narrative-based reasons is the biggest non-issue ever. And having the characters pay off is only a conversation that can be best had in hindsight because, again, you can't make an argument for or even against a character's inclusion in a story we know nothing about. It is also ultimately out of any fans' control, because again, no one here is in a position to dictate how the stories can go. We're not writers for Sega. Asking me to seriously justify why Shadow should be in Lost Worlds at this point- or even future games I can't conceive of yet- is an exercise in futility and nonsense. All of this is basically why I don't feel anyone needs to be browbeat into justifying why they want their favorite characters to show up beyond mere admiration. Seriously, character discussion has gotten a little ridiculous and overwrought at this point.

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It's not that I hate when Sonic Team adds new characters, I just hate when they spend time creating MORE characters when they barely took the time to flesh out the ones they already made.

 

I'm all for new characters, I just wish they would give personality to the current "new" ones before just shoving more into the game.

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I don't really believe in a teaser or something for today. it's 8:30 pm here now...dunno where woun got that information.

 

Woun said that we can expect news on the 23rd...I think. Nothing's happening today that's for sure.

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You know what?

 

I don't care if this game has fucking boring-ass level tropes, barely any story, or even Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik only.

 

If there's good, intuitive and creative level design and a good mesh of classic and modern Sonic gameplay, it can be as boring visually and writing-wise as it wants.  I really don't care anymore.  Just give me a decent length game that's actually fun to play, and a few extras like playable Tails or a Hard Mode, and I'll buy this game, no questions asked.

Edited by THE BABY

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You're free to want whatever you want, but that doesn't make it a reasonable request.

"The story will already be shit, so why not make it more shit" isn't a compelling argument.

 

Thats a bit "Overthinking" don't you think?  What he was trying to say is that "the story is just going to be there as an excuse for sonic to go to this weird hexagon world".

 

Don't forget.  While some of sonics friends didn't appear in the Wii version.  They did in the DS version and no one complained about it.

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You know what?

 

I don't care if this game has fucking boring-ass level tropes, barely any story, or even Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik only.

 

If there's good, intuitive and creative level design and a good mesh of classic and modern Sonic gameplay, it can be as boring visually and writing-wise as it wants.  I really don't care anymore.  Just give me a decent length game that's actually fun to play, and a few extras like playable Tails or a Hard Mode, and I'll buy this game, no questions asked.

 

 

If Sonic games had the most interesting and fun levels ever but the aesthetics were nothing but stick figures and lines would you like it? No you probably wouldn't. Visuals go a long way to creating a fun experience for the player.

Edited by Soniman

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If the Sonic games had the most interesting and fun levels ever but the aesthetics were nothing but stick figures and lines would you like it? No you probably wouldn't. Visuals go a long way to creating a fun experience for the player.

That would actually be pretty original for a Sonic game.ph34r.png

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That would actually be pretty original for a Sonic game.ph34r.png

 

How often are Sonic games unoriginal in themselves though? So to suddenly look generic would be a set back (just as it would be for any series).

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Well thats all true and whatnot (hence why Colors DS and Generations were just blegh with that), but I feel like the jokier characters are the ones that are easier to implement. Do you know how awesome it would be to run into the Chaotix, Big, Prof Pickle, or Wentos just going around the planet for their own weird reasons? tongue.png

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If Sonic games had the most interesting and fun levels ever but the aesthetics were nothing but stick figures and lines would you like it? No you probably wouldn't. Visuals go a long way to creating a fun experience for the player.

 

You ever play those Fancy-Pants games (or whatever the fuck they're called)?

 

It's literally Sonic made of sticks and lines and they're insanely fun.  So yeah, I would think it was fun.

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I acknowledged that there's more to writing a story than including a character, and subsequently I agree that merely including a character isn't grounds for a good story. At the same time though, and what my ultimate point is, is that the mere potentiality for bad writing is irrelevant to the act of asking for a character to appear in future games. For one thing, no one wants to change the Sonic series for the worse anyway; any suggestions made are done so under the good faith that a person has the best intentions, which means assuming that people also want good writing to accompany their favorite characters' inclusion anyway. Second, fans can only do so much; once the suggesting, complaining, and bitching is done, ultimately the future of the franchise is in Sonic Team's hands. I can't force them to write well, as much as I'd want them to, so how things turn out isn't my fault, no more than it is classic fans' fault that Sonic 4 turned to shit or Adventure fans' fault that Sonic 06 blew. Sonic Team's responsibility is to parse criticism so they can satisfy an audience, and that responsibility doesn't stop at merely agreeing with the ideas of the fan base.

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A good story doesn't mash characters in at random.

This is so uncalled for!

Ok, listen.

First comes a concept of a game.

Then there is supposed to be some kind of a story

And then they decide who will appear in said story and why.

 

 

That's what friggin' writers do! They WRITE. And they can include ANYONE and they can come up with a reason for a character to appear especially if that character is not even playable.

I hope that's clear now.

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You ever play those Fancy-Pants games (or whatever the fuck they're called)?

 

It's literally Sonic made of sticks and lines and they're insanely fun.  So yeah, I would think it was fun.

 

It was ALWYAS like that first of all, it's free second. I highly doubt you would pay 50-60 bucks for a game like Fancy Pants.

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