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Hey.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47208810/lucina-landing_lag.webm

Do you see that landing lag?

Good, now tell me where it is, because I see none.

#Smash4MechanicsAlterations

 

I saw that. I like the idea that she has next to no lag, but she is still a new character. I want to hope that Sakurai heard our pleas for less landing lag, but we need to desperately see the reduction applied to the characters in the invitational.

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Landing lag in this game either seems really severe or non-existent (because a move can be easily auto cancelled), often it's not even on moves or instances where it makes that much sense.  Why can Bowser auto cancel his fast BAir that deals 20% yet Sonic suffers a million years of landing lag on his slower, weaker BAir?

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Hey.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47208810/lucina-landing_lag.webm

Do you see that landing lag?

Good, now tell me where it is, because I see none.

#Smash4MechanicsAlterations

Either

  • Lucina (and maybe Marth) are one of those characters like Kirby who have minimal landing lag
  • Lucina's nair just has minimal landing lag
  • Alternations have been made

It's too soon to assume all landing lag is being fixed just cause we've seen one move from Lucina that has minimal landing lag.

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The leaker probably gathered his information way back during the early planning phases of Smash 4. He saw what characters were planned for Smash and used that as his leak.

Sakurai obviously made alot of changes during the development phases. He probably said "I don't think Chrom should be playable, how about Lucina and Robin?" "Hey what if Rosalina was a character?" and removed/added characters in later drafts, which the leaker either didn't see coming or was unable to get the later drafts.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shulk or even the Chrous men aren't in Smash 4 as playable characters because they got scrapped during development like Chrom most likely was.

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The leaker probably gathered his information way back during the early planning phases of Smash 4. He saw what characters were planned for Smash and used that as his leak.

Sakurai obviously made alot of changes during the development phases. He probably said "I don't think Chrom should be playable, how about Lucina and Robin?" "Hey what if Rosalina was a character?" and removed/added characters in later drafts, which the leaker either didn't see coming or was unable to get the later drafts.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shulk or even the Chrous men aren't in Smash 4 as playable characters because they got scrapped during development like Chrom most likely was.

The only thing I can think of is, however the hell he got it, it was very, VERY early, before the roster was finalized. And the roster was finalized before development actually began, so they probably spent like maybe a couple weeks deciding on a roster, and in that time, Chrom was in one of the earliest drafts, but cut before the roster was actually finalized. That's the only way I can see it at this point.

 

There is still a valid explanation for the guy getting Chrom wrong. Second-hand information that stated something like "main character from Fire Emblem Awakening," and he just immediately assumed Chrom.

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Honestly the "Fire Emblem main character" thing sounds pretty possible, this guy might not have direct contact with the dev team, he might just have taken part in meetings or seen things out the corner of his eye or something, we really don't know, but there are many ways that could explain him getting Chrom wrong that don't necessarily discredit his whole leak.

 

For example, while we're now less 100% certain that Chorus Men or Shulk will get in, not many of us will be that surprised anymore if they do. The Gematsu leak, for me and probably others, has reached a sort of nice neutral point, where "it could be right but it could also be wrong, and it's not the end-all roster list either".

 

I think, after all this, I'm going to be very happy with the roster. You know.. unless tons of the veterans are missing.

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Yet Another Veteran Art Comparison - Captain Falcon

Captainfalcon.pngmain.pngscreen-3.jpg

- The Falcon crest on his helmet has increased in size, particularly the falcon's wingspan.

- The cuffs on his gloves are longer.

- The white underside of his gloves has been changed to a streak of white, with the rest being the same yellow as on the topsides.

- The falcon logo on the gloves have lowered down to the wrists.

- The forearm guards no longer jet out at the elbow.

- The CF belt buckle is much shinier and sporting vibrant color.

- Falcon's gun is not in a traditional holster anymore, but instead in a strap holster. It's much more visible.

- The design on the boots don't pop out as much as they used to.

All in all, Falcon.

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The thing that bugs me about Lucina is that, because she's a clone, she kinda validates the people who are so dismissive of FE newcomers. Yes, she masquerades as Marth in her own game, but they could have done something unique here. I feel like this kind of practice devalues characters and even hurts their chances of returning. I think we're looking at another Roy situation, here. 

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The thing that bugs me about Lucina is that, because she's a clone, she kinda validates the people who are so dismissive of FE newcomers. Yes, she masquerades as Marth in her own game, but they could have done something unique here. I feel like this kind of practice devalues characters and even hurts their chances of returning. I think we're looking at another Roy situation, here.

Well Ganondorf was a clone and he came back.

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In fact, Sakurai directly trolled Chrom fans in the video.

I disagree with this. I think he thought people would be genuinely excited to see Chrom make an appearance as he does with the "No, you'll get it today thing." Seriously I think people are projecting when they assert a developer would literally go out of their way to upset part of their fanbase. 

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Well Ganondorf was a clone and he came back.

Was gonna respond to this, but SilentDoom already summed it up.

 

One thing I'd like to add though- Ganondorf, despite not having a legitimate reason to be a clone, stayed one. I'd love for him to be different this time around, but when you design a character and make them play a certain way, expectations arise. I'm worried that people are gonna realize that Lucina doesn't offer much, and then when Smash 5 rolls around, detractors are gonna have all the ammo they want to say "she's a clone, therefore a waste of a slot." I really like Lucina (and Chrom :C) but not to the point where I'd want them in at any cost. 

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where is he now though!?!??!!?!? EH???

I'm certain he'll be one of the last veteran's revealed.

And I'm calling it now. He'll only be buffed. He'll still be a falcon semi clone.

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The thing that bugs me about Lucina is that, because she's a clone, she kinda validates the people who are so dismissive of FE newcomers. Yes, she masquerades as Marth in her own game, but they could have done something unique here. I feel like this kind of practice devalues characters and even hurts their chances of returning. I think we're looking at another Roy situation, here. 

 

She really doesn't.

 

Fire Emblem isn't just swords swords swords. And even then the movepools on said sword characters are litterally non-existant. Variety only exists if the designer wills it, and considering how hard Captain Falcon's moveset is bullshitted, I don't think Sakurai has any problem doing that.

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Another thing about Lucina.

Remember this pic?

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See how Marth's tipper mechanic is accentuated in the sword trail?

Now here's Lucina's Up Air.

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She doesn't sport the tipper mechanic. So she's a clone of Marth, not an alt. after all.

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I can't think of a single person who enjoys Ganondorf being a Captain Falcon clone, it's a serious injustice to him and the Zelda series as a whole. Ganondorf's moveset is the Smash franchise's longest running sin, and I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope Sakurai now gives him a moveset that does him justice.

 

If keeping old movesets for the sake of Ganondorf mains is so important, just give it to a character like Black Shadow or something.

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I can't think of a single person who enjoys Ganondorf being a Captain Falcon clone, it's a serious injustice to him and the Zelda series as a whole. Ganondorf's moveset is the Smash franchise's longest running sin, and I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope Sakurai now gives him a moveset that does him justice.

 

If keeping old movesets for the sake of Ganondorf mains is so important, just give it to a character like Black Shadow or something.

I just don't see them creating a completely new moveset for a character.

If anything ganondorf, Toon link,and Lucina's custom specials will be different from the originals.

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