About Sonic's 20th

[BakingBluePotatoe]

When you beat the game they should let you replay it in First Person.

That'd be kinda cool....and weird.

Why the hell would you wanna play a Sonic game in First-Person?

[Blazey Firekitty]

Why the hell would you wanna play a Sonic game in First-Person?

Maybe you really, really, like Mirror's Edge and would like to see Sonic in a sleeveless top?

[Reading]

Sonic and the black knight did that right, but it wasn't canon(((That's really a shame(!

Are you sure it isn't canon? Just because it's not part of the main series doesn't make it non-canon (if that's what you were thinking).

[Ell678]

Maybe you really, really, like Mirror's Edge and would like to see Sonic in a sleeveless top?

I was about to mention Mirrors Edge. If anything, the sense of speed would be even more exhilarating.

As for the 20th Anniversary, we can expect another hedgehog to appear, despite the most recent addition still not fully explored in the slightest, and Metal Sonic being ignored.

Or, the twentieth anniversary game would be a total old school homage, with old characters and a plot akin to the old - involving Robotnik taking the Chaos Emeralds for his use, and possibly even involving the Master Emerald so Knuckles can join in. Unlikely - seeing as Robotnik seems to have completely lost all competence and cannot take over the world on his own anymore, relying on monsters. Wimp.

[Blazey Firekitty]

If there is a 20th anniversary game, I'd like it to be a pretty straightforward platformer for the most part, with Tails, Knuckles, and Amy as optional playable characters. Maybe with a special unlockable "Play as Eggman in his Eggmobile" mode.

[Mike]

If there is a 20th anniversary game, I'd like it to be a pretty straightforward platformer for the most part, with Tails, Knuckles, and Amy as optional playable characters. Maybe with a special unlockable "Play as Eggman in his Eggmobile" mode.

So you just wanna replay Sonic Adventure 2?

[Phos]

So you just wanna replay Sonic Adventure 2?

How is that like Adventure 2?

[Blazey Firekitty]

So you just wanna replay Sonic Adventure 2?

Well, not exactly. Tails wouldn't be in a mech, Amy would actually be playable outside of multiplayer, and you wouldn't be required to play as all characters to get a single "true ending."

[Blacklightning]

They should pull a Sonic Rush and have us play the exact same game twice only with a different character.

Now instead of a 4 hour game you have an 8 hour game.

Super Mario Galaxy did this with Luigi....except they made it really hard to get him.

I understand Heroes did this pretty well. They had four teams with identical stage ladders and slight level differences, with characters that played similar to each other, and nobody complained about it at all. Nobody.

...ahahahahaha, fuck no. It was one of the most horrible parts of the game and nobody liked having to replay the same game twice (let alone FOUR times) especially when they were shoehorned in with the same amount of effort as the Galaxy counterpart (which is to say, little to none). Don't kid yourself. The only reason Galaxy gets away with it is because it's an optional unlockable. Shit sucks when it's mandatory for game completion.

[BakingBluePotatoe]

Well, not exactly. Tails wouldn't be in a mech, Amy would actually be playable outside of multiplayer, and you wouldn't be required to play as all characters to get a single "true ending."

it really depends on how they handle it. Sometimes I just wanna finish the Story Mode before I can enjoy the game, but other times I don't care. xD (I wouldn't mind if they did like Rush, Heroes, SA2, Battle, or whatever... SA1 and the advance games seem a bit... eh... to me.)

OH! Maybe they should let you unlock some of the old games to play like Sonic Adventure DX did. x3

EDIT: 100th post!

Edited June 21, 2009 by Blue Streak

[Mike]

I understand Heroes did this pretty well. They had four teams with identical stage ladders and slight level differences, with characters that played similar to each other, and nobody complained about it at all. Nobody.

...ahahahahaha, fuck no.

Well, to be fair Heroes kinda sucked to begin with. So people were going to complain no matter what.

[ArtFenix]

Uh, can you reword this one? I can't seem to make sense out of it.

Ok, i'll try^_^.. Well, i meant that The Eclipse Cannon was the only one and the most powerfull weapon in sonic games.. That makes it unique..It is 50 years old and it was created by the world greatest scientist-dr.Gerald Robotnik.. We don't know how many people worked on it..

And then we see Eggman's cannon which appeared out of nowhere and without any explanation..How could he build this? How could he match his grandfather's cannon? I mean, this makes the eclipse cannon just another ordinary weapon in sonic universe..I remember it used to be very unique..

And it was in Unleashed too. I see no significant difference in "drama" between SA and Unleashed.

Chip's "humour" spoiled everything. Maybe, there could be drama, but i can not see it behind chips "humour". It made the game too childish for me.

Yes, because how dare (what is essentially) a child act like a child! Obviously this one child acting like a child is worse than a whole game where all the characters act like they're in a crappy saturday morning cartoon, completely with a cheesy heavy-handed moral in the form of one of the most repulsive lines in the entire series.

Well, maybe you are right..Sonic heroes plot was bad as well.. Maybe unleashed's one is better..Yes, Sonic himself(and Amy, and Tails) act better in SU, than in SH. But Eggman acts like an idiot in some cutscenes. I remember him as a great villain (Sa, Sa2(ESPECIALLY), S06(ESPECIALLY)), not as a stupid clown.)

I think you need to watch some Looney Toons.

Oh, NO! Looney toons was made ONLY for kids, while sonic games can be made for all ages. Why should i watch this cartoon anyway? To understand that cartoonish characters must act like cartoonish characters for children? I consider Sonic as an anime character more, than a character of an american ordinary cartoon for kids. I think you need to watch some Avatar show)))

Are you sure it isn't canon? Just because it's not part of the main series doesn't make it non-canon (if that's what you were thinking).

I really would like to think it is canon, but hell, it was just another story-book-series game, it wasn't even in sonic's world! I know, Sonic remembers some things from Sa2(final battle with Biolizzard), but Sonic is from his world and the other characters aren't themselves. It's definitely a spin-off. Edited June 21, 2009 by ArtFenix

[Phos]

Lol canon. Sonic has no continuity since the classic trilogy.

Eclipse Cannon

unique

Just as "unique" as all the other Death Star knock offs. The Death Egg was technically a knock off, but it was more of a parody. See how the same thing can be so much better when it isn't taken seriously?

Oh, NO! Looney toons was made ONLY for kids, while sonic games can be made for all ages.

That's where you're wrong. Looney Toons were made to be shown in theaters between the feature presentations. That's the deal behind those shorts Pixar puts before every movie. They had to be just as appealing to all ages as the rest of the stuff in the theater. On that note, I think it's worth mentioning that Wall e won an Oscar.

Why should i watch this cartoon anyway? To understand that cartoonish characters must act like cartoonish characters for children?

The point was twofold, To show you how much better slapstick can be better than the tripe in Unleashed's cut scenes, and that slapstick isn't just for kids. Stuff made only for kids is quite a bit simpler than Looney Toons. But as for Unleashed, it's storytelling isn't bad because it's not taken seriously, it's just plain bad storytelling, seemingly taking lessons from the G.I. Joe School of Dialog.

I consider Sonic as an anime character more, than a character of an american ordinary cartoon for kids. I think you need to watch some Avatar show)))

Yeah, no. In case you don't know who that is, that's Felix the Cat, an American cartoon character that predates television.

[FeathersMcGraw]

Just to throw this out here as well, people of all ages are far more likely to enjoy something that knows what it is (case in point, Looney Toons, sure, there's a lot of slapstick, but it sure as hell knows this and doesn't take itself seriously because of it, which is why it's held in regard by both Kids and Adults to this day). Post SA2 Sonic on the overhand quite clearly (or at least until very recently) tries to be something it's not.

It's not so much the fact that it takes a darker tone, it's the fact that it tries to to take a darker tone whilst everything else is screaming otherwise, character design, cartoony voice work etc. resulting in a horrible clash that just makes everything look incredibly silly and ironically, far more childish than something that isn't afraid to admit what it is. I liken it to a small child that tries to act like a teenager, buying those plastic phones with candy inside and wearing fake high heels.

Just to back Phos up, it's gone on record many times that Sonic was created as a character to appeal to a western market and as such was designed with western cartoons in mind, hence the white gloves and red, white and blue colour scheme, as well as the forementioned similarity to Felix (who also rolled into a ball, ran loop de loops, did the swirly leg thing and tapped his foot).

Edited June 21, 2009 by FeathersMcGraw

[ArtFenix]

The OLD Sonic's design was indeed american. Adventure's Sonic design is more japanese. And the whole series has japanese and anime cliches as many as hell. There weren't many american cliches before SU.

That's where you're wrong. Looney Toons were made to be shown in theaters between the feature presentations.

Never saw such a thing in theatres.. I suppose it was shown baaaaaack then, when the cartoons only started to appear. It was new, that's why it was fun and even adults enjoyed it because it was new. I don't think there are cartoons between movies in theaters now.

And another thing. As far as i can remember, Sa2 is supposed to be the greatest sonic game ever. I didn't hear people complained it was TOO dark. The only thing i heard was that "Sa2 is the greatest sonic game of all time!" and stuff.

I wouldn't want to argue how childish modern sonic games are, i just want them to be as serious as Sa or Satbk (i'm not speaking about Sa2 and S06, though i wanted that level of seriousness more). Don't you thing Sa and Satbk were TOO DARK too?))))xD I think they weren't, but they weren't too childish as well and that's what i like in Sonic. He isn't sickening Mario cheerful as hell. Sonic can be both serious and childish at the same time, Sonic CAN have deep plots with moral, in every sonic game there is another story, while in Mario games it is quite the same again and again and again... I don't want Sonic to be like Mario. Sure, Mario is a great platformer, but Sonic is more than just gameplay to me. That's why i want him to be not so plain and simple. Sonic games are special, while i saw a damn bunch of american plain simple funny cartoons, which are just like clones of each other.

[lounge]

I pretty much agree with ArtFenix. He's right. It's not just about gameplay. Sonic isn't slapstick. Sonic can be funny. But it just looks out of place when they take the humor really out there. An example when Chip faints, and his ghost comes out squirming. What the hell was that? That's not funny, that's embarrasing. I hear people say "sonic should just be about running and collecting rings." That's just too shallow for me.

Nobody cares about story in mario, because his design, art style, and characters just don't suit the moral plots. But to be honest, they can get away with deep plots like the Paper Mario & Mario & Luigi GBA games. But there's so much slapstick humor in those games, that it makes the cutscenes fun to watch.

Back in the early 90's sonic's world and appearance complimented that kind of humor. It looks out of place when they force that kind of stuff in the newer games, especially when sonic and his world have been redesigned with a new art style.

[Phos]

The OLD Sonic's design was indeed american. Adventure's Sonic design is more japanese.

Are you talking about his SA 2 design or his Unleashed design? In many ways, his Unleashed design is as close as you can get to the classic design as you can get while still being able to reach above his head.

I'm not saying I want Sonic to rely on slapstick humor. I actually think that Sonic would benefit from a Tim Schafer sort of vibe. The whole point of the Looney Toons was to provide an example of slapstick far superior to that in Unleashed.

Don't you thing Sa and Satbk were TOO DARK too?))))xD I think they weren't, but they weren't too childish as well and that's what i like in Sonic.

Sonic's story was acceptible in Adventure, but I found SatBK And SA 2 to be pretentious.

[Leon K Fox]

All I worry is that his 20th anniversary game will be just as bad as his 15th anniversary game (Sonic 2006 on the PS3 and 360) which was among the worst video games ever made on the whole, not just Sonic games.

[SuperStingray]

Lol canon. Sonic has no continuity since the classic trilogy.

Sonic certainly has strong and blatant gaps between many games, but "no" continuity is a dramatic overstatement. With the exception of the Blaze/Nega conundrum and a few minor ones that aren't even worth mentioning, i.e. the moon's hole, the series still is on the same timeline as it started.

Just as "unique" as all the other Death Star knock offs. The Death Egg was technically a knock off, but it was more of a parody. See how the same thing can be so much better when it isn't taken seriously?

The Death Egg is the only one that's a rip off in any sense of the term, parody or not. The Ark is a generic superweapon but at least it barely has any resemblance to the Death Egg whatsoever other than the fact it has a rounded side. Look at Halo, the Borg Cube- I could go on. there's a million megastructure superweapons out there and that doesn't make them all rip offs of whichever one came first. Edited June 21, 2009 by SuperStingray

[Scarlet2106]

I'm not sure what I would want for the 20th anniversary.

A Sonic Adventure or Sonic Heroes-style game and a new 2D-graphics game either closely before or after would be good for me, I guess, but I don't want to discount anything else really. I have my preferences, but I'm fine with whatever they do, really.

among the worst video games ever made on the whole, not just Sonic games.

While a Sonic '06 repeat is in no-one's best interests...

Cut that shit out. No, really. There exist hideous, wretched abortions, shuffling betwixt gaming machines in a sinister, off-beat manner. Sonic '06 does not share its quarters with ET, Superman 64, Big Rigs and their slobbering, misshapen ilk. It had its fair share of problems, of course, but seriously, people need to get the fuck over this game. It does not cause cancer, it has not eaten your children, you are not sterile... yet, and for what it's worth, a lot of the game IS functional, elevating it far above Big Rigs at the very least. It doesn't deserve coronations, it doesn't deserve crucifixion. Let it fade within its own puddle of mediocrity.

[Solid SOAP]

I'd definitely say it's one of the worst games in this generation, at least, if not the worst. I haven't seen a game worse than it this entire generation, not even last genertation. It's not up there with ET, Superman 64, etc, but it's close.

[Sean]

While a Sonic '06 repeat is in no-one's best interests...

Cut that shit out. No, really. There exist hideous, wretched abortions, shuffling betwixt gaming machines in a sinister, off-beat manner. Sonic '06 does not share its quarters with ET, Superman 64, Big Rigs and their slobbering, misshapen ilk. It had its fair share of problems, of course, but seriously, people need to get the fuck over this game. It does not cause cancer, it has not eaten your children, you are not sterile... yet, and for what it's worth, a lot of the game IS functional, elevating it far above Big Rigs at the very least. It doesn't deserve coronations, it doesn't deserve crucifixion. Let it fade within its own puddle of mediocrity.

It was a horrible game though. Having people hush up about it isn't going to change anything.

[SuperStingray]

I have to go with Arcane. It's more widely recognized and to a certain extent exaggerated than other shovelware because it's a terrible game that's part of a popular franchise, but that doesn't really excuse it from how terrible it was regardless.

[Phos]

While it's gameplay isn't as deeply flawed as something like Superman ("64" isn't in the title), Superman 64 has essentially no story, so there's little to complain about in that respect, but Sonic 06 dumps terrible dialog and laughable angst at you pretty much the whole way though the game. I guess that it really comes down to how much you hate Sonic 06's plot, but that leaves one question: "Can you solve my maze?"

Edited June 22, 2009 by Phos

[SuperStingray]

While it's gameplay isn't as deeply flawed as something like Superman ("64" isn't in the title), Superman 64 has essentially no story, so there's little to complain about in that respect, but Sonic 06 dumps terrible dialog and laughable angst at you pretty much the whole way though the game. I guess that it really comes down to how much you hate Sonic 06's plot, but that leaves one question: "Can you solve my maze?"

I was very bipolar on that plot. Sonic's story was like persistent tugs on my gag reflex and Silver's story was potentially okay but ruined by unnecessary filler characters. But Shadow was a drastic improvement from his shallow, angsty self in his own title and Heroes, not to mention the narrative through his most of his story was actually quite fantastic. But whatever the case, the cutscenes were skippable anyway last I checked.