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Thanks very much for the contributions, Arcade Child!

 

EDIT: Slightly off topic...

 

Classic Sonic fans, see if the opening of this reminds you of anything:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwxxjItHShM

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Thank you!

Expanding on the loop from Haunted Ship; the Miami bass style track I was thinking of is Bass Can You Hear Me by Beat Dominator, and is currently the cleanest version of the loop I've heard so far, with only a few tam hits backing it initially.

Again, this doesn't prove Mariko Nanba sampled this tune directly; all it proves is that it's a popular loop that's been sampled by a few artists. That said, if it isn't out on a random Sample CD somewhere and Nanba DID sample it from a song directly, it's more then likely sampled from Bass Can You Hear Me than Techno Slam. I'm not the first to discover this use of the loop though; I actually found out about this one from a user on Sonic Retro that discovered it first. I can't recall the username, but I'll edit it in to the post once I remember/find them.

Also, the violin sample that serves as the hook on the Concept Of Love remix from Ollie King also appears like it could be be from a sample CD, as I think it appears (the first half of it + another sample, at any rate) in Ouryuu/Yellow Stream, composed by Manabu Namiki, from DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou;

(it comes in sooner, but it's first clearly heard in full around 0:12 seconds)

The above tune is a chiptune pushed out by the ICS2115 chip, so it's heavily downsampled and compressed, but so far as I can tell it's the same sample, or one very, very similar to it.

BONUS: This isn't exactly discovering anything new and is slightly off topic, but I've always found it a fairly hilarious coincidence that Hideki Naganuma and SNK's in house band back in the day, Shinsekai Gakkyoku Zatsugidan, we're using some of the same Sampke CD's. It also goes to show just how common the practice of using them is amongst musicians. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course~

(comes in at roughly 0:46 seconds)

(comes in at roughly 0:13 seconds)

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Arcade Child, those Wrapped in Black and Haunted Ship sample finds are beautiful! It's strange, I've personally never heard that voice as "Casino Royale" in my life... but they're definitely very interesting finds! I'll try and track down the pack for myself and see if there's any other goodies in there later today... if you don't provide a download, anyway.

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Unfortunately, I don't have any downloads of the sample CD myself; I've only found that synthmania page with the two files on it. But then, I'm not much of a torrent man; you might be able to find a download if you look in the right place, though. I am happy to have been of assistance, all the same, though! As I said, I love sample sourcing/researching myself. :) God knows I can relate to the frustrations, though; your trial with the gambling banter from Funky Dealer is fairly comparable to my struggle on sourcing the Lyrical Paragraph rap in all it's variations. I probably spent a total of about two or three years if on/off work trying to source those damn vocals.

Also, f it's any consolation, I had no idea that voice from Haunted Ship was saying "Casino Royale" either until stumbling on the sample by accident; I originally assumed the voice was saying "voyage" instead of "royale".

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Unfortunately, I don't have any downloads of the sample CD myself; I've only found that synthmania page with the two files on it. But then, I'm not much of a torrent man; you might be able to find a download if you look in the right place, though.

 

No worries about that, I think I've found a download link that works. I'll try it for definite when I get home tonight.

 

 

God knows I can relate to the frustrations, though; your trial with the gambling banter from Funky Dealer is fairly comparable to my struggle on sourcing the Lyrical Paragraph rap in all it's variations. I probably spent a total of about two or three years if on/off work trying to source those damn vocals.

 

I used to actually think Funky Dealer's vocals came from RAPsody as well, which is why I went as far as to purchase that pack and come across that rap and several other things... searches are a long story sometimes.

 

EDIT: Nnnnope, that seems to be a Usenet thing. There's a few websites that still sell the sample pack though, so if that's necessary, hmmm...

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Guys I think I just hit something.

 

Okay, listen to the bassline in Get Edgy from Sonic Rush.

 

 

Now listen to this.

 

 

Sounds like the very same guitar riff. Now, I dunno, if both songs sample the same thing, or Naganuma took the riff directly from Get Down, but this has to be the same sample.

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It's not quite the same riff, but it does sound like the actual distorted bass/guitar sample is pretty damn close, if not identical. Sounds like it could be a distorted bass/guitar synth patch of some kind, as there's a bit of what sounds like cutoff tweaking of the sample in both tunes, but especially in Get Down.

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To be honest, everyone, I think by now it is very plausible to lay this down in stone:

 

SEGA does never sample from other songs, TV, or anything outside of the composers' own voices (eg: Naganuma with the "OOWAP" in Fly Like a Butterfly and the "WHOA WHOA" in Too Fast, along with Hataya recording himself squealing for Quartz Quadrant Bad Future JP as the two both confirmed themselves, and no, the latter is not "yo y'all hear this thing", it's a different scream), or packs that are provided to them by SEGA to use.

 

If this wasn't the case, I think we'd frankly have found a lot less from sample packs than we have by now.

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Actually, yeah, you're right; the distorted bass/guitar itself in Get Down is pretty raw and the sound stays the same, but there's another guitar-like patch that plays over it occasionally with some cutoff tweaking, by the sounds of it.

Either way, it's a fair cop to say the bass guitar sounds could possibly be from the same source for both songs- likely a sample CD/pack or a synth patch- cus they do sound fairly similar to me. So it's a damn good find all the same. I'm surprised I didn't notice the similarity between the two sounds before.

I don't doubt some game musicians do rip some of their sounds, very rarely, from sources besides sample CDs and the like (an example would be one of Nobuyoshi Sano's old tunes, which gets it's title from and is built around a sample of the old Mac startup sound- Mac'n The Jungle, it's called) but a majority of the sounds, hooks, breaks and SFX that cross over between different games from different companies are most likely from sources such as sample CDs, synthesisers and so on. That's pretty much a given, considering how tight copyright laws are with that sort of thing.

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Listening to Get Down, I heard that Altitude Limit similarity right away and I do think both stem from the same origin and are either a synth patch or a part of a sample pack too. It's still a pretty nice find to note all the same and I'll definitely keep it in mind...

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Is it just me, or does 0:06 of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhMwBmEw7Y

 

Sound like 0:07 of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfmtcuhX2w

 

Probably not a direct sample, but a similarity nonetheless.

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Nope, that isn't the same. I have the exact hit that part of Let Mom Sleep samples and I think the Sailboat theme just follows a similar progression but with a different patch/sample/whatever. Ohtani did take a lot of inspiration from Naganuma's work for Rush Adventure but to my knowledge didn't sample any of the exact same content, the "OOOH" and "FEELIN' HOT HOT HOT" from Skip to my Loops aside for the boss and windmill village theme respectively. (And apparently he took something used in Wrapped in Black for Big Swell, but I don't hear it, personally...)

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(And apparently he took something used in Wrapped in Black for Big Swell, but I don't hear it, personally...)

 

That would be the "Snow Village Laine" sample that "Wrapped in Black" used.

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That would be the "Snow Village Laine" sample that "Wrapped in Black" used.

 

That would be the Nordic Keyed Fiddle 01 sample from Garageband Loops. All three songs sampled that and Naganuma's use of it in Wrapped in Black had no relation to the song in Grandia at all.

 

Also, another interesting find today! I was looking through the RAPsody pack by Masterbits again, then in the 27th track, Musical Names, the 12th sample in it to be exact, I came across this little beauty...

 

https://app.box.com/s/sdvn3gmcqudimsw7u0xh

 

Combining it with the "LET THE BASS GO" sample from Datafiles vol 2, I ended up with the "SLAP BASS GO" from Sneakman!

 

https://app.box.com/s/1go7wypa8ofyulyvr8i2

 

Really interesting case, not unlike what happened in That's Enough ("ya better watch that" being mashed with "the funky rhythm comin' atcha") and Concept of Love ("what is love" being mashed with "free boy, free girl, free love").

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...I spat out my drink at this one.

 

So, there's this one other track in RAPsody25 Naughty Nz, that I've never listened to fully because of its absurd length of 2 minutes and 30 seconds... and what do I hear about two minutes in?

 

https://app.box.com/s/07ckf0dcgtvnxyj7ymwu

 

Mix it with the "funky rhythm comin' atcha" sample I found earlier in this topic, and...

 

https://app.box.com/s/9mhbqu0az1da6oqfe8eg

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That does sound more like what Naganuma and Ohtani used, although I think the sample's origin lies within Grandia, as the game was released about five years prior to the initial announcement of GarageBand.

 

I think that's a stretch, as they would've had to isolate all other instruments to get the violin alone.

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I think that's a stretch, as they would've had to isolate all other instruments to get the violin alone.

 

You mean Naganuma and Ohtani or the GarageBand folks? If it's the latter, I really can't think of anything, besides filtering it down to just the fiddle. Either that, or the origin is an older sample pack.

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It's most likely nothing more than similar chords when it boils down to that fiddle. That fiddle continues throughout the entirety of Snow Town Ranyu in Grandia and creates a bunch of melodies that the Garageband loop doesn't. I think it's honestly down to coincidence.

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By the way, I've been curious about the various vocal samples in "Too Fast" from Ollie King. I know Naganuma used his own voice for one sample, but it's the rest that confound me, particularly what the hell they're even saying.

 

EDIT: I want to do a mashup between "Too Fast" and the Pepsiman theme. That shit would be amazing.

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By the way, I've been curious about the various vocal samples in "Too Fast" from Ollie King. I know Naganuma used his own voice for one sample, but it's the rest that confound me, particularly what the hell they're even saying.

 

The one Naganuma used his own voice for plays 10 seconds in and throughout, that quiet "WHOA! WHOA!" you hear sometimes.

 

Too Fast is actually a heavily interesting song to me, due to (as of right now) being the only one of Naganuma's works where I don't have a single sample from it.

 

I hear the sample that debuts 30 seconds in as "Yo, you're cryin' now", the sample that debuts 40 seconds in "A different kinda speech-kinda speech-speech-kinda speech", the one 47 seconds in as "EVERYTHING YOU CAN", and finally...

 

57 seconds in, there's a sample that is, undoubtedly, shouting "I AM FREE!"

 

Now, I've always thought I knew the origins to that last one, like it was a film or something, but... all my searches have proven fruitless. It's frustrating, because I recognize it so barely to this day...

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