SEGA sample origin discovery thread "Finding the DNA of SEGA's music since summer of 2013!"

[ThunderShark]

Those guitar samples actually sound a hell of a lot like the ones used in Sonic Battle. It might be a good idea to look into that sample pack a bit further.

[Dizcrybe]

I just remembered; we still haven't determined the true origin of the bassline in Get Edgy.

 

 

I still say it's from here:

 

[lemon_clock]

Ah, I didn't know that there was a server crash but it looks like my previous post was wiped along with my account (I only made one contribution to this forum and it was on this topic, so no huge loss considering)

 

My previous post pointed out that the Ollie King remix of Teknopathetic included a guitar sample that could also be heard very clearly in Mike Relm's Hot To Trot, and knowing that the frantic violin sample that plays over the guitars at the same time are sourced from Garageband's library, the guitars could also be from Garageband but nobody really knows at this point. 

 

[expansivelovestories]

While this is not specifically a sample origin, as most of the samples have been found...

Is there already some discussion that the Sonic & Knuckles theme melody may be a tribute to Bridge Zone?

 

 

Along with Mecha Green Hill,

is it one of the first versions of later music making tributeful use of earlier music?  it does seem like there are some key similarities. 

 

[Sir Spacebar]

 

https://app.box.com/s/93v25miol84d8a7bvoejyu70vnhb3smo

[spinny]

This is an extract from a random song I found on iTunes, the name is Dawn on Earth composed by Christophe Lebled. Skip to 0:12.

 

 

0:03

 

Not an origin whatsoever, but it's interesting nonetheless to hear another song use that.

[ThunderShark]

https://app.box.com/s/93v25miol84d8a7bvoejyu70vnhb3smo

 

I feel like this one was used in Sonic CD somewhere.

[spinny]

https://app.box.com/s/ase296p7f5f0mf82ejgw77to867madzz

 

Very first case of a complete closure for an entire game, every vocal sample used in Ollie King! (aside from the WHOA WHOA from Too Fast, because... well, Naganuma's voice.)

 

I went through Ueberschall's Big Beat sample pack really quickly today and found quite a few little nice things...

 

https://app.box.com/s/2e623zoexqk3wyrolgu5ueqrenhvtapf

 

 

0:06 and throughout

 

https://app.box.com/s/gidj19ta442b6psmc150anw0hnp8ul8u

 

 

At the very end, you've gotta listen relatively closely for it

 

Aaand yeah the Too Fast vocals, all four of them, you can hear them in that top link from the 1:38 to 1:48 mark.

 

 

They play sporadically throughout the track but some of them have got quite a lot of editing, but you can tell they're the same deals. There was also some Air Gear stuff in there (namely Put 2 Much and Stop Da Pop) but this is purely a SEGA thread sooo.

[Arcade Child]

It's going back a couple of pages, but I wanted to both thank you, Spindash, for bringing my attention to just how wildly the loops from Sony's Methods Of Madness really are- and the fact that that's where they're actually from- as well as inadvertantly pointing out that it certainly seems like one of the most prolific sample packs used by VGM composers. I've heard some of those loops in everything from Devil May Cry's tracks to Sampling Masters' original material.

 

Getting back on topic, though; listening to them, I can't say I hear any similarities to any of the selected riffs and Metal Scratchin'- they sound a lot crisper and more obviously "melodic", for lack of a better term. It's entirely possible they could be and I'm just not hearing it, though.

[spinny]

https://app.box.com/s/nr8u0yirez48gwyaif9u6ddjziwv5f3o

 

Well, I found this loop in Big Beat and it's pretty undoubtable it was used in Get Edgy, I made a recreation of it even. To recognize it in the song though you may need to listen to the individual channels on the MIDI inside the rom.

 

Also went through more of the Hollywood Edge sfx libraries and came across this in Premiere Edition 23.

 

https://app.box.com/s/cl3tri92xn9cpn1w8aesbiivfwjurf2l

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6mm3lX8nU

 

I don't know exactly how much of the sample is actually used at all in the song yet but as a whole we have a new record for longest sample Naganuma has used in a track, beating out the previous record of the first rap used in Let it Go.

[Kurachi]

The following message is something that I typed about a month ago, prior to SSMB's little hiccup. I'm sorry if any of these have been discovered and reported already. 

 

"This is the sample that Tomoya and Hideki used. https://app.box.com/s/nj3z4jqmnll74n0woymd1haj3xjbtb81(CHORDS 3) From Soundscan Brazil Bossa.  These guitars appear in the losing theme in Jet Set Radio Future and at the end of Like It Like This Like That https://app.box.com/s/dcyues93ctfm2hnjmvwijd1gzxwiob3f (Pulp Guitars) They appear from Ueberschall Big Beat https://app.box.com/s/1znjejz8xj33xp9yz3ffzkp1o18xgef7 (01gtd110_BB x mans return_G) and as do those. https://app.box.com/s/kikinmxyywqsatb5vdk1grwdzec3zkfh (05bse120_BB black bear stance_g) And as does this. There's one more. I found the arp that appears in the win theme, but I can't remember the name of the loop and didn't upload it either. You wouldn't believe what other sample hunters have found though."

[Sir Spacebar]

In 1:56, there's a small vinyl scratch break. I have my reasons to believe that this is the Vinyl Scratch 01 sample found in Apple's Garageband preset loops.

I have recreated it and compared it to the one found in the track, and I think it's the same sample.

[spinny]

https://app.box.com/s/3dfo4wub8hfvwdmt3jcxjxbyhjc2zdyk

 

 

first heard at 1:08. Comes from the Files of Techno sample pack from e-Lab and can be heard in shitloads of other video game music from the PS1 ~ Dreamcast era as well as a lot of 90s trance music.

 

https://app.box.com/s/aze22gqbafsardf58ofk6srjh7eiglkk

 

 

first heard at 0:38. Comes from the similarly named Files of Hip-Hop sample pack also by e-Lab.

[spinny]

I don't know if this fits this thread, but Native Instruments infamous Massive VST holds a preset called "Parts" that under the chord progression of  D5-F#4-G#4 is one of the Wisp jingles.

 

Part of the unused Hover jingle in particular it seems.

 

https://app.box.com/s/qtem82acaxtxlrum7a6xwnq2xkp4ydu7

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4b3EXpgJx0

 

(thanks to Spacebar for checking this out for me since I actually don't have Massive!)

[ThunderShark]

I keep forgetting to post this, so now's the time.

 

I have reason to believe that at least two previous songs in the Sonic series had their percussion tracks reused in Sonic Generations.

 

 

The percussion there was altered slightly and used here:

 

 

This next one is a bit more obvious and perhaps more well-justified.

 

 

This percussion track was essentially copypasta'd into another track from Sonic Generations, this time the 3DS version.

 

 

The reason I say this is "more well-justified" is because Sonic Generations on 3DS seemed a bit rushed soundtrack-wise, given that Tropical Resort doesn't have a Classic remix and it sounds as though Water Palace's Classic remix was relocated to the Modern stage. I don't know what Jun Senoue's excuse is for the Death Egg Robot percussion.

[ThunderShark]

Man, it's so weird listening to Fatboy Slim's music after participating in this thread for so long. I mean, 

alone has at least five samples that Naganuma has used at one point or another.

[spinny]

So I listened to the Free Riders soundtrack for the first time in forever and noticed a little thing thanks to me living on Beatmania music lately...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMhFNrGCmM4

 

0:44

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZmtjdyh1ok

 

Pretty much right from the beginning

 

I know someone once said something about this sample being from some 70s song but I beg to differ, the tone and voice as a whole aren't even slightly similar to each other.

[Sir Spacebar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhMwBmEw7Y

From 0:07 and onwards, the drumline that you can faintly hear in the background.

 

Same sample as 638_COOK from Skip to my Loops

[spinny]

https://app.box.com/s/mfq86d9a5dljxk8csaw1jtngj84906vd

https://app.box.com/s/iogo61dp97aasx4bclqbjuox25gywj0m

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUbRCpPedc

 

0:19 for clearest example of 693_COOK, 1:05 for 738

 

https://app.box.com/s/gojb3kjdbsvs2rrm99npl6o7evekvrni

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRW-vGIF0lw

 

0:40, the honks are impossible to not notice but I feel like the rest of the loop was used too.

 

EDIT: Found this a few days ago but don't know why I haven't mentioned it yet. Used throughout Mama Frog, comes from Best Service Diamond Vocals.

[spinny]

https://app.box.com/s/9x160s0bj6a7jppbyniz9t3ceieh018r

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNygDghZAI

 

0:15. I'm surprised I never noticed this before! 

 

I found this in the Garageband loops, but Heroes' first release was December 30, 2003. Garageband was first announced in January of 2004 and released a couple months later.

 

My belief now is that SEGA never sampled the Garageband loops in the first place, but rather the different sample packs Apple released before, that eventually came together with bits and pieces to form the preset Garageband loops. This could also explain how Ollie King's remix of Teknopathetic has that one orchestra strings loop despite releasing in 2003 (according to most sites and I've heard some claims that the soundtrack CD inlays list the copyrights as 2003, despite the usual belief of OK's release being 2004).

[Sir Spacebar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8RVx5DJXc

0:15

416_COOK (Skip to My Loops)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3oZhEL2F_s

0:08

390_COOK (Skip to My Loops)

(I also have a feeling the "AHHH" was used in Savannah Citadel Day)

[digirexx]

The sample playing from the start of Let Mom Sleep pops up on 0:12 Westopolis sped up, maybe from Garageband? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3anK6yGG-E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E7axaAZUno

[Stritix]

Pretty interesting. A lot of this information will be pretty useful for me since I work on remixes.

[Dr Devil]

"Jj" from Atsumare! Guruguru Onsen features the "everybody reach to the top" vocals also in "Funk To The Top". Naganuma may have been aware of these vocals previously being used in this track, as he composed for that game as well.

https://app.box.com/s/uwly079mtd9mrt6u1ssbix83xbjmv6lw

Found this whilst looking through Best Service: Voice Spectral. Appeared in "Theme of Girl" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sziXaaqWH4 0:14) from the same game.

 

[ThunderShark]

As it turns out, the origin of the title vocals for "Wrapped in Black" is actually "Sell Your Soul" by The Watts Prophets, circa 1971. The line is actually "Rappin' black," not "Wrapped in black." Forgot which sample pack we originally thought this was from, but I'd like to know so I can update my Sonic samples document.