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[Blitz 'n Burst]

Don't get your hopes up, he's probably just gonna snark about how they totally saw it coming and he wasn't going to fool anybody.

[Vertekins]

Don't get your hopes up, he's probably just gonna snark about how they totally saw it coming and he wasn't going to fool anybody.

 

I don't try to get my hopes up for any of the writing these days.

 

I learned from watching Generations' intro before release and then getting the game only to find how empty it all was :|

[Narukami07]

But SLW's already destroys Generation's intro by far though.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Narukami07

[Kuzu]

I actually hope for both situations; it'd be stupid for Sonic to completely trust Eggman, but that doesn't mean they can't make the betrayal satisfying.

We know Eggman is gonna backstab them, it's how he does it which matters. And if Sonic does not lampshade that incredibly obvious plot point, I will be disappointed to no end.

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

Judging by those cutscenes, Eggman's gone to quite the measures to make the Deadly Six his bitches.

Looks like Zavok wasn't exaggerating about their "abuse and enslavement". Have to give Eggman props for keeping a competent and well-held leash on his monsters this time.

[Dr. Mechano]

Looks like Zavok wasn't exaggerating about their "abuse and enslavement". Have to give Eggman props for keeping a competent and well-held leash on his monsters this time.

 

I like that Eggman isn't just cruel for cruelty's sake, too. He uses the conch to control them, but doesn't appear to get any particular enjoyment out of causing the Zeti pain; It's a means to an end. He's even willing to use positive reinforcement along with his usual threats, as seen with offering Zommom a sandwich as a reward.

 

It's rather Machiavellian of him, choosing to control his minions pragmatically - using positive and negative reinforcement - to more effectively get what he wants. 

[kimplix]

Zavok had the one long video with the gameplay (yes the cutscenes were in there too, but you had to jump to the point to watch em), me, I upload the 3 cutscenes separate (Now with english Annotations) (Third Cutscene won't Embed, so It's just showing as a link at my view) 

 

Cutscene #1 More Animals or thy Conch Shell!

 

Cutscene #2: Do the job and get a free sandwich

 

Cutscene #3: The power of green juice

Edited October 14, 2013 by Red

[Dr. Crusher]

So I found out about a certain vaguely Death Egg Robot-shaped spoiler not too long ago. Did I like what I saw?

 

What do you think? Of course I liked what I saw. I was ecstatic. Delighted. Relieved. Proper bo' and all that. (The following is in spoilers because it's pretty much just me gushing and isn't really important and/or worth your time.)

 

Okay, so maybe Robotnik betraying Sonic and getting the high ground in the end might have been obvious to literally everyone else but me (I've even seen a few comments around the web lambasting the whole routine... bah, humbug), but you have to understand that, not unlike certain other topics for certain other folk, Robotnik's antagonist wellbeing is very,

very, very serious business for me. Now this might sound merely like your typical Eggman fanboyism, and... well, yeah, that's basically what it is, however, it's also due to - wait for it - paranoia. You know, like it usually is for me.

 

It wasn't just two or three bad years in which he kept getting the shaft. It was an entire decade. Excluding the really minor and/or obscure titles, from 1998 to 2009, only four games had him taking the endboss role. Said four games were all handhelds, and the latter two of them didn't even have him on his lonesome. As such, that decade or so has made me... a little bitter. So as a result, I've subconsciously developed a sort of pre-coping mechanism, and that is to always assume, no matter what the game is or what the story is about, that something or someone else will be the final boss. Then, when it's revealed that it is indeed Robotnik, I can breathe a sigh of relief and do the Crash Dance simultaneously. I even did it with Colours, and there weren't even any other villains in that one (the Nega-Mother Wisp in the DS version doesn't really count, for obvious reasons).

 

In fact, when I first saw the Death Egg Emperor dude in Lava Mountain, I was still paranoid. "Wait, the plot involves the Deadly Six's ability to hijack Robotnik's robots. For all we know, that could be Zavok controlling that thing, or all six of them, like an evil Megazord or something..." But then I saw that other image that clearly shows Robotnik in the cockpit, and all was well. Those few months of worrying about his role went completely out the window, and I could at last be content, satisfied that I got my wish for the game to essentially boil down to what I like to refer to as a Mega Man 3/Crash Bandicoot 2 plot.

 

It doesn't help that, after the Time Eater deal, I was also thinking "Nah, I won't possibly be pleasantly surprised a second time, it can't happen two times in a row." When I saw the... er, Death Egg Robot 2.0 (I'll just call it that for now, despite the non-indicative name since it's not actually on board a Death Egg), it was like I was going through the blissful Time Eater happiness from late 2011 all over again.

 

Of course, that's not to discredit the Deadly Six, I still love those guys. And I was still absolutely loving the look of Lost World regardless. (And no, I'm not blindly "white-knighting", I genuinely have little-to-no problems with it, and it's not like I'm forcing anyone else to agree with me or anything.) Robotnik being the game's final arse to kick is simply the icing on the oddly hexagonal cake.

 

Also, I understand that the Death Egg Robot 2.0's design might come off as "simplistic" to some, and I can understand that. But in all honesty, I'm really liking the look. After having so many final bosses with complex, eldritch-worthy designs, having a simple Robotnik-shaped robot again is ironically refreshing. Also, because this is the first main Sonic game after Generations, I've always looked at this game as "combining" Classic and Modern together into one delicious package, so having the game apparently end on what can be summed up as a "Modern Death Egg Robot"... I don't know, maybe I look into things too much, but I can't help but see a beautiful symbolism to that.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Dr. Crusher

[Vertekins]

Zavok had the one long video with the gameplay (yes the cutscenes were in there too, but you had to jump to the point to watch em), me, I upload the 3 cutscenes separate (Now with english Annotations) (Third Cutscene won't Embed, so It's just showing as a link at my view) 

 

Cutscene #1 More Animals or thy Conch Shell!

 

Eggman seems pretty cruel to me, holding the poor Pocky up by it's ears, throwing it with no real indication that he knows that Orbot is behind him ready to catch it and then punishing the Zeti for merely bringing back 'low quality' critters. It makes their rebellion all the more convincing and justified.

 

Also LOL at the Pocky kicking Orbot with it's legs XD

[Dr. Mechano]

Aye, Dr. Crusher. It is very nice to see Eggman take main-villain status for three games in a row so far (four counting Sonic 4: Episode 2, I suppose).

 

At this point, I think Eggman has redeemed himself as a credible archenemy and main antagonist for the series. And if the writers know what they're doing, nothing - not even the occasional non-Eggman villain - should be able to shake that. As long as they don't give us another decade-long drought of Eggman's final boss status in the 3D games, I'm good.

[Dr. Crusher]

Oh yeah, the cutscenes. Loving those too. An intro that involves dropping a capsule in the sky, and now holding little bunnies by the ears while sucking up worlds and sort of forcing the Deadly Six into slavery? That's the kind of Eggman-specific bastardry I like to see, ho ho.

 

Indeed, after looking back at the days of Robotnik fleeing when Mephiles came out of the Scepter of Darkness, it was pretty nice to see him not react at all to Zavok coming right up in his face.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Dr. Crusher

[SchemingMinor]

Well to make this Eggman message trifecta complete, I enjoy having Eggman as the final boss around again. Despite not being able to get this game when it comes out (because I don't have a Wii U as of yet) I am glad to see at least one game this year treat Eggman with dignity and respect (I'm looking at you Mario and Sonic at the Sochi Games. I'm really looking at you hard and glaring through your body with the hatred with a thousand suns.)

 

So, I am now wondering what shenanigans that Eggman will do to harass the dear, sweet, blue hedgehog when they have to team up,

 

BTW, the detail that they have put into this is fantastic.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Scheming Minor

[Dr. Mechano]

On the subject of the teamup... What I really like is that - if the desert world is anything to go by - each act ends with its own cutscene. While they're short, that gives potential for lots of goofing around between Eggman and Sonic during their truce.

 

Eggman and Sonic usually only team up when the world's about to end and there's a final boss to kill; i.e., when they're forced by the plot to be deadly serious about their situation. Aside from Chronicles, we never really get to see Eggman and Sonic work together in a lower-key, less apocalyptic situation. This will be the chance for some interaction between the two like we've never seen before, and if done well, could give us some of the most memorable moments in the franchise. With less than a week to go until the game's European release (I'm in the U.S., but I expect cutscenes to leak before I get a chance to play the game), I'm sure we'll see soon... I'm definitely hyped!

Edited October 14, 2013 by Dr. Mechano

[Kuzu]

Zavok had the one long video with the gameplay (yes the cutscenes were in there too, but you had to jump to the point to watch em), me, I upload the 3 cutscenes separate (Now with english Annotations) (Third Cutscene won't Embed, so It's just showing as a link at my view) 

 

Cutscene #1 More Animals or thy Conch Shell!

 

Cutscene #2: Do the job and get a free sandwich

 

Cutscene #3: The power of green juice

 

 

Wow, Eggman's a dick, like a real big dick. It almost makes the Deadly Six seem justified in their vendetta. Its gonna be real disconcerting if they end up getting the short end of the stick in this game.

[Dejimon11]

I like that Eggman isn't just cruel for cruelty's sake, too. He uses the conch to control them, but doesn't appear to get any particular enjoyment out of causing the Zeti pain; It's a means to an end. He's even willing to use positive reinforcement along with his usual threats, as seen with offering Zommom a sandwich as a reward.   It's rather Machiavellian of him, choosing to control his minions pragmatically - using positive and negative reinforcement - to more effectively get what he wants.

Eggman would call his method discipline

[Sushi]

 

Street Date of Sonic Lost World for BOTH Wii U and 3DS Version are broken in Austria. Pls don't hit me.

 

Aanyways, how about the Game? Definitively not broken. At all. Fun, Fast, Fluid.

 

And Damn, all the first Acts of each Zone (except Windy Hill 1) are pretty long, as you can see on my Speedrun on Desert Zone Act 1... Even if I'm at full speed! For those who thought Sonic is too slow in this game. Think again. You just need to use his abilities wisely

 

The Game is, just like I said, pretty fun, fast and fluid, this game offers TONS of Platforming. As the little snippet of Tropical Coast Zone 2 implies.

 

And I love this game so far. Loved the Boost-Triology, but I am glad they moved on. Results are pretty nice so far, Sonic Team.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Sushi

[Blue Wisp]

How far are you in the game?

And nice speedrun of DR1 by the way. I still absolutely LOVE that song <3

[Bouldergeist]

Wait how come Austria get it early, I don't get street dates sometimes.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Time Eater

[Narukami07]

What do you think of the Wisp controls in the game? (Sorry i know you guys talked about it before but still) And how are the bosses in Lost World??

 

EDIT: Plus are you able to turn motion controls upon Wisps off as well?

Edited October 14, 2013 by Narukami07

[C4k3]

Holy shit, speedrunning looks fun as fuck.

 

Dat Spin Dash abuse.

[Doctor MK]

Allow me to say what we're all thinking...

 

TELL US EVERYTHING, SUSHI

 

EVERYTHING

[spinny]

Really liking how parkour and the Spindash have to be used incredibly effectively to get good speedruns.

[-Ace-]

DAT Applejuice at the end of the video, Tropical Coast looks freaking sweet

[Wraith]

Glad to know the game plays well.

 

How's the story and soundtrack?

[Narukami07]

The end of the video, especially with Zik echo'ing his anticipation for Sonic was the icing in the cake.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Narukami07