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3 minutes ago, Tarnish said:

I will forever argue that reaching a wider audience at the expense of losing the identity and uniqueness of the very thing you're a fan of is not exactly what you want as a fan.

I'll add to this by saying, that editing what is already one of the most iconic Character designs of the late 20th and early 21st centuries with some aggressively hideous homunculus in order to pointlessly shoehorn it into a "realistic setting" is not actually "marketable to a wider audience". We saw that with Sonic Boom already. Sonic's design - even considering the shift from classic to Dreamcast designs -  is about as widely marketable as its ever going to get.

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22 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Are we seriously comparing that to sonic? You are optimistic, i'll tell you that.

Those aren't risky ventures, that doesn't mean sonic isn't being sent to die.

 

I agree with Shadowlax. Sonic is kind of being sent to die here and I dont think SEGA has any clue about it at all.

I am now convinced that SEGA itself has become the problem. They allowed THIS to happen. 

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1 minute ago, Mayor D said:

I just showed it to my mum and she actually screamed and said "What have they done!?"

I fucking wish I'd filmed it!

My sympathies are with you. I'm sure filming people's reactions will be a YouTube meme within the next few weeks. 

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1 minute ago, UpCDownCLeftCRightC said:

I am now convinced that SEGA itself has become the problem. They allowed THIS to happen. 

I mean... they didn't like what they did to Sonic... but hey? at least the non-silhouette design could be better? right?.... 

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19 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

And now we've moved on the stage of calling the movie terrible because Sonic doesn't look like Mickey Mouse's brother in law.

 

I can't wait for this movie to spawn a franchise for the character. This design is actually marketable to a wider audience. Sonic actually looks like he can take a punch. Gone are the noodle limbs. And this looks wayyy better than the fan film 

What on earth are you talking about marketable to a wider audience? Have you no awareness of the franchise history at all? Sonic was once more popular than mario and Mickey mouse in both the US and Europe. Sonic's design was the one thing that maintained his appeal throughout all the mistakes of his games. It did not need any help whatsoever.

This is actually a disaster.

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Well... to be fair, this design makes a little bit more sense in terms of Sonic's ability. Especially his feet. No creature on earth can run really fast with such big feet Sonic and his pals have in the games. 

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24 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

I can't wait for this movie to spawn a franchise for the character. This design is actually marketable to a wider audience. Sonic actually looks like he can take a punch. Gone are the noodle limbs. And this looks wayyy better than the fan film 

Since when does Sonic need to look like he can take a punch?

I don't remember that happening in Sonic 1?

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1 minute ago, UpCDownCLeftCRightC said:

I agree with Shadowlax. Sonic is kind of being sent to die here and I dont think SEGA has any clue about it at all.

I am now convinced that SEGA itself has become the problem. They allowed THIS to happen. 

SEGA was always the problem. Short-sighted as fuck. The insane production schedule of the PS2/GCN/XB era that culminated in a development environment so toxic that the Franchise's founding fathers all saw fit to leave to regain their spark and love for video game development. Now its the bizarre and pointless attempt at segmenting the franchise; chopping it up into exceedingly disparate pieces while simultaneously clinging to nostalgia of past greatness. And of course, allowing a Live-action movie to be made? Live-Action? 

That too after we got Night of the Werehog; a lovingly crafted animation which I'm sure left a few people clamouring for a Pixar style animated adventure. But instead of using their own Animation studio to pursue this, they ship it off to fucking Hollywood and allow a goddamn Live-action movie to be made?

I just don't understand the thought process. Is it just money? Is there nobody thinking about what would happen when the Cash Cow has been milked to death?

 

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Just going back to the UK release date. Yes December can be as valid a month as any other for a film release but usually studios will be aiming for the first 2 or so weeks to rake in on the Christmas rush with people heading to the cinema whilst they get the Christmas shopping in. December 25 up till New year are very quiet times here in the UK, especially when it comes to films.

The only recent exception I can think of is The Greatest Showman which released Boxing Day last year in the UK. That film had quite a slow start but blew up in popularity thanks to its quality to the point where there's been very few periods this year where it hasn't been showing somewhere here in Glasgow and likely throughout the country.

Even the best Sonic movie isn't going to be the phenomenon TGS turned into. It'll rake in some money from families who go between Christmas and the kids going back to school but I'll bet (still need to check what's coming) that this is gonna be buried by the time the January films come out. 

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3 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

I tried to warn you guys for months. I tried to get you prepared for the fact that this movie is going to be it's OWN thing. And Sonic as he appears in the games looks like Snoopy's cousin. That was never going to work for a movie like this.

And this is exactly why live-action/CG hybrid was and always is an awful idea when it comes to cartoony characters. If you put the exact same design they use in cartoon/games/other animated media into a live-action movie, you get Space Jam - the characters look out of place because they're just drawn characters. If you try to make character "like how they'd look like in real life", you get such uncanny abominations as this that it makes the character look out of place even more than no design change at all. Of course the plain design from games wouldn't work, but neither does this.

And I know Detective Pikachu's designs are being liked for what they are, but that's mostly because it actually somewhat managed to strike the balance between the design from games and the "realistic setting" (even if I still don't like how they look). This doesn't strike this balance at all in my eyes outside of the surface level stuff, like quills

And this time you can't get away with "well people like it!". Twitter, this forum, a lot of Discord servers, discussion boards, any other social media website - I've only seen a really  small amount of people actually say "it's a good design". One of those being a huge Penders apologist that called SEGA and talked with them for 30 minutes for nothing other than to say "Fire Ian Flynn for ruining comics!!!!" or whatever. The rest as been either pure disappointment from people or another reason to think that this franchise is just a laughing stock of the whole gaming industry.

I guess the only thing left is for Jim Carrey to somehow carry (ha) this thing, cuz this doesn't bode well. At all.

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1 minute ago, Scar said:

SEGA was always the problem. Short-sighted as fuck. The insane production schedule of the PS2/GCN/XB era that culminated in a development environment so toxic that the Franchise's founding fathers all saw fit to leave to regain their spark and love for video game development. Now its the bizarre and pointless attempt at segmenting the franchise; chopping it up into exceedingly disparate pieces while simultaneously clinging to nostalgia of past greatness. And of course, allowing a Live-action movie to be made? Live-Action? 

That too after we got Night of the Werehog; a lovingly crafted animation which I'm sure left a few people clamouring for a Pixar style animated adventure. But instead of using their own Animation studio to pursue this, they ship it off to fucking Hollywood and allow a goddamn Live-action movie to be made?

I just don't understand the thought process. Is it just money? Is there nobody thinking about what would happen when the Cash Cow has been milked to death?

 

I know we in are in " panic mode"

But their decision to make separate products for different fanbases is actually a good idea. Trying to please too many fanbases with one product is usually why a lot of their bad products ... are bad.

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1 minute ago, UpCDownCLeftCRightC said:

What on earth are you talking about marketable to a wider audience? Have you no awareness of the franchise history at all? Sonic was once more popular than mario and Mickey mouse in both the US and Europe. Sonic's design was the one thing that maintained his appeal throughout all the mistakes of his games. It did not need any help whatsoever.

This is actually a disaster.

Sonic was not ever more popular than Mickey Mouse. Let's not overextend ourselves here. Look, this Is (most likely) going to be a PG-13 action movie. Cartoon Hedgehogs do not fit in any sort of environment where the movie's trying to have any semblance of seriousness. The MAJORITY of people would have laughed a cartoon Sonic out of theaters. That's not marketable as an action BLOCKBUSTER. Maybe for a G-Rated Alvin but not for this.

 

Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man, Superman, Batman all had to be changed a little bit for their movies, Sonic gets anatomically correct limbs and a athletic body that ACTUALLY looks like something of a semblance to a runner's build and everybody loses their minds.

 

Sonic fans can't accept change. Oh, and for all of the people saying "I showed my Grandma/Dad the design and they HTAED IT see??? Nobody likes it!!" I showed three of my colleagues and they think he looks cool. Two of them don't see what the big deal is about the design. The casual fan does not care if Sonic has noodle arms and plastic fur. 

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Man...they couldn't even pretend to be good, straight up just fucked right out the gate. Never had any hope for this movie since day one so I can only laugh at how garbage that Sonic looks. Will be good for a few laughs since apparently Sega want us to laugh at their mascot at this point 

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Just now, PeterPancake said:

Sonic was not ever more popular than Mickey Mouse. Let's not overextend ourselves here. 

In the 90s for a time, it is factual that sonic was more recognizable than Mickey mouse and mario in the western world. This was acknowledged by marketers at the time. I can find a link for you, or you can do it yourself.

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7 minutes ago, Mayor D said:

Since when does Sonic need to look like he can take a punch?

I don't remember that happening in Sonic 1?

...actually want to see they beat the shit out of this Sonic. 

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17 minutes ago, Marcello said:

Detective Pikachu knocked that out of the park. Though, that design is also much better and truer to the games than what I can see here.

I'm not the biggest Pokemon fan, but that design is literally how I always seen him, just with realistic fur, no other changes.

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1 minute ago, PeterPancake said:

Sonic was not ever more popular than Mickey Mouse. Let's not overextend ourselves here. Look, this Is (most likely) going to be a PG-13 action movie. Cartoon Hedgehogs do not fit in any sort of environment where the movie's trying to have any semblance of seriousness. The MAJORITY of people would have laughed a cartoon Sonic out of theaters. That's not marketable as an action BLOCKBUSTER. Maybe for a G-Rated Alvin but not for this.

 

Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man, Superman, Batman all had to be changed a little bit for their movies, Sonic gets anatomically correct limbs and a athletic body that ACTUALLY looks like something of a semblance to a runner's build and everybody loses their minds.

 

Sonic fans can't accept change. Oh, and for all of the people saying "I showed my Grandma/Dad the design and they HTAED IT see??? Nobody likes it!!" I showed three of my colleagues and they think he looks cool. Two of them don't see what the big deal is about the design. The casual fan does not care if Sonic has noodle arms and plastic fur. 

Have you seen what Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse looks like? Or how well it's been received. That's what SEGA should've gone for. Not this.

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