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10 minutes ago, Tornado said:

Are we going to have to lock this topic again?

 

 

I'm pretty sure one of the things I asked when it was reopened was that people just ignore when the Paramount executive inevitably came back and started saying stupid shit defending the movie. You all know that nothing will be accomplished from turning this thread into wall of text arguments spanning multiple pages with someone who won't listen, so what is the goal beyond puffing up your likes and alienating others from the thread from casually talking about it?

I think that it's best we lock it until we have an actual teaser trailer out.

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Well, the admin doesn't want me engaging in this argument so i'll just say this. You can't compare Sony Pictures animation or Paramount animation to Disney or Illumination. The brands for these two sell themselves. The reality is -- an animated Sonic movie would not have the same built-in audience as Wreck it Ralph or the Incredibles. And again, the Paramount execs want a franchise that can stand shoulder to shoulder with Transformers. An animated feature is not the solution to the problem of their lack of franchises. 

 

And what I mean by "take it seriously" is that the movie being live action and aimed at an older audience gives them an aura of importance that an animated does not provide. This is why the Avengers was not animated.  This is why "animated movies" are never nominated in more than one category at the Golden Globes or the Academy Awards. The simple fact of the matter is-- live action gives any given movie more prestige and it allows them to exercise their creative juices more. If the Avengers was animated-- the action scenes and the drama would have had to have been toned wayyy down. Let's not pretend that an animated Sonic with a G-rating would mean the same thing to the Studio as a live action movie with a PG-13 and Jim Carrey in a lead, live action role. With balls the walls high-speed action, drama and a killer badass score by Junkie XL

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2 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Well, the admin doesn't want me engaging in this argument so i'll just say this. You can't compare Sony Pictures animation or Paramount animation to Disney or Illumination. The brands for these two sell themselves. The reality is -- an animated Sonic movie would not have the same built-in audience as Wreck it Ralph or the Incredibles. And again, the Paramount execs want a franchise that can stand shoulder to shoulder with Transformers. An animated feature is not the solution to the problem of their lack of franchises. 

 

And what I mean by "take it seriously" is that the movie being live action and aimed at an older audience gives them an aura of importance that an animated does not provide. This is why the Avengers was not animated.  This is why "animated movies" are never nominated in more than one category at the Golden Globes or the Academy Awards. The simple fact of the matter is-- live action gives any given movie more prestige and it allows them to exercise their creative juices more. If the Avengers was animated-- the action scenes and the drama would have had to have been toned wayyy down. Let's not pretend that an animated Sonic with a G-rating would mean the same thing to the Studio as a live action movie with a PG-13 and Jim Carrey in a lead, live action role. With balls the walls high-speed action, drama and a killer badass score by Junkie XL

You're hopeless.

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44 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Well, the admin doesn't want me engaging in this argument so i'll just say this

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If I wanted to silence you, specifically you, there is an awfully easier way to go about doing it than jumping through hoops and internal discussion with whether this thread should remain open. Irrelevant of how sincere I think you're actually being in this thread, what I actually don't want is for this thread to become page after page of dissertations from people who just can't let it go that someone is being wrong on the internet. Not only does it invalidate the entire purpose that the thread was reopened (so people could casually talk about the movie without fear of having their posts buried under walls upon walls of text), but I'm also beginning to believe that some of the responses to you are more "pretext to get you to say something so you get banned" than "attempt to debate a topic in good faith."

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2 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Lego Movie was a kids film aimed at 8 year olds. Prime example of why they didn't want it animated

Technically it was CG animated to look like a stop-motion film with actual LEGO's.

 

Anyways. Let's not continue an almost pointless discussion between the film will be good or bad and the live-action aspect vs. the entirely CG aspect. The film's live-action/CG hybrid, that's it and all there is to it. Sure I would've preferred an entirely animated Sonic Movie that looked like the games and stayed true to the designs like Ratchet & Clank did. But we're getting a live-action /CG hybrid, so I'm just hoping it turns out fine with the designs. Hopefully the trailer releases soon, so that everyone can give a solid opinion on the film.

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25 minutes ago, Tornado said:

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If I wanted to silence you, specifically you, there is an awfully easier way to go about doing it than jumping through hoops and internal discussion with whether this thread should remain open. Irrelevant of how sincere I think you're actually being in this thread, what I actually don't want is for this thread to become page after page of dissertations from people who just can't let it go that someone is being wrong on the internet. Not only does it invalidate the entire purpose that the thread was reopened (so people could casually talk about the movie without fear of having their posts buried under walls upon walls of text), but I'm also beginning to believe that some of the responses to you are more "pretext to get you to say something so you get banned" than "attempt to debate a topic in good faith."

Oh. Well, that's certainly interesting. I'm just trying to make people understand. However -- I get it, the debates are grating. 

 

Anyway, I hope we get a look at the full movie design at Toy Fair today 

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56 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Oh. Well, that's certainly interesting. I'm just trying to make people understand. However -- I get it, the debates are grating. 

 

Anyway, I hope we get a look at the full movie design at Toy Fair today 

I wouldn’t count on that, my friend. 

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2 hours ago, Jack the Shadow said:

Is anybody able to go to the Toy Fair? I just want some news of ANY kind.

You can't just go to it. You need to register for it as a member of the trade.

Like I said before. I have a pass for it, but don't have the money to go.

 

Also I doubt there is anything Sonic there that we've not seen before. Even the Sonic Mascot costume wasn't there for the character parade, and that thing has been at every fair since 2010.

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I'm ready for that trailer to come soon, no matter what, but I'm scared of how Sonic will look like. Just hope he won't looked creepy. 

6 hours ago, Jack the Shadow said:

Is anybody able to go to the Toy Fair? I just want some news of ANY kind.

Doubt it, there will be any movie merchandise there, but maybe, there will be some revealed at the NY Toy Fair next month?

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9 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Doesn't matter. Why didn't Marvel make the Avengers animated? Why didn't DC make Justice League animated? When you make a movie animated, you are limiting it's audience. That's just the cold hard truth. There are millions of adults who will not take the movie seriously because animation in the west Is always almost exclusively aimed at children. 

Sausage Party is one example of an animation movie made for adults.:

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10 minutes ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

Anyone think we might get the trailer on Hedgehog Day? I know Sega rarely do anything for it anymore but hey, might happen.

When's Hedgehog Day? Is that what Sega considers Groundhog Day? Because I've only heard of it as a Sonic Boom episode.

If that's the case then a trailer could release then. But why release a trailer then when the Super Bowl is the very next day?

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There's plenty in the next few months that could unleash the nightmare.

2 more days of London toy fair, Nuremberg toy fair next week, NY toy fair next month, the Superbowl, London Comic Con, SXSW and thats just to mid March/8 months to release.

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40 minutes ago, Blueknight V2.0 said:

When's Hedgehog Day? Is that what Sega considers Groundhog Day? Because I've only heard of it as a Sonic Boom episode.

If that's the case then a trailer could release then. But why release a trailer then when the Super Bowl is the very next day?

Hedgehog day is Groundhog day, yes. Sega used it as a platform to announce things before, such as Sonic 4 back in the day.

Honestly wouldn't know, don't think Sonic's big enough for the Super Bowl.

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Regarding the competing appeal of animated vs live-action feature films, I'd say it has to do with what each can promise and circumstances can influence how well people take them.  For superheroes, I'd say that one medium isn't necessarily better or worse than the other, but when Marvel movies started pouring out, people had already seen a lot of Spider-Man, the X-Men, and The Avengers is animated form; thus live-action depictions were a novelty.  The advent of such films didn't cause these characters to disappear from TV animation, but Into the Spider-Verse was a novelty because it was an animated feature film about superheroes, something that aside from The Incredibles 1 & 2 and Batman: Mask of the Fantasm really didn't exist.  In terms of what each medium does better, in animation you can depict more because it's not bound to the laws of reality, but in live-action you get the chance to make the fantastic more believable.

As for Sonic, though, I'm not sure how much it can take advantage of live-action.  Spider-Man and Captain America started as drawings, but they're people and can be portrayed by people.  I'll even concede that as the Transformers started as toys made to look like real vehicles, it's valid to convey them with prop vehicles or realistic CGI, even if how Michael Bay did it wasn't all that well-liked.  Sonic, though, can't be convincingly portrayed by a person in a suit or a puppet, so Sonic himself has to be animated.  The same for most other characters in the series.  Even if we concede that there are people who only watch live-action movies, those people aren't exactly obliged to watch every live-action movie ever, and I wouldn't bet on a movie called Sonic the Hedgehog being high-priority to them.  If they did watch it, I have a feeling they wouldn't have too high an opinion of it because it would ideally focus on its animated namesake.  Meanwhile, Sonic's fans might not have a high opinion of it either, since the live-action format could limit how much Sonic action they can depict.  

So in this case, at least, I don't see how making a film mostly live-action increases its appeal.  Maybe the people in charge were just operating at Mark Twain's "burnt cat" level but in optimistic form; they saw how other live-action adaptations were successful and went there without considering why they were successful.  However, another possible explanation is that based on some things I've read, people have wanted to make a live-action Sonic film ever since he was at his peak in the mid-1990s.  Back then, they could have bet on it being more of a success.  These days, though, when Sonic has a lot of die-hard fans but also is an object of mockery, and is a non-entity to many other people beside, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to gamble with this film's direction.

I won't co-sign on the hope that it fails, though.  As hit-and-miss as Sonic's self-referential humor is these days, unfortunately I can't think of anything besides humor that Sonic ever hits these days, and since they've hired a lot of comedians for the cast and are running the official Twitter in the standard meme-oriented modern Sonic way, the film can at least feasibly be funny.  Not necessarily the ideal Sonic movie, but possibly good for what it is.

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15 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Anyway, I hope we get a look at the full movie design at Toy Fair today 

I actually find this kinda ironically hilarious.

Here you are trying to convince everyone the whole motive/reason behind the design of this movie is to appeal to an older audience...yet, you hope they will unveil the character design(s) at a TOY Fair of all places...I hope the irony is not lost on you.

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Just now, Tarnish said:

I assume that would cost quite the pretty penny. I'm not sure this is the kind of movie that justifies such an expense.

I think they need to be advertised somehow, and Super Bowl is the most watched TV event I believe. I think it's be worth it.

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This is Paramounts 2019 slate:

What Men Want Paramount 2/8/19
Rhythm Section Paramount 2/22/19
Wonder Park Paramount 3/15/19
Pet Sematary (2019) Paramount 4/5/19
Rocketman Paramount 5/31/19
Limited Partners Paramount 6/28/19
Dora the Explorer Paramount 8/2/19
Crawl Paramount 8/23/19
Gemini Man Paramount 10/4/19
Are You Afraid of the Dark? Paramount 10/11/19
Untitled Terminator Project Paramount 11/1/19
Sonic The Hedgehog Paramount 11/8/19

Out of those for Superbowl money spending I'd speculate Terminator, Pet Semetry or Are You Afraid Of The Dark would get it over Sonic.

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For anyone wondering.

 

Toy Fair UK has NOTHING on the Sonic Movie.

There are no toys or anything regarding the Sonic movie at the event, I'd also say it's likely that there isn't anything behind closed doors either since there isn't a Sonic mascot at the event either (there's even video proof of this).

The only thing that has not been shown yet, would be Tomy's booth, however it's extremely unlikely that they have any new Sonic stuff since their 2019 catalogue has one new Sonic item in it and that's a Knuckles plush.

 

To put this into perspective.

Toy Story 4 has a dedicated booth with movie toys you can get hands on with.

Detective Pikachu has tons of stuff, from a huge display at the entrance, to every lanyard for the event beind detective pikachu themed.

Even the Shawn the Sheep 2 movie has some representation.

So unless NYTF has some representation, or someone manages to spot something at a closed booth and snags some pics, those who thought this would be a huge thing with lots of support... really it looks like the opposite is happening.

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17 hours ago, Rabid-Coot said:

SXSW

Not sure if there will be a Sonic panel for that, since, I heard rumors that there won't be one this year. I guess we will have to wait and see, when that comes. I think they could have one after all, I don't know. We probably going to get the announcement of the panel maybe next month. Sega did announced last year panel back in February.  If there is going to be one, maybe hopefully, we get some footage there.

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