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This isn't just a horrible design for not resembling Sonic the Hedgehog in the slightest, but for also being legitimately terrifying. I'm not kidding either, this is something that looks purposefully created to be as uncanny and unnerving as possible, perhaps for some satirical horror movie. And this is targeted at children. 

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2 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

I feel like this is a disaster waiting to happen.:

 

Must be great being the guy tasked with trying to sell shit to an audience and act like it's the best thing to ever happen.

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I- i am absolutely confused by the rules of this thread. It seems like all of the rules are a purposeful grey area. I don't understand.

 

Also, that model clearly looks instantly recognizable. There is nothing inherently bad about it 

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7 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

I feel like this is a disaster waiting to happen.:

 

It's so sad we need to remind people in this fandom to not be terrible. -_-

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2 hours ago, Tracker_TD said:

Looks around

No? Nobody? Alright...

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Here's what TSSZ have apparently verified as another shot from the movie. It looks... well. 

 

Ugh, it get worse and worse. That leaked shot kinda creep me out.

Anyway, do you think we will get a trailer shown before Captain Marvel which it will be releasing this Friday, because now we are starting to know more of how Movie Sonic look like?

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Of all things I've heard about this fanbase, I don't think harassing the Sega employees to their faces at panels is one of them. 

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1 minute ago, StaticMania said:

What's confusing about:

Don't dismiss people who like what they see

Don't dismiss people who don't like what they see

This is the most basic thing. There's no confusion to be had.

Uhhh because at what point does a post overlap into dismissive territory? Are we like, not allowed to have disagreements in this thread? That seems to be the reason why this thread keeps being closed but I'm actually confused by what constitutes as dismissing someone's opinion 

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Disagreements about what does and doesn't work about the design...that like, leads to actual discussion.

There's barely been anything like that aside from a few people joking or tweaking the design a bit.

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1 minute ago, PeterPancake said:

Also, that model clearly looks instantly recognizable. There is nothing inherently bad about it  

It's recognizable to you because you know who Sonic is and that that is supposed to be Sonic. But if you took someone who knows absolutely nothing about Sonic and took this image 

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and had to use it to create awareness of this

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and this 

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You might have a much harder time than you think convincing people it's the same thing.

Frankly, I know that's Sonic and it just doesn't look like him at all from that angle to me which is problematic since the other leaked images including the 06 pose at least looks like Sonic regardless of my opinion on the design direction. Point is though, if you have fans not finding the above to be looking like Sonic then the only way to use that to create brand awareness is through constant side by sides and making sure that Sonic's name is constantly present. Marketing 101 I'm sure, but what happens when you have someone who isn't good with names like my dad trying to explain this to someone who isn't familiar with the brand at all? It's kind of a problem that can only really be solved through an extremely persistent advertising campaign and if the funding for that is part of the 90m budget for the movie than either it is going to suffer or the marketing just to corelate the top image in this post with the others. That, or they're hoping that Sonic's name alone would be enough to get fans to talk about it creating buzz and correlation that way in which case they aren't wrong, but the you have to consider our fanbases reputation and Sonic's on a whole and wonder if that is the best idea either.

I honestly find myself feeling sorry for the fans who wanted Sonic on the big screen and getting this instead and being told it's not even for them at that, and I also feel sorry for the people this is targeted at to get them into the franchise since if they like this they are going to feel like SatAM fans, and Classic fans, and Adventure fans, and Modern fans, and Boom fans, And pre-Reboot Archie fans, and post-Reboot Archie fans, and Fleetway fans, and even IDW fans to an extent in that they don't feel like their branch is getting enough attention and can't wrap their heads around why everyone else hates their branch and only likes their own. To me no consumer wins in this case, and considering how unstable the brand is and SEGA as a video game company (they're fine outside of that for the most part right now to my knowledge) this further fracturing and SEGA's inability to attend to every branch will hurt consumer confidence which in turn will hurt investor confidence which in turn will only hurt the franchise as more customers imply abandon ship from not being attended to. Frankly, I find myself agreeing with Naka that this design is honestly not really good for the IP and that has nothing to do with what I think about the artistic direction of the design.

 

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Is he right, because the movie is gaining more attention despite the controversy?

Also, is the guy delusional that there is not much positive reaction about the Pokemon in Detective Pikachu? I don’t remember that there aren’t that many positive reaction about the Pokemon from a lot of people. I see a lot of positive reactions about them.

BTW, I hear a lot of bad things about this guy. He seem to like to mock the fandom a lot.

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I-, how do I address your point without "dismissing your opinion" ummm, let's just say that I could instantly tell who that character is even if I wasn't a hardcore Sonic fan. We should test that theory. Show that image to someone who isn't a hardcore fan and ask them who it is..if they say "Sonic" then the character design team did their job well. 

2 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

Is he right, because the movie is gaining more attention despite the controversy?

Also, is the guy delusional that there is not much positive reaction about the Pokemon in Detective Pikachu? I don’t remember that there aren’t that many positive reaction about the Pokemon from a lot of people.

 

He's right in saying that the hate/complaining is bringing attention to this movie. There's no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to a studio 

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8 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

I-, how do I address your point without "dismissing your opinion" ummm, let's just say that I could instantly tell who that character is even if I wasn't a hardcore Sonic fan. We should test that theory. Show that image to someone who isn't a hardcore fan and ask them who it is..if they say "Sonic" then the character design team did their job well. 

I mean, if we're really doing this... @Mayor D did this with results that don't exactly support your viewpoint, for what it's worth. 

 

 
I also just showed it to my co-worker, and it took him several seconds before guessing "Sonic" without much confidence in his voice. "Maybe it's just a still-frame or something... maybe it'll look more like Sonic in the full trailer?"
 
So..... eh? It's definitely Sonic, but it's not anywhere near as strong as the original design, or even Sonic Boom's.

 

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26 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Uhhh because at what point does a post overlap into dismissive territory? Are we like, not allowed to have disagreements in this thread? That seems to be the reason why this thread keeps being closed but I'm actually confused by what constitutes as dismissing someone's opinion  

The "disagreements" that led to the topic being locked yesterday (which were removed for the sake of tidying the thread) were a result of members insulting each other's intelligence and, I shit you not, criticizing their moral compass over their opinions on a CGI hedgehog.  It shouldn't be hard to abstain from doing that.

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10 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

He's right in saying that the hate/complaining is bringing attention to this movie. There's no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to a studio 

Have to agreed, because all of this is just bringing more attention to the movie. But, disagreed, that there aren't that much positive reaction about the Pokemon from a lot of people. I hear a lot of people seem to be excited on that movie.

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3 minutes ago, Indigo Rush said:

I mean, if we're really doing this... @Mayor D did this with results that don't exactly support your viewpoint, for what it's worth. 

It's not worth it at all. Both for or against 'Oh it's Sonic'. 

Because you'll either get people who don't realise it's Sonic at all, like my dad.

Or you'll get people who go "Oh that's Sonic' 

Then you have a sliding scale in between... It's at the point where peoples responses become more of a question like "Is that Sonic?" That's the point where people think they know who it is, but are still unsure. Which is pretty poor showing when this is supposed to be an iconic recognisable character. 

2 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

Have to agreed, because all of this is just bringing more attention to the movie. 

And in the meantime completely souring the reputation of the brand. 

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5 minutes ago, Mayor D said:

It's at the point where peoples responses become more of a question like "Is that Sonic?" That's the point where people think they know who it is, but are still unsure. Which is pretty poor showing when this is supposed to be an iconic recognisable character. 

That's kind of where I draw the line at the design being pretty poor. It's easy for us to say it's Sonic because we're so familiar with the character that we can pick out the basic design cues, which the film design certainly follows. Blue, stands upright, beige muzzle and belly, spiky hair and quills, green eyes and wears red and white sneakers, mainly. It's Sonic, but the way they executed it is very different from what it normally is, and I argue that it shouldn't have bothered going in this direction. I don't think they should ever go for a live action film with this character.

Mania feels like a fever dream right now. Are we sure we deserved it? Such a fluke.

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5 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

Is he right, because the movie is gaining more attention despite the controversy?

 

As the old saying goes, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Just consider this, despite the negative responses the Sonic movie was the number one trend on twitter when the design leaked. There is no way that went unnoticed and it would have created interest which is what the movie needs. As unhappy as many fans are, the more vocal they are about it the more attention they bring to movie which will allow other people to form their own unbiased opinions about it. It works out quite well for Paramount who can rely on word of mouth to create awareness of the movie without having to spend excessively on marketing.

11 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

let's just say that I could instantly tell who that character is even if I wasn't a hardcore Sonic fan.

I know you're trying to defend the design but using yourself in a hypothetical you can't provide proof for isn't going to work for your argument. I'd actually recommend that you get someone to film you going around and just asking totally random people if they know who the character is in the latest image followed by asking them about their familiarity with Sonic after their answer and then posting the results on YouTube. It'll support your argument better and you can get word of the movie out there which will give you more people to talk about with so it's a win-win situation for you unless everyone you talk to has no idea that that is Sonic. Considering Sonic's cultural footprint though I personally think that is very unlikely.

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Showed the full render to my dad earlier. He knew it was Sonic, but also, in his words knew that "he didn't look right". He had no qualms when I showed him Detective Pikachu afterwards though. Not that he was ever the target audience or ever likely to see the films, but its just another example of someone recognising uncanny valley.

 

This latest shot is just the strangest yet. I think they're going for a wind-rush kind of shot, showing the speed against his face, causing the mouth to be open like that...but hell does that mouth look goofy. Then the eyes...at first I thought the irises were too big, but the more I look at them, the more Sonic appears cross-eyed.

I also can't tell if his hands have been obscured by his wrists as he runs, or if they're suddenly blue fists.

Finally, is it just me or is there no depth to his legs? Like, it appears he's stood still bending forward, not running. Or is he in the process of launching himself for a jump, based on the red blur for his shoes?

I'm no art analyst and not great at putting my thoughts into words on subjects like this, the whole thing is just "off" to me on so many levels.

 

One last thing actually - I know the whole "no such thing as bad publicity" argument, but considering Sonic's general reputation on the internet, all it seems to me is we're going more into meme territory than people becoming legitimately interested in seeing the movie. I don't think that will necessarily translate to a big box office. Maybe a respectable opening weekend, and a sharp decline. Still, who knows, script could be great with an interesting trailer...I just don't see reason for optimism.

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Fair enough @Tara.

Thinking about it I might personally feel that that saying works though since one of the arguments I've seen is that the movie should appeal to those who left the franchise and are still nostalgic enough for it to want to see it on the big screen. Of course since those same people also argue that the movie isn't for the fans I'm not quite sure how that works and it makes my use of the phrase come across as ignorant at best.

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That I can recognize that the design is clearly meant to be Sonic is not inherently a point in its favor, or something that makes it "not that bad." By rooting itself, however loosely, in at least somewhat resembling Sonic, I just see a creepy ass eyes and weirdo proportions that bastardize what I think is perhaps the most beautifully effective character design of all time in order to fit the world of their movie. Yet this design still doesn't actually appear "real" or "grounded" in anyway, they just made an extra freaky looking version of a cartoon. It's a failure on all fronts.

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