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Just now, Myst said:

Who's to say the movie WON'T be a quality product? We won't know until November 8th whether or not this movie is good or garbage.

There are some tell-tale signs that a movie will be bad. Usually when people attached to the project have to share an article telling people to be positive about their movie, that's not a good sign.

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7 hours ago, Tarnish said:

I imagine the board meetings went sort of like in this animation:

(I also wish a few rockets would have hit the building during said meeting.)

OFC it went like this

Any reason why this movie is repeating every bad cliche despite experience showing that they don't work

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3 hours ago, Myst said:

Who's to say the movie WON'T be a quality product? We won't know until November 8th whether or not this movie is good or garbage.

Quality is pretty subjective when it comes to movies. To me, quality would mean this movie was made respecting the source material. Which this movie fails horribly at. So in my book, there's no way this movie could be quality at this point.

While for others, hiring a big name actor like Jim Carrey and fast paced CGI crap might be quality. So yeah. One man's trash is another man's treasure as they say.

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7 hours ago, Indigo Rush said:

The next generation of children deserves better than this.

I dunno. I managed alright with garbage like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic Underground and some of the appallingly bad stuff that the Fleetway Sonic the Comic put out. This movie already looks better than all of those.

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7 minutes ago, ShadowSJG said:

Any reason why this movie is repeating every bad cliche despite experience showing that they don't work

 
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Even DISNEY is doing this to their OWN characters. It looks like the trend is now a zombie.

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17 minutes ago, ShadowSJG said:

Any reason why this movie is repeating every bad cliche despite experience showing that they don't work

 
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Experience shows they make enough to get sequels sometimes.

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19 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Like Myst said, the movie is for a new generation of fans so if they succeed in bringing kids who dont know Sonic in, I guess Paramount will be happy. 

I still don't get how making a movie that resembles the source material so very little is supposed to bring in new people in masses to said source material. Don't get me wrong, it can happen that someone likes both, but the two are so day and night I just don't see it working in general.

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I watched Detective Pikachu, and they didn't have the Sonic commercial on it. It was plagued with all the Disney movies coming out this year though. As much as I like what the studio has put out in the past, a year with just sequels and remakes is rather disappointing.

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I saw Detective Pikachu opening day myself, and most of the reactions to the Sonic trailer were groans and "Huh? What?" and other confused exclamations.

Sure, people laughed at the child kidnapping joke, but they were the uncomfortable kinds of laughter.

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In the midst of all the negative reactions, do you think Paramount notices the overwhelmingly positive response to the few seconds of "actually looks like Robotnik" Carrey at the end of the trailer? Along with lamentations that it'll probably only be at the end of the film?

Like... do they notice when fans respond positively to the better designs? Does that factor into any decisions?

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5 hours ago, BaronGrackle said:

In the midst of all the negative reactions, do you think Paramount notices the overwhelmingly positive response to the few seconds of "actually looks like Robotnik" Carrey at the end of the trailer? Along with lamentations that it'll probably only be at the end of the film?

Like... do they notice when fans respond positively to the better designs? Does that factor into any decisions?

It factors so much, in fact, that it's the whole reason why they did it that way.  Maybe they weren't planning on Shrek's Donkey leaking that it was just the post-credits scene, so putting it in the trailer was just a way to bring in fans in hopes that it will be more of the movie.  Meamwhile it's at the ending to bait a sequel hook, for a sequel they'll likely spend more to make more accurate.  Such won't happen, though, if not enough people support this first film, so these are effectively shady mind games.

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Not the first time advertisements things that are literally at the end of a movie. Commercials for Astro Boy almost always showed a scene of an alien attack that only appears, literally, in the last 10 seconds or so of the movie.

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I had this thought in the statuses, but it's relevant here too, especially since it's just been brought up - I think Paramount knew full well how well received Eggman's "final" design would be, there's a reason why they used him to finish off the trailer after all. It's probably the literal only part of the trailer that's done half-way smartly. However, that still leads to the baffling question - why? Why doesn't Eggman just have this design to begin with? You've been given proof that people prefer the design from the games over the generic as fuck designs you used for Carrey. 

It then occurred to me that we've been presented with a Baby Sonic toy, something that likely appears briefly in the movie. And then it hit me why Carrey takes so many designs in this, other than the obvious "we have no fucking clue what we're doing" explanation - Merchandise. 

There's at the very least - three full designs of Eggman that we know of. There's Black labcoat generic as hell Eggman, there's red sports jacket Eggman, and then there's "actually giving a shit to try look like Eggman" Eggman. In other words - there's three versions of the same character to make action figures, and whatever other merchandise they wish to do so with. This is a practice also commonly used in TV shows, especially those based on games - including design changes for the sake of selling toys, and has been a thing from the 90s.

So it's almost definitely because not only are Paramount just completely out of touch, but looking for more toy designs to try squeeze some more money out of people. That's my theory at least. 

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1 hour ago, DreamSaturn said:

Don't you know? A colorful cast of fun characters in an animated world just isn't marketable. Everyone knows those never make any money ever.

You know what's fucked up?  I wish I could say these filmmakers are way off in terms of understanding what people love in this series, and they are, but with the insidious myth of the Sonic Cycle still haunting Sega's games and giving the supporting cast a raw deal, I can forgive the filmmakers a little more for thinking they aren't important and maybe even that they repel some fans.

Of course, that still doesn't explain or excuse the ugly design choices or poor writing.

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12 hours ago, DreamSaturn said:

Don't you know? A colorful cast of fun characters in an animated world just isn't marketable. Everyone knows those never make any money ever.

I think Paramount wanted this to be in live-action, hoping they would get a Transformers or TMNT style franchise out of it.

Another reason why I think this was in live-action was to broaden the audience. If it was simply CGI, I think most people would write it off as 'kids stuff' and not want to see it. With a live-action setting, relatable human characters (ugh i hate saying that) and a marketable face like Jim Carrey, older teens and young adults will want to see it too. 

I agree, a CGI movie would have been better.

Unpopular opinion: Michael Bay should have done this. He has experience with live-action/CGI hybrids and his studio Platinum Dunes has made some pretty spectacular visual effects for TMNT & Transformers. Blur Studios, while responsible for Deadpool, has not made a movie with a talking, fully CGI character before. The visuals in the Sonic trailer feel a bit cheap here and there. If Platinum Dunes did the movie, there would have been quite a bit of eye candy, IMO.

But Paramount is also to blame. $90 million is pretty low for a movie of this style. Smurfs, TMNT & Transformers all had budgets of $130-$160 million. A lot of this movie's budget likely went to Carrey's salary. Paramount should have invested more money into this if they wanted it to be a hit.

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