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7 minutes ago, DreamSaturn said:

As for what I personally would want, other people, including myself have stated countless times that a fully animated movie would've been much better.

Well, so if fully 3D is better - does it mean this hybrid Movie plot works better in the 3D? Would it be accepted by fans? It's hard to think 3D is all it needs when so many people shout - It's going to suck even with the redesign! After "asking" for the redesign "to make the movie better".

Or what plot you, as a fanbase, wants? I'm finding the origin an interesting.

And this may seem off-topic, but Ratchet and Clank have 3D movie, with a plot I enjoyed (never played the games), yet it seems it failed so miserably it resulted in canceling Sly Cooper fully 3D movie in 2016 was supposed to be air. I found the teaser trailer on YT, and after digging around a bit, this info was often mentioned. On wikipedia, is mentioned a TV series to come out in October 2019 and the possibility of the movie airing/getting finished after the release.

So, does fully 3D would convince people it's a great movie? 

And if the majority of fans shouted - fully 3D is better, and the majority of fans shouted - we want Sonic using guns/weapons - why was the reaction so negative (when majority wanted it? Or it was just a handful of them?) when Shadow got guns and Sonic sword (even before people playing the games)? I can't just wrap my head around this.

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2 minutes ago, Witto150 said:

Well, so if fully 3D is better - does it mean this hybrid Movie plot works better in the 3D? Would it be accepted by fans? It's hard to think 3D is all it needs when so many people shout - It's going to suck even with the redesign! After "asking" for the redesign "to make the movie better".

This plot probably would suck in any situation, but yeah, a fully animated movie where Sonic actually looks like Sonic would definitely be less repulsive to look at.

3 minutes ago, Witto150 said:

Or what plot you, as a fanbase, wants? I'm finding the origin an interesting.

While I don't necessarily want a straight adaptation of something like Sonic Adventure, Sonic  has a ton of world, characters, and lore to draw from. It's not impossible to come up with something that's at least interesting, as opposed to just "Sonic X, but live action, and worse".

4 minutes ago, Witto150 said:

And this may seem off-topic, but Ratchet and Clank have 3D movie, with a plot I enjoyed (never played the games), yet it seems it failed so miserably it resulted in canceling Sly Cooper fully 3D movie in 2016 was supposed to be air. I found the teaser trailer on YT, and after digging around a bit, this info was often mentioned. On wikipedia, is mentioned a TV series to come out in October 2019 and the possibility of the movie airing/getting finished after the release.

 

So, does fully 3D would convince people it's a great movie?

What you also failed to mention is that they failed to market the movie, like, at all, so that definitely didn't help. You can't just drop a movie into theaters and expect it to get amazing returns, that's not how it works.

5 minutes ago, Witto150 said:

And if the majority of fans shouted - fully 3D is better, and the majority of fans shouted - we want Sonic using guns/weapons - why was the reaction so negative (when majority wanted it? Or it was just a handful of them?) when Shadow got guns and Sonic sword (even before people playing the games)? I can't just wrap my head around this.

For one, the majority of people didn't want Sonic or anyone to use guns. Kids sent in letters to Sega asking for that, sure, but there's a reason they created Gamma specifically for that, because it doesn't fit Sonic as a character. And for two, just because people want something doesn't mean they should accept it if the execution is bad. A lot of people wanted another game like Sonic Adventure, and they got Sonic 2006. That game was terrible, but they asked for more Sonic Adventure, so does that mean you think they should accept it?

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4 minutes ago, DreamSaturn said:

For one, the majority of people didn't want Sonic or anyone to use guns. Kids sent in letters to Sega asking for that, sure, but there's a reason they created Gamma specifically for that, because it doesn't fit Sonic as a character.

So, it probably was a lot of kids playing Sonic games. 

4 minutes ago, DreamSaturn said:

What you also failed to mention is that they failed to market the movie, like, at all, so that definitely didn't help. You can't just drop a movie into theaters and expect it to get amazing returns, that's not how it works.

I saw that movie a few weeks ago, so I have no idea what the situation was around that time, just read it failed, not much reason was given in the comments.

 

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Any idea who is the author of this picture? It popped on my FB, and the poster doesn't mention any source and is not sure if it's official. The reverse search leads to only one "accurate" find with saying "the author is Skyeprowler", but I can't find the original anyway. The link on the picture leads to some movie streaming site. 

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37 minutes ago, Witto150 said:

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Any idea who is the author of this picture? It popped on my FB, and the poster doesn't mention any source and is not sure if it's official. The reverse search leads to only one "accurate" find with saying "the author is Skyeprowler", but I can't find the original anyway. The link on the picture leads to some movie streaming site. 

Looks too decent/acceptable to be official.

And if it by some miracle is, just take that small 1 extra step and make the arms beige...this isn't a Sonic Boom origin story after all..

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2 hours ago, Witto150 said:

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Any idea who is the author of this picture? It popped on my FB, and the poster doesn't mention any source and is not sure if it's official. The reverse search leads to only one "accurate" find with saying "the author is Skyeprowler", but I can't find the original anyway. The link on the picture leads to some movie streaming site. 

Oh, this is from this guy. BTW, it’s fan made. Also, I wouldn’t mind if he actually look similar like that.

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8 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

Oh, this is from this guy. BTW, it’s fan made. Also, I wouldn’t mind if he actually look similar like that. 

Okay, thank you 🙂

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21 hours ago, DreamSaturn said:

This plot probably would suck in any situation, but yeah, a fully animated movie where Sonic actually looks like Sonic would definitely be less repulsive to look at.

While I don't necessarily want a straight adaptation of something like Sonic Adventure, Sonic  has a ton of world, characters, and lore to draw from. It's not impossible to come up with something that's at least interesting, as opposed to just "Sonic X, but live action, and worse".

What you also failed to mention is that they failed to market the movie, like, at all, so that definitely didn't help. You can't just drop a movie into theaters and expect it to get amazing returns, that's not how it works.

For one, the majority of people didn't want Sonic or anyone to use guns. Kids sent in letters to Sega asking for that, sure, but there's a reason they created Gamma specifically for that, because it doesn't fit Sonic as a character. And for two, just because people want something doesn't mean they should accept it if the execution is bad. A lot of people wanted another game like Sonic Adventure, and they got Sonic 2006. That game was terrible, but they asked for more Sonic Adventure, so does that mean you think they should accept it?

So by your logic is kids the majority of Sonics fandom want to see a character use a gun the company should ignore them then by that logic I'd expect to see classic sonic in every future 3d game next to modern

 

06s faults were not that it was a bad game at all for being adventurous  it was cause Sega RUSHED,SPLIT the team and yuji just randomly up and leaves to make a game about penguins

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I apologize for not adding anything myself, but I just scrolled through the last three pages and can't find anything to say on the movie.

The most interesting things talked about were on fanworks vs official releases reception and on Black Doom as a concept.

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1 hour ago, Meta77 said:

So by your logic is kids the majority of Sonics fandom want to see a character use a gun the company should ignore them

Well, Dio just pointed out how that's the exact lesson that we learned from Shadow's game, which, if you remember, wasn't a very good one.

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Maybe we need to be specific with what we want like I want Sonic with a gun should also have I want it to be built from scratch and not bolted onto a gameplay system that wasn't designed to handle it.

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3 minutes ago, Rabid-Coot said:

Maybe we need to be specific with what we want like I want Sonic with a gun should also have I want it to be built from scratch and not bolted onto a gameplay system that wasn't designed to handle it.

And that'd be better conceptually, why?

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1 hour ago, Meta77 said:

06s faults were not that it was a bad game at all for being adventurous  it was cause Sega RUSHED,SPLIT the team and yuji just randomly up and leaves to make a game about penguins

I beg to differ. Even if the game was totally bug free, the story would still have more holes than a giant block of swiss cheese, the aesthetic of the whole game would still be very bland, Sonic characters next to realistic humans would still be weird, I'd still find the whole "Shadow using armed vehicles" idea stupid.

The concept itself was kinda flawed to begin with.

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3 minutes ago, Splash the Otter said:

"Sonic characters with guns" isn't an inherently bad idea IMO. It just needs to be done right.

Agreed. And this is the HUGE problem with Sonics fandom. Everyone thinks their view is right.  Many like shadow. Before it was coming out many were looking forward to it but it was a buggy edited game. 06 yet again the story and game were messed up by Sega. The story jumps cause they took so much out. I have people weekly tell me they like the human characters in the series. Some do not. Terms like majority mean noting without proof. But in a fandom where everyone has to be seen as their way or the highway what's one to do.

3 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

That could be said about anything.

Sonic's gonna get laser guns, just like Mario.

And it'll be a real time action rpg.

*looks around * I'll try it lol

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Sonic having a weapon of some kind is hard to justify because he can close the distance between enemies better than most action game characters can. Even in Shadow the Hedgehog they're only not on the redundant side because of the fact that they melt enemy health bars. In that game they kind of function as a hot fix for Heroes's abysmal combat, but what if you don't create that problem for yourself to begin with? A fast paced mobility shooter ala vanquish might be fun, but at that point you've shifted the genre to something else. Kind of silly to think about the characters existing in a game like that after 30 years of them just ramming people, too. Overall it would probably be a better implementarion of the idea though. 

That's not discussing the optics of a Sonic character holding a gun, but this board focuses too much on optics anyway. Much as I don't like the aesthetic, Shadow the Hedgehog was still a game obviously and squarely aimed at Sonic's target audience. I didn't know anyone my age that was put off by the imagery. 

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10 hours ago, Meta77 said:

So by your logic is kids the majority of Sonics fandom want to see a character use a gun the company should ignore them then by that logic I'd expect to see classic sonic in every future 3d game next to modern

That doesn't seem to be the logic that was exposited there at all. There being some kids sending in letters asking for Sonic to use a gun doesn't mean that the majority of all children out there wanted that to be the case, for one. It was certainly something I had never heard of when I was a kid. If the reaction they had to it was to include stuff like Gamma and the SA2 levels for Tails and Eggman than that also means its likely the requests were spread out over the years, which means it's possible they were relatively infrequent and just simply added up over time. 

It's usually up to the company to decide what makes sense to act upon and what to ignore. It's never really a good idea to immediately acquiesce to the requests some people have without taking into account whether or not it's something truly beneficial.  

There's a balance between creative integrity and fan input that needs to be respected here and this movie far and away has done nothing to achieve that from what I can tell. It doesn't even seem like this movie has either of those things to begin with. 

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5 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

There's a balance between creative integrity and fan input that needs to be respected here and this movie far and away has done nothing to achieve that from what I can tell. It doesn't even seem like this movie has either of those things to begin with.

This movie plot actually seems an awful lot like your typical "my first Sonic fanfic" when you're just a kid, doesn't really have a grasp on the universe/world of the franchise you like, but you still want to make your own story using the characters. I remember as an 8-12 year old I wanted to make my own Sonic game, but those ideas I sketched out on paper consisted of just a bunch of silly mish-mash of ideas..mostly putting Sonic in the world of 'Another World/Out of this world' or 'Heart of Darkness' where Sonic was using the laser gun to kill monsters and solve a lot of the same puzzles as in those games..fun memories, lol.

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19 hours ago, Rabid-Coot said:

Maybe we need to be specific with what we want like I want Sonic with a gun should also have I want it to be built from scratch and not bolted onto a gameplay system that wasn't designed to handle it.

Is there real evidence that any amount of fans ACTUALLY asked SEGA to give Sonic a gun?

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