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59 minutes ago, TimmiT said:

This "Sonic should/shouldn't be redesigned to be more realistic for this movie" talk makes me wonder: has there ever been a modern cartoon redesign for a big budget Hollywood movie that was actually good? It seems like either they stick to the original designs (see Peanuts) or try to redesign the characters and end up with horrifying looking creatures that look far worse than the original designs (see The Smurfs, Yogi Bear, Alvin and the Chipmunks etc.)

Well, when I was thinking about "realistc-looking" I was thinking more about this... Yeah, still wierd, but I want a game with this design so badly :D .

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3 hours ago, IniMeenieMiney-Jo-Vahexeon said:

That's an awful big stretch and leap of logic to suggest that none of the npcs from Adventure 1 are remembered.

While not to the potency of say, Majora's Mask, I think you may be shocked to find that the npcs of Adventure 1 actually do garner quite a reminiscence and discussion here and there.

A small example:

I'm sorry, but it honestly seems like you're pulling a strawman over something you just strictly don't like.

Dude, as much as i would like to consider sonic fans indicators of what... The general audiences for sonic may be. And in many cases i believe they are, this aint of then dude.

While my statement is objectively exaggeration the idea that in game whos pivatal characters are anthro animals and popular characters besides 1, its probably largely correct.

 

No one remembers the humans in sonic for the most part. They remember maria because shadow. But outside of very specific cases, most of  are them bad. Associated with shitty gameplay elements or shitty stories, sometimes both. Like a couple people talking about in a series specific form dont mean shit dude.

No one really cares about them. And the few that do note memory, outside of the robotniks and the unleashed guy for not being offensive to the senses are just shit.

The claim is sonic x ruined sonic humans for poeple. You mean a bunch of non memorable npc's and shit characters? Most people who even have above average interest in sonic cant remember all the sonic dudes. In what reality do you think that beyond the robotniks, the one not shit one, and the infamous ones, are these human characters of note. To anyone outside of the most dedicated. And even then.Not this reality.

Also if i can be a grimy business man for a sec, in this market, doesnt make sense.

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I would appreciate being told what I don't remember or care about.

1 hour ago, TimmiT said:

This "Sonic should/shouldn't be redesigned to be more realistic for this movie" talk makes me wonder: has there ever been a modern cartoon redesign for a big budget Hollywood movie that was actually good? It seems like either they stick to the original designs (see Peanuts) or try to redesign the characters and end up with horrifying looking creatures that look far worse than the original designs (see The Smurfs, Yogi Bear, Alvin and the Chipmunks etc.)

I actually like the way the Chipmunks look in their films despite said films being varying degrees of garbage, considering they're basically just chipmunks but with more personable faces that work in a CGI environment. Smurfs too I felt were also good looking updates. On top of that, Paddington is still the standard for this genre and looks freaking adorable.

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35 minutes ago, Nepenthe said:

I would appreciate being told what I don't and don't remember or care about.

I actually like the way the Chipmunks look in their films despite said films being varying degrees of garbage, considering they're basically just chipmunks but with more personable faces that work in a CGI environment. Smurfs too I felt were also good looking updates. On top of that, Paddington is still the standard for this genre and looks freaking adorable.

To the top part, congratulations your are inna small minority of people who care about sonic games enough to analyze and remember smaller less important elements for critical analysis. And  while I appreciate you, me, and everyone on sonic specific sites, i dont think our enthusiam is any idication of anything larger than that extreme enthusiasts. And small blip on a larger radar.

If sounded harsh before, sorry. But I very much stand by my point. Kind of no one cares, they are just window dressing. Sometimes really shitty windowdressing.

 

The bottom point, i think the chipmunks work because in the cartoon, their designs...were nondistinct. Thats a nice way of putting it "holy shit now than im an adult they look like humans with horrific skin deformations. And now that i think about it I had to be told they were chipmunks  " might be a bit more accurate. Making them more chimpmunky i feel helps when you are going to render something in this context creating your own might be the way to go. Can I go back to the old cartoon designs for a sec, they were like small child sized. Where in the hell did David find these chimpmunks?

Anyway I think Paddington looks great and needed little reinterpitation. He's been iirc a kid sized bear, so they made hik one.

Sonic, like mickey mouse , while a very cartoonish interpitation of ananimal. In their designs their intent is made clear, thats what they and are intended to be in all cases.

I think the most realistic sonic should get is, ironically enough the shadow the hedgehog models, the cg ones. Have you seen those things much like the rest of the cg stuff in that game, amazing. They dont have the lanky bodies of the 06 models, but they aren't too clean like a lot of the sonic models now. They a bit..more real in their sort of dirtyness seriously those models are great. Scuffs on the shoes, the colors on the model arent too vibrant, but they aren't dull, you can see the quils if you look hard enough are made of smaller ones but mot enough to ruin it, details on the gloves. I wouldnt mind sonic and co looking like that. Humans aside.

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@Shadowlax You seem desperately  insistent that the existing population of folks that negate your assertion that nobody cares of Adventure era human characters and NPCs,  are some supposed "minority". 

Ignoring the fact that you haven't even backed up that claim,  you're not even remembering to explain exactly why and how said NPCs were unmemorable outside of your own personal accounts. 

Ignoring the hidden stories,  backgrounds and mini-events circling some of Adventure 1's NPCs is another bad oversight to make for your case as well. 

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21 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

To the top part, congratulations your are inna small minority of people who care about sonic games enough to analyze and remember smaller less important elements for critical analysis. And  while I appreciate you, me, and everyone on sonic specific sites, i dont think our enthusiam is any idication of anything larger than that extreme enthusiasts. And small blip on a larger radar.

I didn't realize that merely playing Unleashed as intended counted as some noteworthy feat of critical analysis. I also didn't realize that appealing to the majority, a majority that honestly doesn't give a damn about Sonic in any capacity, was any real argument for the quality of anything in this franchise.

32 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

If sounded harsh before, sorry. But I very much stand by my point. Kind of no one cares, they are just window dressing. Sometimes really shitty windowdressing.

Repeating your argument doesn't make it more convincing nor even make the rationale clear so that I can at least say "I understand where you're coming from, but I disagree."

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52 minutes ago, IniMeenieMiney-Jo-Vahexeon said:

 

Hmm.in going to bow out. You are abosuletly right. I dont have evidence for this. I think its beyond obvious, and the only forum i seen dedicated the people are on enthusiast forums, but that isnt evidence enough. I could go to fan art sites and search numbers for numbers of entries for these characters vs... The main cast i suppouse. Or google itself, but as i mentioned myseld poping up in a forum besides setting the world a blaze is no indication of popularity or lack thereof. Bunches of people make forums to shit on sonic, doesn't mean no one likes sonic right? Heck some just put up a parody video of some dude dressed up like sonic singing about how sonic went down the dreain for the umnteeth time. He aint the fanbase..

What you want is numbers, charts graphs. And i can't provide that, i cannot provide info on something the fans nor sega themelves don't care enough to keep track of. And i think that in itself... Is an indicator. You know there aren't a bunch of "best humans " contests going on. But lack thereof provides me with less of a point. Even though I believe it kind of indicates  my point.

You are correct, i cant definitely prove this. However i think it is obvious enough to be ridiculous.

But i did do something wrong, i called you no-one, sorry. Thats mean, to be called no one. Sorry.

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@Shadowlax

If it really was "so obvious" as you put it,  then as a "fact" you should plenty of resources to easily legitimize it,  unless it's really just a  biting-off-more-than-you-could-chew case where ultimately it really was just a poorly thought out and rude claim to make your opinion appear strictly factual and authoritative.

On that matter,  you still haven't elucidated, strengthened or even bothered yet to explain the rationale behind the notion, that you apparently heralded,  of Adventure era NPC being mostly worthless and forgotten. 

 Aught to just agree to disagree instead of making a bold claim and statement that an unnotable amount of people care for the NPCs  in Sonic Adventure, rudely acting as of it's God-given fact. 

 

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Well I kinda really didn't care for the Adventure 1 NPCs, they weren't that memorable to me but I guess that's because I didn't took the time to interact with them. When I interacted with the Unleashed NPCs, I just loved them. All of them were pretty likable in their own way, all with their own hopes and dreams (ha! undertale references!), it also helps that not one NPC looks the same so it helps gives each NPC an identity.

soooo yeah, Unleashed NPCs are better than Adventure 1 NPCs....

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20 minutes ago, sansy said:

 

 

24 minutes ago, IniMeenieMiney-Jo-Vahexeon said:

@Shadowlax

If it really was "so obvious" as you put it,  then as a "fact" you should plenty of resources to easily legitimize it,  unless it's really just a  biting-off-more-than-you-could-chew case where ultimately it really was just a poorly thought out and rude claim to make your opinion appear strictly factual and authoritative.

On that matter,  you still haven't elucidated, strengthened or even bothered yet to explain the rationale behind the notion, that you apparently heralded,  of Adventure era NPC being mostly worthless and forgotten. 

 Aught to just agree to disagree instead of making a bold claim and statement that an unnotable amount of people care for the NPCs  in Sonic Adventure, rudely acting as of it's God-given fact. 

 

I dont think its that npcs who designs sorta of blend together in game whos memerable moments for most folks invovle, the sonic characters being playble in 3d, being things people didnt really care to remember is bold.

And that is what im doing im agreeing to disagree, I have chosen to argue something so unotable, i cant actually provide evidence. outside of lack there being any. My  arguement is that no one cares. There isnt a lot of stuff on humans sonic, even on enthusiast forums, i belive this is because no one cares. But you want official character polls for these people,  and dev statements. These dont exist, i believe this to be bevause not many even dev side cares. But there are no official statements. I have chosen to argue something that might be truly insignificant. Sorry , i have wasted our time.

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The problem with the issue is conflating memorability with quality as if they're the same thing or directly correlated. Humans are bombarded with so much information everyday that it's physically impossible to be able to recall the majority of it in any given time. I'm pretty sure we've all watched, read, played, and otherwise experienced things that were indeed good but didn't stick in our subconscious long enough to be a constant memory in lieu of newer, more relevant experiences in our lives. So arguing that humans in Sonic are bad because they're not memorable isn't really a conclusion that follows from the argument presented. There's a shitload of things in Sonic- human characters, animal characters, stages, songs, lines of dialogue, and entire games- that aren't memorable but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good as a result. After all, what about stuff that's memorable that's shit? People haven't been able to stop talking about Sonic 06 for nearly a decade. Doesn't mean it's the best Sonic game.

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5 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

To the top part, congratulations your are inna small minority of people who care about sonic games enough to analyze and remember smaller less important elements for critical analysis.

So, you alone are the majority? Because, I honestly have to agree with the others here. Could you give some statics mate, because I really can't believe that point of the argument?

Me, I don't like a realistic Sonic, but the other options do well.

I don't have a preference on human NPCs in the Sonic games. In my view, I actually preferred the ones in Adventure than Unleashed because they felt more relatable.

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12 hours ago, IniMeenieMiney-Jo-Vahexeon said:

That's an awful big stretch and leap of logic to suggest that none of the npcs from Adventure 1 are remembered.

While not to the potency of say, Majora's Mask, I think you may be shocked to find that the npcs of Adventure 1 actually do garner quite a reminiscence and discussion here and there.

A small example:

I'm sorry, but it honestly seems like you're pulling a strawman over something you just strictly don't like.

Don't forget

 

 

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Do you think we will get a teaser trailer for the 2018 Sonic Movie at SDCC this year?

And what will your reaction be, if there's hint of the Archie/SatAM Freedom Fighters in it?

 

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There's no cast, no director, the Script's not finished and it's still two years away so no. I love Archie but I really think this should be it's own thing.

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@zwrozaz

I think that they'll either show something this year to further celebrate to 25th anniversary, or they will do it next year instead (after all of the 25th festivities).

Doing it after the anniversary may the better idea.

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11 hours ago, zwrozaz said:

Do you think we will get a teaser trailer for the 2018 Sonic Movie at SDCC this year?

And what will your reaction be, if there's hint of the Archie/SatAM Freedom Fighters in it?

 

I'd be VERY upset because Sally and the Freedom Fighters were a background created for Sonic not by Sega, but by people who were only licensed to create a non-canon story for the character.

 

Although the whole story of the comics is alright - even with all the inconsistencies - and does fill a void in Sonic's past since it was devoid of any context at all, I'd rather have Sega put a team of writers together to create THEIR OFFICIAL VERSION of Sonic's origin and the world he lives in. And preferably, that it is Sega of JAPAN that does it, since the character is Japanese, not Sega of America.

Sonic's Western mannerisms are meant to make him look cool and edgy because Japan was becoming a great exporter to the world in the 80s and 90s. So Sonic was designed within that specific timeframe. He is meant to reflect the popular Japanese mindset and what it believed to represent everything that was cool and modern. And in that time it was to be a Japanese with Western mannerisms, such as using English slang now and then and having a laid back, no worries attitude, much like a teenager or young adult. 

 

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Hahaha that's funny because it's wrong

Regardless, the movie does still need to stay away from them because the Archie cast are a niche group unrecognized worldwide, where the movie has to be as accessible as possible, therefore sticking to the core character cast of Sonic-Tails-Eggman, probably Knuckles, maybe Amy.

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2 hours ago, Inspector Shaddy said:

Hahaha that's funny because it's wrong

Regardless, the movie does still need to stay away from them because the Archie cast are a niche group unrecognized worldwide, where the movie has to be as accessible as possible, therefore sticking to the core character cast of Sonic-Tails-Eggman, probably Knuckles, maybe Amy.

The Sonic Boom version of Amy.  Cause even though the game was horrible, the cartoon made her likable for the first time.

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24 minutes ago, a knothole resident said:

The Sonic Boom version of Amy.  Cause even though the game was horrible, the cartoon made her likable for the first time.

I wish we could have the Boom version of Eggman, somehow. Not as the main villain, because, despite his pretense villainy, he's a sweetheart. An egomaniac, of course, who can be horribly abusive towards his subordinates and a backstabbing son of a bitch to those who help him (Buddy-Buddy Temple, cough, cough), but still a sweetheart. 

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