Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)

[Sega DogTagz]

14 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Paramount has been making movies for almost 80 years. They will have a much better grasp of what sells to the audience and Sega must realize this. Something as important as Sonic's design aka what will be the FACE of their product and possibly franchise will need to and most probably will  be a collaborative proccess between everyone involved. It won't just be "We want the game model ripped out of Sonic Colors and that's FINAL" it does not work like that. That's not how moviemaking works. Jeff Fowler will have a say, Neal Moretz will have a say, Tim Miller will have a say, concept artists for the movie who they send patents out to will have some pull as well if Paramount likes what  they're selling. Making a movie is a collaborative proccess. It isn't just going to entail Sega execs stomping their feet in the storyboard rooms and gatekeeping every creative decision the writers and producers make. 

 

We can call it a collaborative process all we want, but if there is a single governing entity that has final authority than the only collaboration that will occur are the ones that they choose to allow. Its less of a collaboration and more of the guy with the high ground choosing to recede a bit. If Sega chooses to think that they would rather maintain consistency than waiver to movie experts about what is best for their IP, then that's that. Paramount can either get with the program or abandon the project. That is within the realm of authority held by Sega - and we all now how NOTORIOUSLY stubborn Sega of Japan is about these things.

All that creative talent can give all the 2 cents they want. If Sega doesn't want to compromise, they won't have too. I'm sure there will be plenty of room given for the movie buffs to stretch their creative minds and take fresh approaches, I just wouldn't imagine Sonic's character design to be on the table for anything other than minuscule changes. Nothing in Sega's recent history says that is a change they are willing to swallow.

 

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And yes, by the very nature of the movie, regardless - It will be a new Sonic on the market. Merchandise and tv ads will be a separate brand from the games.

The first marketing push will say "From the hit videogame series" or something along those lines.

They may try to separate the canon's from the storytelling standpoint, but I would seriously doubt that they would be interested in splintering another entire faction off. The appetite for that must be dulled following Boom and the rise of Classic.

 

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I'll reply to the rest in 40 minutes. I'm about to get off of work 

Take a sick day and go home early. Clearly this is more important.

 

1 hour ago, Blue Knight/Bluestreak said:

Marza didn't work on Sonic in 2003, they weren't involved until Sonic 2006 with assistance from Blur who did the CG in Shadow the Hedgehog the previous year. 2003 was when Sonic Heroes released and I have no idea who did the CG in that game.

Marza is credidted as far back as 2003 as Sega's in house CGI studio. Back then, they were VE Animation Studios/Visual Entertainment R&D Dept. In 2009 that switched over to SSVE (SegaSammy Visual Entertainment) and in 2010 they got the Marza tag.

Needless to say, the core structure of Marza has been around at Sega for a LOOOOOOOOONG time. Shoot, their current parent company has roots that go back to Sonic Jam and AoSTH.

[CaptainRobo]

5 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

That scene does look "realistic". The cars, lighting and space are all rendered to look real. Sonic looking like a video game model ripped out of the game is something completely different from that. That's not being"non-realistic" the same way of that scene 

You may be right, but some parts of the scenes looked very unrealistic like the part where hundreds of cars chased the Russian convoy. However, that's is not all the unrealistic scenes that the movie had like the part where the Rock went out of his car, to throw the torpedo at a truck which it get explode.

Another part was where Vin Diesel lure the missile to the submarine by hitting it, causing the missile to destroy it.  He managed to survive the explosion by getting out of his destroyed car. As he got out of the car, the explosion came closer to him, but his friends saved him. They all survived. See, that is unrealistic, there is no way they can survived all of that. I laugh at all of this, because this is hilarious and the movie ignored the laws of physics. 

Anyway, Sonic is a blue hedgehog who like to do crazy unrealistic dangerous things, like running loop-de-loops and escaping from a giant truck. I'm trying to show this film as a example of a very unrealistic fun creative fiction plot. So, the plot of the movie can be fun, weird, and joyful. It's fun to be creative to make a movie enjoyable for people to watch. However, it's not my or anybody's decision to decided what's best for the movie, it's Paramount's and Sega's decision to make what's is best for the movie. They can add whatever they want. As I say this in my last post, they say they will work closely with Sega of America. Here is the quote to prove it.: 

Paramount Pictures will work closely with SEGA of America to bring Sonic to the big screen, said Jim Gianopulos, Chairman and CEO, Paramount Pictures.

The SEGA Holdings Chairman and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Haruki Satomi confirmed that Marza is working on the movie.:

I am very honored that our companies, SEGA and MARZA, have this incredible opportunity to partner with Paramount Pictures for this production, which will bring Sonic to the big screen for the first time.

 

[PeterPancake]

17 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

 

We can call it a collaborative process all we want, but if there is a single governing entity that has final authority than the only collaboration that will occur are the ones that they choose to allow. Its less of a collaboration and more of the guy with the high ground choosing to recede a bit. If Sega chooses to think that they would rather maintain consistency than waiver to movie experts about what is best for their IP, then that's that. Paramount can either get with the program or abandon the project. That is within the realm of authority held by Sega - and we all now how NOTORIOUSLY stubborn Sega of Japan is about these things.

All that creative talent can give all the 2 cents they want. If Sega doesn't want to compromise, they won't have too. I'm sure there will be plenty of room given for the movie buffs to stretch their creative minds and take fresh approaches, I just wouldn't imagine Sonic's character design to be on the table for anything other than minuscule changes. Nothing in Sega's recent history says that is a change they are willing to swallow.

It sure as hell will be. Sega surely can't muscle every single creative decision they make especially something as big as Sonic's design. Sonic's design needs to be marketable to the masses, Paramount stands to lose money too, not just Sega. Their revenue has been on a steady decline and the Transformers films are underperforming at the box-office. It doesn't matter how good the writing is, a shitty presentation (having Sonic look like a cartoon) would ruin the movie for most people. Like you said, the concept of a blue anthropomorphic Hedgehog is a hard enough sell to the GA, but you aggravate that problem up to 11 by having Sonic look like a CG model ripped from the games. The problem here is that you think Sega will apply the same logic and thought proccess they have when managing the games and they'd be foolish to do so - because the film industry is a COMPLETELY different beast from the video game industry. If Sega hopes to expand their reach - They must adapt and conform to what is necessary in the Hollywood landscape, they can not strong arm their way through the production of this film. IT MUST be a collaborative proccess between Sega and people who KNOW what sells to the audience; people who have been making movies for years and have much more experience  than Sega does in the moviemaking business. Otherwise, there would have been ZERO reason to have Paramount or any Hollywood producers involved, Sega could've easily MARZA make an animated movie like the Werehog film they made years ago and sell the film to a distributor for release. The original writer from the previous version of the film at Sony where MARZA was doing the animation- confirmed that Sonic would get a redesign "although nothing drastic" which can be interpreted many different ways. But it confirms one thing, Sega is being more flexible, creatively. Because it's a necessary evil.

 

17 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

The first marketing push will say "From the hit videogame series" or something along those lines.

They may try to separate the canon's from the storytelling standpoint, but I would seriously doubt that they would be interested in splintering another entire faction off. The appetite for that must be dulled following Boom and the rise of Classic.

This is not like Sonic Boom or Classic. This is a multimillion dollar Blockbuster movie being footed, distributed and marketed by Paramount Pictures. Again, you're applying the same throught process people behind the games to this movie and that's a mistake. Movie Sonic will be different from classic, modern or Boom. It will be a completely different branch. Furthermore, Paramount will have a say in whether the brand gets splintered off (which It will) because this is their Sonic too. Their trademark will be on the copyright print right next to Sega's logo.

[CaptainRobo]

So, there was a interview with the Sega Sammy Holdings President, Haruki Satomi. He did mention a little a bit of the movie. This is what he had say, when being asked about the movie.

CT: So back in the 90s Sonic the Hedgehog was one of the most successful and well-known franchises of Sega. Now fans of Sega are wondering when Sonic is going to make a successful comeback. What are you telling them?

Haruki Satomi: One of the answers I gave was the latest two titles which we launched last year, Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces, especially Sonic Mania which got a 80s, 85ish Meta-critic score and fans are excited about this game and people really love it, actual sales was very strong, and we introduced a Sonic animation series over the last two years. We recently announced the new partnership with Paramount for a Sonic movie project that's going to be available November 15th to December 19th so it's a little more than one year but it's coming soon and we're really excited about it. We can bring Sonic to the next level and not only bring the Sonic game to existing fans but we try to grow our fan base worldwide.

CT: So you think this movie is going to be a big thing when it comes to reviving Sonic the Hedgehog, making a successful comeback?

Haruki Satomi: Yes, one of it, one of our efforts to do so.

He think that the movie is going to be big, and it will revive Sonic and making a successful comeback.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/cnbc-transcript-haruki-satomi-president-sega-sammy-holdings.html

[PeterPancake]

1 hour ago, CaptainRobo said:

So, there was a interview with the Sega Sammy Holdings President, Haruki Satomi. He did mention a little a bit of the movie. This is what he had say, when being asked about the movie.

CT: So back in the 90s Sonic the Hedgehog was one of the most successful and well-known franchises of Sega. Now fans of Sega are wondering when Sonic is going to make a successful comeback. What are you telling them?

Haruki Satomi: One of the answers I gave was the latest two titles which we launched last year, Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces, especially Sonic Mania which got a 80s, 85ish Meta-critic score and fans are excited about this game and people really love it, actual sales was very strong, and we introduced a Sonic animation series over the last two years. We recently announced the new partnership with Paramount for a Sonic movie project that's going to be available November 15th to December 19th so it's a little more than one year but it's coming soon and we're really excited about it. We can bring Sonic to the next level and not only bring the Sonic game to existing fans but we try to grow our fan base worldwide.

CT: So you think this movie is going to be a big thing when it comes to reviving Sonic the Hedgehog, making a successful comeback?

Haruki Satomi: Yes, one of it, one of our efforts to do so.

He think that the movie is going to be big, and it will revive Sonic and making a successful comeback.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/cnbc-transcript-haruki-satomi-president-sega-sammy-holdings.html

I'm really rooting for this movie. If this movie is a smash hit, Sonic can become much bigger than they could've ever imagined.

Here's tweet from the writer responding to a fan asking whether the animation will look like those Boom commercials aka Sonic looking like a cartoon.

 

https://twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/992542347257757696?s=09

[CaptainRobo]

33 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Here's tweet from the writer responding to a fan asking whether the animation will look like those Boom commercials aka Sonic looking like a cartoon.

 

https://twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/992542347257757696?s=09

I actually post that tweet to him. I ask him what he think of the logo. This is his response.

 

[PeterPancake]

3 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

I actually post that tweet to him. I ask him what he think of the logo. This is his response.

 

My mistake 

https://twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/992580822380101632?s=20

[CaptainRobo]

So, a few days ago,  I ask Van the same question that I asked to the writer of the movie, if the animation will be similar to commercial ones. This is what he respond to my question.:

 I guess, he could be thinking that the animation would be like this.:

 

I also ask what did he think of the logo. He say that he kinda like the logo, and hope that the logo is just a placeholder.

 

[Eurisko]

If that ends up being the final logo I’ll be very very surprised. Anyway , it’s not the logo that concerns me. I’m eagerly awaiting casting.

[CaptainRobo]

Here is the same interview with the President of Sega Sammy Holdings. He briefly started talking about the movie at around like 2:08:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-president-talks-upcoming-movie-project-and-comeback.html

[DaddlerTheDalek]

On 9.5.2018 at 4:52 PM, CaptainRobo said:

Here is the same interview with the President of Sega Sammy Holdings. He briefly started talking about the movie at around like 2:08:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-president-talks-upcoming-movie-project-and-comeback.html

Interesting. I appreciate your updates CaptainRobo.

[CaptainRobo]

According to a listing from Production Weekly, the working title of the movie will be called Casino Night, which it is an reference to the zone from Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Filming is expected to lasted in Vancouver until Oct. 25. More news about the movie is expected at E3 which is coming next month.

Source: https://pursuenews.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-working-title-filming-date-revealed/

[A sonic fan]

looks like the movie will be taking inspiration from the classics then.  But casino night really does sound just like a working title i dont know if a casino will be in the movie. but yeah all around really confusing title. 

[Red Hot Jack]

Didn't they say in the status update that it's a fake news?

[A sonic fan]

1 hour ago, Jack the Maniac said:

Didn't they say in the status update that it's a fake news?

where ?

[CaptainRobo]

So for those, who don’t know what an working title is. It is a temporary title that movies used for identification purposes. 

So, I doubt the working title have something to do with the plot.

Anyway, here is a picture of Sonic escaping from the Police. Enjoy!

[Red Hot Jack]

So "Casino Night" is legit, huh?

I already expressed my thoughts in previous posts... but I think the movie is in good hands, the only thing that bugs me is the location, Vancouver is where they shoot tv shows, not movies, it's the cheapest possible location, they probably didn't want to spend money on that but they hired Deadpool and Fast and Furious people, we'll have to see how CGI turns out, but if Marza is working on it, it must be good.

As for the live action part, hear me out... this is gonna be unpopular but, it's probably the best decision they could make to try to be successful, lots of movies fail to perform well because they are in full CGI, because that's not how movie industry works imo, if you want to make a mini movie for the TV for the fans, that's one thing, but a Hollywood movie is a different thing entirely. I'm not even interested in defending it, I haven't seen anything yet so how could I judge, I'm not defending SEGA either because I don't really care, but I do care about Sonic and I want it to be successful (but definitely not if it's shit), I just believe a fully CGI movie would flop hard, only fans would be interested in that.

Action, humor and big name actors are the things that will carry this movie for the general audience. "Guest Starring Sonic"... I guess, it's sad but true.

[Sonic Fan J]

Especially since at his height Sonic was more globally recognizable than Mickey Mouse and even the Mouse can no longer sell as a major theatrical release these days. It's honestly kind of depressing, but that's just reality. Hopefully though we get plain lucky and they treat Sonic like they did Deadpool and go all in instead of going the Sonic X route.

[PeterPancake]

Robo is right, it's a working title. All movies have one during production. That being said, I do wonder if Casino Night will be in the movie, it will certainly be nostalgic 

[Lord-Dreamerz]

1 hour ago, Jack the Maniac said:

As for the live action part, hear me out... this is gonna be unpopular but, it's probably the best decision they could make to try to be successful, lots of movies fail to perform well because they are in full CGI, because that's not how movie industry works imo,

I hear you, and I don't agree. It's not the best decision whatsoever they could make even for general watchers. Where are you getting this idea that most full CGI movies don't do good? Many cartoon movies I know that make it into theaters did at least ok or very good. Just look at Disney or Pixar or Illumination Entertainment movies as example of full CGI cartoon movies that often do great. Even smaller companies who's cartoon CGI movies that make it onto the big screen have been known often to do fine enough. On the other hand the opposite has been shown often true to be bad, the majority of CGI cartoon & live action mix movies... especially if they are based on games... are known to be small or huge flops and heavily criticized by fans and normal watchers alike. Some of the only ones to work at all were based on comic/cartoon series like TMNT and not games. So yeah I'm just going to call your thoughts on how the movie industry works to be kinda wrong here.

[Red Hot Jack]

43 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

I hear you, and I don't agree. It's not the best decision whatsoever they could make even for general watchers. Where are you getting this idea that most full CGI movies don't do good? Many cartoon movies I know that make it into theaters did at least ok or very good. Just look at Disney or Pixar or Illumination Entertainment movies as example of full CGI cartoon movies that often do great. Even smaller companies who's cartoon CGI movies that make it onto the big screen have been known often to do fine enough. On the other hand the opposite has been shown often true to be bad, the majority of CGI cartoon & live action mix movies... especially if they are based on games... are known to be small or huge flops and heavily criticized by fans and normal watchers alike. Some of the only ones to work at all were based on comic/cartoon series like TMNT and not games. So yeah I'm just going to call your thoughts on how the movie industry works to be kinda wrong here.

But this isn't Pixar or Disney, so...

[Lord-Dreamerz]

1 hour ago, Jack the Maniac said:

But this isn't Pixar or Disney, so...

So what? Those were not the only 2 companies I said. Plus if you actually read the rest of my post, I said even many other smaller companies who's CGI cartoon movies that make it into theaters do at least good enough often. So no, you didn't disprove anything I said. The concept theater movies have to be live action and or super detailed realistic art style in order to appeal to the general watchers is a huge misconception random people believe in that has no real good proof to back it up.

[PeterPancake]

 

1 hour ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

So what? Those were not the only 2 companies I said. Plus if you actually read the rest of my post, I said even many other smaller companies who's CGI cartoon movies that make it into theaters do at least good enough often. So no, you didn't disprove anything I said. The concept theater movies have to be live action and or super detailed realistic art style in order to appeal to the general watchers is a huge misconception random people believe in that has no real good proof to back it up.

Sega wants a blockbuster franchise in vein of the MCU. An animated movie for 9 year olds does not hold the same weight as live action action movie. It will be nowhere near as big. This was the right choice. Heck, if they wanted to, they could make a Sonic cinematic universe, there is certainly enough material to mine from.

[A sonic fan]

18 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

 

Sega wants a blockbuster franchise in vein of the MCU. An animated movie for 9 year olds does not hold the same weight as live action action movie. It will be nowhere near as big. This was the right choice. Heck, if they wanted to, they could make a Sonic cinematic universe, there is certainly enough material to mine from.

 sonic cinematic universe could actually work with the huge diverse set of characters we have. some ideas i have are 

a comedy mystery Team chaotix movie

A Silver movie about him trying to save the future, mainly action oriented with some comedy.

A shadow movie thats pretty dark and action packed 

loads of characters in this series could have movies based around them.

[Lord-Dreamerz]

9 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

This was the right choice.

Yeah... no. It was the wrong choice.  Sonic just doesn't work as a alive action compared to some other things, this is just another mistake in a long line of mistakes by SEGA. Sonic has always been a series aimed at mainly kids regardless if we old fans like that or not, and 1 or 2 try hard movies won't change that. This movie like most game movies will highly likely flop just like all the others. I do find it funny however not only are you trying to demean all animated movies by saying they are only for little kids, but also that they can't be just as popular as big name live action movies... which is just wrong in so many ways.

On a side note. At least Nintendo has wised up and are making their next Mario Movie a CGI cartoon movie only.