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5 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

The fans hating this movie won't mean Jack squat if the GENERAL AUDIENCE loves it.

You would be a terrible creator/artist, I hope you're aware of that.

1 minute ago, PeterPancake said:

That's the entire point of marketing, to get the potential audience invested In your product.

Tell that to Disney then regarding the Solo movie.

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8 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

The Transformers fanbase hates the Bayformers movies yet they still make billions. The TMNT fanbase hated the first Bayturtles movie and yet it still made money which greenlit a sequel (which DID try to cater to fans who hated the first one but it failed) Venom was hated by fans but now the movie as outgrossed half of all live action Spider-Man movies. The fans hating this movie won't mean Jack squat if the GENERAL AUDIENCE loves it. We've seen it proven time and time and time again. Over countless different adaptations. 

So that's why we have to stop criticizing everything popular because this stuff is popular and brings money. Might as well make all paintings black squares because Malevich's painting was a big seller.

Nah mate, I don't wanna be a corporate sheep that likes everything popular and thinks everything a corporate decides is a good idea.

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3 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

That's the entire point of marketing, to get the potential audience invested In your product. 

Well judging by the reaction in general to this, that didn’t work out well I’m guessing 

Sonic’s already a tough sell to most outside the fanbase, so this likely only is further distancing people vs pulling them in 

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2 minutes ago, KHCast said:

If making money is the ultimate goal, and damn artistic integrity and vision, then that’s a pretty bleak and cynical industry. Making money > being actually good?  That’s what got us the AAA game industry. People shit on cod all the time yet it makes money, fallout 76 is literally getting beaten at every corner of the internet, and still makes money. That doesn’t change they’re lazy, uninspired, bad, etc. failing upwards is a thing 

Making money is the goal for damn near every product that's on the market. That shouldn't even be in the discussion because that's the endgame for ALL Studios -- including Sega. Now we have seen nothing from this movie to indicate it's being lazily slapped together. Just from the way Tim Miller and Jeff Fowler talk about the new design and all of the creative/grounded thought process that went into designing Sonic shows they CARE. And Neal Moretz does not make garbage movies. Fast and Furious may not be perfect but they are decent films made by people who give a shit about what they're making. I'm tired of hearing this mentality from the fanbase that because they don't like the creative liberties they're taking with the franchise means they are making a cash grab. Making a cash grab and changing elements of the franchise to suit the story you're telling are two COMPLETELY different things.

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2 minutes ago, KHCast said:

Well judging by the reaction in general to this, that didn’t work out well I’m guessing 

Sonic’s already a tough sell to most outside the fanbase, so this likely only is further distancing people vs pulling them in 

TMNT would have been an assured bomb if we followed this logic because the reaction to the first look of the redesigns on that film was wayyyyyyyyyyy worse than this one. And that movie still made a crap ton of  Blockbuster bucks at the box-office. The reality is: the people crapping on the design are still gonna see the movie and thats all the studio cares about at the end of the day. 

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I don't think fans or the "general public" want a big-screen Sonic movie... This fan-base can't even enjoy Sonic games hardly, anymore. A live-action movie? That's gonna be torn to shreds by fans in a heart-beat; if a good majority even bother to see it. And quite frankly apart from the occasional little kid who forces his/her mom to take them to see The Sonic Movie, I can't imagine this is going to have much of a wide-spread appeal. This movie is the epitome of dead-on-arrival in my opinion

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2 minutes ago, Unidus said:

I don't think fans or the "general public" want a big-screen Sonic movie... This fan-base can't even enjoy Sonic games hardly, anymore. A live-action movie? That's gonna be torn to shreds by fans in a heart-beat; if a good majority even bother to see it. And quite frankly apart from the occasional little kid who forces his/her mom to take them to see The Sonic Movie, I can't imagine this is going to have much of a wide-spread appeal. This movie is the epitome of dead-on-arrival in my opinion

You underestimate the power of nostalgia. That's what pushed TMNT as far as it did.

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3 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Making money is the goal for damn near every product that's on the market.

Yeah let’s not change your general point that to be successful and good means it must make lots of money, and that means trend chasing if you need to.

4 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Now we have seen nothing from this movie to indicate it's being lazily slapped together. Just from the way Tim Miller and Jeff Fowler talk about the new design and all of the creative/grounded thought process that went into designing Sonic shows they CARE.

Nothing implies it’s gonna be good either, this again, has only reinforced people’s concerns. And it being a video game film a genre already plagued with cynical cashgrabs isn’t helping.

 And well no shit, they’re making the designs of course they’re gonna promote positively these designs. 

7 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

I'm tired of hearing this mentality from the fanbase that because they don't like the creative liberties they're taking with the franchise means they are making a cash grab. Making a cash grab and changing elements of the franchise to suit the story you're telling are two COMPLETELY different things.

Trend chasing and making something that didn’t need to be live action, live action, and overhauling a characters design, for the sake of it, certainly makes people feel it’s not out of genuine understanding of the franchise they’re doing these directions 

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What I'm REALLY curious about now is that teaser trailer from Brazil, where people said that Sonic looked fine and like the Sonic that everyone knows, only more 'realistic' but still cute and stuff... I really wonder how that's gonna fit in with what we've seen with this poster. That's also keeping me from worrying too much about his eyes being little beady black balls or something - I don't think the people who saw that trailer would've reacted so positively to it if his eyes had been changed THAT drastically.

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12 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

TMNT would have been an assured bomb if we followed this logic because the reaction to the first look of the redesigns on that film was wayyyyyyyyyyy worse than this one. And that movie still made a crap ton of  Blockbuster bucks at the box-office. The reality is: the people crapping on the design are still gonna see the movie and thats all the studio cares about at the end of the day. 

The problem is, you can never be 100% sure. A few years ago a Star Wars movie, made and marketed by the studio behemoth Disney losing money in the theatrical run would have been a crazy, unimaginable thing to say. Yet, it happened with Solo. It happened with a cult classic franchise that made big buck after big buck upon every single release.

So don't tell me that Sonic, an at this point almost washed up video gaming icon with it's first theatrical release this millennium is a sure seller when it doesn't even have the backing of its own fanbase.

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26 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

The Transformers fanbase hates the Bayformers movies yet they still make billions.

Correction: Made billions. Past tense.

And that was only the case with two of those five films, with the latest one barely making over half a billion. Probably because the general audience started to realise that those films weren't good.

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6 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

TMNT would have been an assured bomb if we followed this logic because the reaction to the first look of the redesigns on that film was wayyyyyyyyyyy worse than this one. And that movie still made a crap ton of  Blockbuster bucks at the box-office. The reality is: the people crapping on the design are still gonna see the movie and thats all the studio cares about at the end of the day. 

Tmnt has had constant mainstream attention with multiple shows and movies, comics, guest appearances, etc within its lifespan. It never was not appealing to large markets, and so a movie was going to make money regardless whether people enjoyed the designs, direction, or not.

Sonic has had mediocre games, and shows, with boom being probably the best show to date and that’s already meh. His reputation is a joke, and not a ton outside children take him serious or put him on a high pedestal like someone like Mario.

The two aren’t comparable 

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37 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

Because most people don't care. Nobody at that panel was screaming in hyperbolic anger that "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE SONIC!!!" Because it's recognizable as Sonic. It has 6 quills, red shoes, and the exact same silhouette as the games. If you showed a random person a picture, they would clearly see Sonic the Hedgehog. And the human complaints are completely overblown, nothing about it looks like a guy in a costume. I don't see abs/a six pack and ripped thighs. His thighs are more developed than the games because he's a RUNNER. It makes perfect sense. The alternative was noodle limbs and that would have looked terrible on the big screen. The only thing that gives me pause on this design are the arms. I wish they were flesh colored but it's something I can live without. 

 

There is a huge difference between the games now and the way they were in the early 2000s. Yes, they were aimed at kids but the stories themselves were mature and layered. The characters themselves had development and actual arcs, there were REAL stakes and Eggman was not an idiot. The early 2000s era of Sonic did take itself much more seriously and the movie is pulling from that and adapting it for a wider audience. Why are so many acting so suprised that the movie wants to take a more Sci-Fi approach when Sonic WAS Sci-Fi for a good 9 years? Sonic Adventure lends itself to a blockbuster action film. People keep saying "Who is the target audience for this movie??!?" The target is everyone. But they want to send a message this this Is not a Disney movie aimed at 6 year olds, they want to go deeper than that and strive for something greater. Paramount wants out of Sonic what they got out of Transformers and Sega wants out of Sonic what Hasbro got out of Bayformers success: Brand awareness. 

 

So no, An animated kids Pixar movie is not what either Party wants.

 

As for him being an alien. What is wrong with that? He was an alien in Sonic X and in the Archie comics, he's basically like an alien in a way since he's not natural. None of the Mobians are. What is the alternative? He's from another planet because it makes sense. 

Have you considered that these franchises that they want to emulate have been suffering from diminishing returns so drastic that one died and the other is undergoing a course correction so drastic that it's changed completely, tonally and aesthetically? Has that not clued you in that maybe this approach is a little bit dated? 

That's putting aside that you're talking like a studio executive that's interested in exploiting a popular franchise by strapping as many tropes and trends as you can think of to make money. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, but don't be surprised when someone doesn't want to see something dear to them represented en masse as flavorless schlock at best. 

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5 minutes ago, Bucket said:

What I'm REALLY curious about now is that teaser trailer from Brazil, where people said that Sonic looked fine and like the Sonic that everyone knows, only more 'realistic' but still cute and stuff... I really wonder how that's gonna fit in with what we've seen with this poster. That's also keeping me from worrying too much about his eyes being little beady black balls or something - I don't think the people who saw that trailer would've reacted so positively to it if his eyes had been changed THAT drastically.

To be honest, I don't think he looks any worse than the "real-life adaptations" of Pokemon in the new Detective Pikachu trailer. That being said, I do not care much for the designs of the Pokemon in the Detective Pikachu trailer. Smooth anime/cartoon fur translated to furry grizzly real life fur I think is actually what gives me the uncanny valley vibes the hardest.

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Well....uh

I can't say I'm surprised with how weird this looks, I predicted this years ago. Judging by the sillhouete alone,  I think Detective Pikachu designs look far more appealing than this. 

Considering how much Sega isn't very fond of his eyes. I'm terrified of what the full image will look like. 

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Just now, Unidus said:

To be honest, I don't think he looks any worse than the "real-life: adaptations of Pokemon in the new Detective Pikachu trailer. That being said, I do not care much for the designs of the Pokemon in the Detective Pikachu trailer. Smooth anime/cartoon fur I think is actually what gives me the uncanny valley vibes the hardest.

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Really? That looks like Pikachu with fur and more realistic eyes. A great adaption. To be honest, I prefer it to game/anime Pikachu.

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11 minutes ago, Bucket said:

What I'm REALLY curious about now is that teaser trailer from Brazil, where people said that Sonic looked fine and like the Sonic that everyone knows, only more 'realistic' but still cute and stuff... I really wonder how that's gonna fit in with what we've seen with this poster. That's also keeping me from worrying too much about his eyes being little beady black balls or something - I don't think the people who saw that trailer would've reacted so positively to it if his eyes had been changed THAT drastically.

Yeah,  this does come to mind.  Wonder where that is.

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4 hours ago, gato said:

Ahh yes, this will replace that Illbleed boss in my nightmares.

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At least that was more of a intentional parody of Sonic and it still had most of the recognizable cartoony elements of Sonic as opposed to the live action mutant That we’re apparently supposed to see as the official face for Sonic’s major debut in film.

Plus tbh, every other monster in Illbleed is much more creepy than Zodic.

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I'm still one of the more optimistic fans regarding the movie & still look forward to it.

 

5 minutes ago, KHCast said:

Also can we stop with this mentality that “cartoon” = “for kids”? Like seriously, most Disney cartoons are pretty relatable for even adults and can contain some very real grounded stories. Being a cartoon shouldn’t diminish your chances at being taken seriously.

Yeah, It bothers me too if people treat animated movies like trash.

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