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24 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

They can wait until June to release the trailer and it would still be perfectly reasonable time frame to start marketing. Seriously, I don't understand the insistence that they have to release a trailer NOW otherwise it means Paramount Is making a mistake or.. Hiding the movie? 😕 Paramount didn't release a trailer for Bayturtles until the movie was 5 months away 

Releasing a trailer that late is not always the most wise decision. The reason why it's smart if they released it online right now during this week (honestly as early as possible), while there's potentially nothing else being advertised, it could blow up online, and everyone will be talking about it. Then when they show the trailer during Endgame (which is in 2 weeks now), a movie that will likely reach over $1 billion in box office, people who saw the trailer online will be reminded of its existence, and people in the theater who hadn't seen it will get to see the trailer.

 

If they released it next week or waited until Endgame itself releases, it'll just get overshadowed by Endgame itself (Like how The Happy time Murders failed in box office even though the trailer was played during Deadpool 2). If they release it right now ahead of time, and THEN show it during Endgame, a lot of people will at least be aware of it, and will likely go out and see it.

This is pretty much the perfect time to release the trailer.

 

Also Paramount has officially stopped advertising their new film Pet Sematary, and they haven't uploaded anything on their YouTube channel for this week (normally they upload something every week). It's gonna be while before they start marketing Dora.

Sonic is likely going to be the next thing on their channel this week. They have literally nothing else to show right now, and it's perfect timing since every big film has already been advertised this month for Endgame.

 

If that Twitter post of that chick saying the trailer is coming very soon is true guys, and all this evidence pointing towards it...this might be it guys. Be prepared for anything this week.

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I expect we'll see a Terminator trailer before anything for Sonic.

 

4 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Just look at Tomb Raider for instance. That movie made a DECENT profit but MGM are hungry for franchises so they've greenlit another one. The truth is, we do not know how this movie is going to perform. But I can make an educated guess and say that there is a good chance this movie is at least a moderate success. 

Based on typical revenue splits it made a small loss for them but probably has done well enough on DVD and streaming to make it worth trying a sequel.

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1 hour ago, Gamecuber64 said:

This is pretty much the perfect time to release the trailer.

There is no perfect time to release it. There are pros and cons to everything.

Something you may want to consider is fatigue and over-saturation. The earlier you unleash something onto the masses, the longer period of time you will then be forced to keep their attention in the run up to the real deal. Dropping a trailer now may raise awareness for its existence, but its not going to sell any tickets this far in advance of the movie. Then as a marketing firm, you are tasked with keeping the attn of the public from waining too much all the way up until release. It doesn't do you much good to shove a product people can't buy in their faces, only to have them forget about when the time comes to put their cash down.

Then you have to consider oversaturation. Even if the trailer is awesome - subsequent trailers will likely have a diminished return on investment as people will already have been exposed to it and set expectations. Keeping people invested over 7 months, rather than 5 might require a presence that will eventually bore or even annoy people when it comes time for that final push. You can't just keep trotting material out there either - as you'll spoil too much of the film.  We've seen what happens when Sega tries to piece-meal hype material. Its not pretty and everyone ends up pissy.

 

There is no rush here. There shouldn't be a rush. It'll happen in due time.

 

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Going to update the timeline of the development of the movie

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2013:

Sony Pictures had acquired the rights for the Sonic Movie.

On December 3rd, Sony registered 3 web domains. They were sonicthehedgehog-movie.com, sonicthehedgehog-movie.net, and sonicthehedgehogmovie.net. None of these sites lead to anywhere. At that time, the movie haven't been yet confirmed in development.

2014:

On June 21, The Hollywood Reporter had reported that Sony had confirmed the movie is in developement. Marza will made the animation for the film.  It would be produced by Neal H. Moritz (Fast and the Furious movies, XXX, S.W.A.T., 21 Jump Street, The Green Hornet, Vantage Point, and Battle L.A.). The script will be written by Van Robichaux and Evan Susser (Fist Fight)  which, they were later no longer work on the movie.

2015:

No news happened at that time.

2016:

On February, the SEGA CEO, Hajime Satomi announced that the movie will be released in 2018.

On October 31, Tim Miller (Deadpool and Terminator: Dark Fate) was announced to be as a executive producer. His partner, Jeff Fowler (Gopher Broke) will direct the film, which make his first feature film. Van and Evan were replaced by Patrick Casey and Josh Miller (Golan the Insatiable) to write the script.

On December 17, the former writer, Van confirmed on Twitter that Sonic will get a redesign, but nothing extreme. He said that everybody wanted to look like and feel like Sonic.

2017:

On June 21, according to a interview with SEGA Networks' chief marketing officer, Mike Evans, he said that they had a movie coming in 2019, which means that the movie was push back to that year.

On October 2nd, Paramount Pictures had brought the rights for the Sonic movie, after Sony Pictures put it into turnaround. Despite this, all of the people who are currently working on the film remained.

2018:

On Feb 1st, Van hear that the script got changed and had become more action focused, since Tim had joined to work on the film.

On Feb 3rd, he later say that filming will start this summer, and that they are deep into the character tests.

Later on Feb 20, Paramount announced the release date for the film.

On March 5th, Omega Underground reported that the movie will begin filming in Atlanta starting July 30th. They also reported a rumor that Junkie XL will compose the score for the movie which later become true. However, later on April 1st, they reported that filming had been moved to Vancouver instead.

On April 25, A placeholder logo had been revealed at CinemaCon.

On May 29th, it was announced that Paul Rudd (Ant-Man, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and Anchorman) was in talks for the role of Tom, but the next day he was no longer in talks for the role. Other actors, Jack Black, Jason Segal, Owen Wilson, and Ed Helms were all considered. However, later on May 31, James Marsden was officially casted for the role of Tom. The budget for the film will be $90 million.

On June 7th, Tika Sumpter (Ride Along and Salt) had been casted for the female lead.

On June 9th, the Paramount Pictures CEO, Jim Gianopulos and Fast and Furious producer, Neal H. Moritz confirmed that Sonic will be a juvenile delinquent, the plot synopsis, and the movie's setting at during a Q&A at the 10th annual PGA produced by conference.

On June 30th, Jim Carrey (The Grinch, The Truman Show, The Mask, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, Dumb and Dumber, Kick-Ass 2, and A Series of Unfortunate Events) was in talks for the role of Dr. Eggman.

Filming had begin in Vancouver under the working title Casino Night on July 30th.

On August 7th, Jim confirmed he will be Dr. Eggman for the movie. The next day, Ben Schwartz (DuckTales, Night School, The Lego Movie 2: The Second Part, and Rise of the TMNT) had been casted as Sonic's voice actor.

On August 9th, Adam Pally (Making History and Iron Man 3) and Neal McDonough (Captain America: The First Avenger, Red 2, and Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2) had been casted in undisclosed roles. 

On August 30th, Paramount changes its release date to Nov. 8th.

On September 14th, filming begins in Ladysmith until Sept 27.

Filming wrapped up in Vancouver on Oct 16th.

Additional filming also took place in San Francisco on November.

On December 2018, footage have been revealed at the Brazil Comic-Con. Later, the other week, posters have been revealed, which caused backlash and controversy. A poster of a movie concept Sonic had been leaked. The Sonic Movie open up a Twitter account and posted its first post that contain a picture with Sonic holding a sign that says, Can't a guy workout? Be back next year. Love Sonic

2019:

On Jan. 7th, Jim Carrey mentioned the movie at the Golden Globes.

On Jan. 14th, the Sonic Movie Twitter posted a 2009 vs. 2019 meme post that had a picture of Sonic's Black Knight render and a screen that is loading.

On Jan. 25th the Sonc the Hedgehog Twitter posted a post about the fan feedback about the movie which had a picture of Tim, Jeff, Aaron and Iizuka all smiling at the SEGA HQ.

On Feb 13th,  the cast visited Blur Studio.  On that same day, Junkie XL had been confirmed to compose the score for the movie.

On Feb 18, Ben posted a picture of himself holding a Sonic Ice Cream which say the release date of the film on Twitter.

On March 4th, Sonic's official design had been leaked on a style guide, and then another look of him with Nike shoes had been revealed.

On March 8th, it was confirmed that the designs seen on the style guide were not actually the real designs.

On April 4th, two trailers were shown privately at CinemaCon. One of the actors, Tika Sumpter promised that the trailer will come out soon.

 

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5 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Eh. I dunno.I don't know if you can apply the logic like that.

Nintendo didn't dodge the silver bullet with Other M and Metroid was as AAA as they come. That franchise still hasn't recovered and just scrapped Prime 4 to start over. They know they are under the scope to produce.

Fallout and MGS just got sniped by 2 silver bullets in MGS Survive and Fallout 76. Those arn't first party games, but I think they would qualify as AAA franchises. Time will tell the damage that happens there.

I mean, I would like to think that the companies involved could do more from letting this kind of thing get so far out of hand, but hindsight is 20/20. We could cide Sega for makeing similar mistakes multiple times, but 06 was a perfect storm....

 

I agree the scars left by 06 are still visible, but there is no way you can say the series hasn't been ambitious. Unleashed in of itself was a all hands on deck back to the drawing board approach oozing with ambition. It redefined the next 10 years of Sonic games and you can feel the effort put behind it just by looking and listening to it. The exotic locales. the authentic musics, the new engine, Sonic Team buckled down and upped the ambition for that one. Even Rise of Lyric was a part of an incredibly ambitious multi-pronged assault to launch a new offshoot of the franchise. Boom was supposed to be its own thing - and they came out swinging with 2 games, a comic and a TV show. Funny how the games were the thing that dragged the whole operation down.

As bad as 06 was, it hasn't diminished the ambitions of the franchise. Its too strong for that. The movie won't change that either. Bioware didn't scare them off from western developers despite that shooting them in the foot. Boom's demise won't stop another TV series from popping up 6 or 7 years from now.

The series will do what it always has. Sidestep them find some new master plan to hitch its wagon to and roll with that until it can't. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't know too much about the Metroid series beyond that it stars a woman called Samus, that the Metroids are actually jellyfish-like aliens, that the first game had a maze of samey-looking doors, and yes; Other M got a lot of complaints.  However, if they were due to it being a blatantly unfinished glitchfest instead of just bad design, that is literally the first time I've ever heard of a Nintendo game being a blatantly unfinished glitchfest.  (Fallout I believe, since I experienced New Vegas.)  Shigeru Miyamoto's most famous quote, that a delayed game is eventually good while a bad game is bad forever, may not be as true now that patches exist, and it may not save a game that is broken conceptually, but it sure saved Nintendo from Sonic 06-level debacles so far as I can remember.

Sega doesn't have such ethics.  They haven't taken full responsibility for their meddling and rushing ruining what had been (with the exception of the beastiality) a solid formula, and since then, what you call "ambition" to me seems more like changing the formula into something simple enough not to be ruined in such a way.  After Sonic 06 and up until Sonic Mania, "improving" this series has largely consisted of pulling out a lot of things that weren't necessarily broken, putting in other things that weren't necessarily solid, and ultimately making the series more different from its original incarnation than ever.  But that's not a discussion for this thread.

1 hour ago, Alexios31 said:

It's either this week or the first week of May. 

I'm increasingly convinced it's going to be a trailer shown before Detective Pikachu.  With as much buzz as there's been comparing the two, it makes sense to do that.

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5 hours ago, Scritch the Cat said:

I don't know too much about the Metroid series beyond that it stars a woman called Samus, that the Metroids are actually jellyfish-like aliens, that the first game had a maze of samey-looking doors, and yes; Other M got a lot of complaints.  However, if they were due to it being a blatantly unfinished glitchfest instead of just bad design, that is literally the first time I've ever heard of a Nintendo game being a blatantly unfinished glitchfest.  (Fallout I believe, since I experienced New Vegas.)  Shigeru Miyamoto's most famous quote, that a delayed game is eventually good while a bad game is bad forever, may not be as true now that patches exist, and it may not save a game that is broken conceptually, but it sure saved Nintendo from Sonic 06-level debacles so far as I can remember.

Sega doesn't have such ethics.  They haven't taken full responsibility for their meddling and rushing ruining what had been (with the exception of the beastiality) a solid formula, and since then, what you call "ambition" to me seems more like changing the formula into something simple enough not to be ruined in such a way.  After Sonic 06 and up until Sonic Mania, "improving" this series has largely consisted of pulling out a lot of things that weren't necessarily broken, putting in other things that weren't necessarily solid, and ultimately making the series more different from its original incarnation than ever.  But that's not a discussion for this thread.

I'm increasingly convinced it's going to be a trailer shown before Detective Pikachu.  With as much buzz as there's been comparing the two, it makes sense to do that.

Thats why I said the first week of may. 

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8 hours ago, Alexios31 said:

It's either this week or the first week of May. 

I wonder if Paramount is waiting until AFTER Detective Pikachu has left theaters to release it. Pikachu has gotten a lot of positive buzz (Eh) whereas Sonic has been harshly criticized.

Maybe they're waiting for the public to forget about Pikachu before showing off Sonic? The two have been compared a lot.

Idk. It's gonna be fun to watch the internet implode when that trailer is finally released.

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2 hours ago, Myst said:

I wonder if Paramount is waiting until AFTER Detective Pikachu has left theaters to release it. Pikachu has gotten a lot of positive buzz (Eh) whereas Sonic has been harshly criticized.

Maybe they're waiting for the public to forget about Pikachu before showing off Sonic? The two have been compared a lot.

Idk. It's gonna be fun to watch the internet implode when that trailer is finally released.

Oh I doubt it. 

 

Trailer SHOULD be attached to the movie. Massively wasted opportunity if its not. 

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3 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

Is the movie likely to be PG or PG-13? Detective Pikachu is rated PG. I know this film is going to be for the whole family. Maybe it will be PG-13, because it will definitely contain a lot of action.

I mean, even if it is PG-13, It could still be attached to Pikachu. I saw the Pikachu trailer with Shazam and that was also aimed at families 

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55 minutes ago, Rabid-Coot said:

Isn't there some rule about ratings and not showing trailers above the rating the film  showing is?

No, higher rated films get advertised at lower rated ones as long as the trailer is clean enough. Wreck-It Ralph is a Disney movie but I remember seeing at least two Trailers for films that ended up PG-13 (One of them was probably a Fast and Furious movie or Mission Impossible, hard to say since that was awhile ago)

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We still have EveningStar.  Or at least, we could have EveningStar again; this time making a Sonic game that has more original content.  Sega likes money, is opportunistic about getting it, and will take Sonic some bad places if that provides an opportunity to make money...but will also take it some good places.  I say to the fans, keep making fan projects; you never know when Sega will repeat its rare good idea of hiring fangamers to make an official Sonic game.

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1 hour ago, do a barrel roll said:

The series will more than likely still be around after the movie of course, but there likely won't be anything good to come out of it, and if there is, it'll probably just be another blue moon situation. Sonic will likely become a franchise zombie for the most part like he has been (bar a few exceptions) since 2006. I really hope that won't be the case, but given the track record of this series I'd honestly be kind of surprised if this series becomes able to produce consistently good content in the foreseeable future.

 

I mean... still, the Sonic movie not by made by SEGA doesn't mean that every new game will be a failure. The series resuming to business as usual (mostly mediocre, with an exceptional title here and there) after the movie comes out wouldn't make it the official marker of the death of the franchise's quality. It'd just be a thing that happened, and then things continue as they have for the past years.

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On 7/4/2018 at 10:21 PM, CaptainRobo said:

I think she will be some random girl who will help Sonic and the Cop. Or maybe, she will play an veterinarian who work at an small town animal hospital?

Back in July,  one of my guesses of what role of Tika Sumpter will be playing as was that she will be an veterinarian. According to that Reddit leak, Tika will played an veterinarian named Annie. So, I got a lucky guess, eh?

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0:27 Yup, you guessed right.

I hope we get a scene where Tom comes in with a pet cage after tranquilizing Sonic..

Tom: Hey, so um, You treat animals here right? 

Annie: Of course. 

Tom: Good, because I got something you've probably never seen before.

Annie: Oh please. In my line of work, you see 'em all. Cats, dogs, horses..

(Unconsious Sonic plops onto table)

Annie: (recoils in shock) WOAH! WHAT THE HECK IS THAT THING!?!

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