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10 minutes ago, Detective Kaito said:

See all those reaction videos on Youtube? If Sonic didn't look horrible these videos wouldn't exist.

Being the first ever real Sonic movie, I'm pretty sure most of them would exist purely for that fact either way. Reaction vidoes are all the craze these days.

10 minutes ago, Detective Kaito said:

I really hope they don't do a sequel, but it seems inevitable.

For me, that Robotnik scene at the end of the trailer already screams setting it up for a sequel...which tells everything we need to know about their motivations. The first ever trailer for the movie and they're already implying a sequel.

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17 hours ago, Diogenes said:

I mean. Unless the writers decide they do. And it's not hard to imagine reasons why they might want or need to turn off their powers; super strong guy keeps breaking things, super senses guy gets overwhelmed trying to process everything, super healing guy turns into tumor man. Or maybe their powers just burn too much energy passively or something. It's hard to say that a superpower can't do or be something when they're a made up idea and different interpretations serve different kinds of stories.

There are plenty of reasons to turn off super powers, sure (except maybe Tumor Man, have yet to see Wolverine deal with that but I could be wrong) but now you also have just turned off a trial for the super empowered to overcome. You've made life easier instead of challenging the character to come to terms with who or what they are. It's actually one of the very few things I liked in Man of Steel seeing Clark growing up and having to deal with what our sun's radiation did to him and learning to live with it and accept as just part of who he was. It's off hand the only time I can think of someone having to actually deal with the feedback of their superpowers instead of it being ignored or them having an off switch. If you know some stories where the don't actually have it and have to deal with the feedback without developing an off switch please share cause I'd love to see it instead of seeing the daftness of the Beast from the X-Men is suddenly human again because of a being whose presence cancels out genetic code, or you know; their powers.

Just to also throw out a bad example of the off switch of a physical ability though while it's on my mind, say you walk down the street and witness a skunk spray a dog that got to close. That is going to reek, make your eyes water, and possibly even leave you feeling nauseous. It absolutely sucks and you have to make a decision so to deal with the situation before your reaction gets worse. There is a challenge to overcome and any number of approaches that you can take, or you could spontaneously for the situation have the ability to disconnect your sense of smell and stroll on as though nothing happened. It'd be nice to be sure but completely ignores how a human being is wired, undermines any challenge presented by the situation, and narratively defeats the entire purpose of the encounter while demonstrating that their is no reason to worry about the feedback from the ability because you can just turn it off and not be inconvenienced.

I personally find the on/off switch for superpowers just to make life easier on the writers so they can tell their story taking the easy way out and avoiding actually exploring the character and what it means to be them. Now that isn't to say that some abilities aren't designed to be on and off like Spider-Man's ability to stick to most surfaces (though he's based on a spider so there is real world precedent for him to able to not stick to everything), but I unfortunately almost always see the off switch both as an option to the hero so they can either be vulnerable to the mundane for the plot and to make the writer's life easier, or so they can live normally without actually dealing with what they are all while also having that switch be an option for the overly cliched villain turned off the powers plotline. So rarely seeing it actually handled without the off switch as an option is part of why it just gets under my skin so much. Heck, just once I'd love to see a villain with their superpower off switch for the plot use it against somebody who is just naturally that way and thus have no effect. It would be a fairly cathartic moment for me.

14 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I believe the idea is that the kid character, is sonic. The character the children are supposed to identify with is sonic, he will be a wiley rascal trying to help occasionally messing things up and basically be the weird grimlin baby of the cop character.

Boy this eats at me so much. It's not that I don't see it, but rather that it goes so against how I perceived Sonic as a kid. Sonic wasn't one of the gang, he was that cool teenager we all wanted to be like. We weren't supposed to relate with him, we were supposed to be enamored with what he was and wonder how to be like that ourselves.

I know that viewpoint of mine is pretty unpopular but it does unfortunately just make this point so much worse to me.

7 minutes ago, ShadowSJG said:

Also, here is naoto ooshima's thoughts:

 

I feel sorry for Oshima and Naka. They with everyone else involved put so much effort into something that would make them world famous and become globally iconic and now their work has been bastardized but unfortunately not far enough to be beyond all recognition leaving them to see their creation at heart of the most intense backlash it has probably ever seen. 06 is a joke and the butt of any joke provoking Sonic (bar Shadow's game) but Tim Miller's insisted upon realistic take has brought out so much hatred and negativity and that is all aimed at their creation. It's absolutely horrible and just plain sucks.

Speaking of that negativity, I've even been seeing at work where I never see anyone talk about Sonic the Hedgehog of all things and everyone I saw talking about it hated it. And then there is my younger brother who finally just caught a glimpse of the trailer's thumbnail and said that was enough to make him want to vomit. As much as I dislike what I've seen it astounds me how something made for harmless entertainment has brought out so much hate, anger, and just negativity in general. Something went wrong with this movie and that is just the one fact that I feel everyone can agree on.

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9 minutes ago, Sonic Fan J said:

(except maybe Tumor Man, have yet to see Wolverine deal with that but I could be wrong)

Not that I want to go off topic... But ever hear of Deadpool? He has the same healing power as Wolverine... except that same healing power also backfired on him. And I think what they said was referencing him.

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2 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Ever hear of Deadpool? He has the same healing power as Wolverine... except that same healing power also backfired on him. And I think what they said was referencing him.

Admittedly forgot about Deadpool, which isn't too surprising since I typically don't follow him or news on him all that often.

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2 hours ago, Meta77 said:

That edit just says roger rabbit cartoon. They were trying to go with a more realistic approach than a game character model straight from the game verse.

Which was a bad call from the start. Sonic is a cartoon. He was designed to be one. Naoto Ohshima and Yuji Naka, the fathers of Sonic, said that. There's no such thing as realistic Sonic. You're either realistic, or you're not Sonic. 

If they didn't wanted to lift the model straight from the game, fearing that it would look too much like a talking and walking action figure, at least keep the same proportions, the same silhouette, like Detective Pikachu. 

But don't do that. Never do that. 

Does anyone here really believes that looking out of place is worse or the same as looking ugly as heck? It's a CARTOON character. It will ALWAYS look out of place. So they might aswell make it look good, cute, nice... anything but what they did. Even worse, they decided that Sonic is an ALIEN in this movie, so there's no reason why it should look like it "belongs". 

They fucked up, man. No excuse.

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47 minutes ago, Detective Kaito said:

I'm sure Paramount are just happy that the trailer is almost 20 million in less that 3 days.

It already got more views in 1 day than their trailer of Gemini Man (that stars Will Smith) did in 1 week, so I'm sure they're really happy. And if that's the case then this really reinforces the idea that they don't give a damn about Sonic's design, he was obviously made that way on purpose to get a lot of reactions from people. No such thing as bad publicity, they say.

See all those reaction videos on Youtube? If Sonic didn't look horrible these videos wouldn't exist.

This movie is definitely going to make a lot of money, or at least make back it's $90 million budget. I really hope they don't do a sequel, but it seems inevitable.

If the movie is decently funny and sonic games do not follow this direction going forward, I'd be fine with that. When all we had was the "jacked sonic" silhouette months ago I was worried, but seeing it in motion calmed me down a bit. The movie seems like it has enough ingredients to positively surprise people, at least in a minor way, if people can be open minded about it and realize it's not going to change anything about what they come to the franchise for long term.

But seems like I'm in the minority in the sonic community on this one. 

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48 minutes ago, UpCDownCLeftCRightC said:

If the movie is decently funny and sonic games do not follow this direction going forward, I'd be fine with that. When all we had was the "jacked sonic" silhouette months ago I was worried, but seeing it in motion calmed me down a bit. The movie seems like it has enough ingredients to positively surprise people, at least in a minor way, if people can be open minded about it and realize it's not going to change anything about what they come to the franchise for long term.

But seems like I'm in the minority in the sonic community on this one. 

Well yes because most of us realize this is a mere cash grab movie and nothing more, you are apparently fine with any old horseshit given to you.

If this movie had a walking pile of cow dung in it I guess that would be okay with you.

 

Face it this is just shit faced Hollywood at it again, another shitty live action video game adaptation along the lines of Double Dragon or the Mario brothers movie but the added crap tastic live action cartoon aspect like the Live action Garfield or live action Alvin and the chipmunks.

 

Me at this stage I at least hope for something on the quality of the 1994 Street fighter movie and while that movie isn't very good at least its funny in its own respect.

I hope Carry channels the spirit of Raul Julia at least

 

 

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30 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

Me at this stage I at least hope for something on the quality of the 1994 Street fighter movie and while that movie isn't very good at least its funny in its own respect.

I hope Carry channels the spirit of Raul Julia at least

 

He's just being stereotypical Jim Carrey. I wouldn't expect anything we haven't seen before.

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3 minutes ago, Pawn said:

He's just being stereotypical Jim Carrey. I wouldn't expect anything we haven't seen before.

Eh Carrey can be a good actor, my second favourite movie is the Truman show where he gives a great performance.

Sure he at first acts like typical Jim Carrey but at the end he becomes a more well rounded actor.

The number 23 is also a great film, making Carry very menacing and downright horrifying.

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1 minute ago, MadmanRB said:

Eh Carrey can be a good actor, my second favourite movie is the Truman show where he gives a great performance.

Sure he at first acts like typical Jim Carrey but at the end he becomes a more well rounded actor.

The number 23 is also a great film, making Carry very menacing and downright horrifying.

Yes, but this is neither of those films. It's a low budget action film aimed at kids.

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37 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

Well yes because most of us realize this is a mere cash grab movie and nothing more, you are apparently fine with any old horseshit given to you.

If this movie had a walking pile of cow dung in it I guess that would be okay with you.

 

Face it this is just shit faced Hollywood at it again, another shitty live action video game adaptation along the lines of Double Dragon or the Mario brothers movie but the added crap tastic live action cartoon aspect like the Live action Garfield or live action Alvin and the chipmunks.

 

Me at this stage I at least hope for something on the quality of the 1994 Street fighter movie and while that movie isn't very good at least its funny in its own respect.

I hope Carry channels the spirit of Raul Julia at least

 

 

Why do so many fans in this fandom do this. What's horeshit to one may not be to another. I have coworkers kids in my office that are talking about this. Some seemed interested but noting concrete.  but for them they could very much like it and want to see more. Just like many enjoy ttg. There is no need to sit and say they wanting to see this is just accepting any crap given to them if it's what THEY like.

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8 minutes ago, Pawn said:

Yes, but this is neither of those films. It's a low budget action film aimed at kids.

Yeah but i still have a feeling he is going to steal this movie much like he did Batman Forever, or the Cable guy for that matter.

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Why do so many fans in this fandom do this. What's horeshit to one may not be to another. I have coworkers kids in my office that are talking about this. Some seemed interested but noting concrete.  but for them they could very much like it and want to see more. Just like many enjoy ttg. There is no need to sit and day they wanting to see this is just accepting any crap given to them if it's what THEY like.

Meh this is why we have the smurfs movie you know.... low standards.

At best this is bargain basement $3 bin material nothing more.

Its like carrying a torch when you are head deep in pig shit, there is no defending this I'm sorry.

The only thing I like here so far is Carry but even that is pushing it

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7 minutes ago, MadmanRB said:

Yeah but i still have a feeling he is going to steal this movie much like he did Batman Forever, or the Cable guy for that matter.

I'm just trying to point out that Jim Carrey is playing heavily on nostalgia in the trailer (which is likely what he's been directed to do), rather than putting in the kind of effort that Raul Julia did with Bison. It's likely that we've already seen some of the best stuff too...

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5 minutes ago, Pawn said:

I'm just trying to point out that Jim Carrey is playing heavily on nostalgia in the trailer (which is likely what he's been directed to do), rather than putting in the kind of effort that Raul Julia did with Bison. It's likely showing some of the best stuff too...

Perhaps, but hey if this is typical Jim Carry i am actually fine with this as he can be very fun even in his worst roles.

He is still a utter delight in the live action How the Grinch stole Christmas movie, that movie is also pig shit but man he is just eating the movie for breakfast like green eggs and ham and that alone makes that movie put its head above the pig shit.

Sure most of the body is still submerged but its still all the better for it.

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8 minutes ago, Pawn said:

Yes, but this is not either one of those films. It's a low budget action film aimed at kids.

Yea, I can't make the edgy PG-13 blockbuster justification anymore because this movie is clearly aimed at small children. And that weakens Tim Miller's excuse for Sonic looking realistic. If your audience is children who don't care about aesthetics and realism, why are you trying to make the character realistic? A cartoony design would have worked a lot better with the type of movie they're trying to make

Interesting 

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11 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

 

Interesting 

Now if that is true good on them for realizing the design sucks after the backlash.

I have no ill will at the designers here, CGI isnt as easy as it sounds but at the same time they should have known better.

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I doubt they'll be able to fix so much. There's so many things wrong about this design that they won't do a lot besides minor tweaks.

Yeah I dont think they will be that drastic in the changes this long into production and saying rthe film is going to be out november.

They would have to crunch real hard and i rather not have them do that.

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If you like the design and/or the film, great.  You can explain without insulting people's tastes or intelligence.

If you hate the design and/or the film, great.  You can explain without insulting people's tastes or intelligence.

Thanks! 

 

Fair enough then, but honestly I dont see why anyone would bother with this movie outside of something to shut the kids up with
 

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They might delay the movie to 2020

I certainly hope so

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21 hours ago, Myst said:

The trailer is far from perfect, but nearly 400k dislikes? I mean, it's not THAT bad people.

But it is nice to see that 48 hours later, the trailer is still #1 trending on YouTube, even above Detective Pikachu!

Also the amount of likes, while overshadowed by dislikes, are still pretty impressive. 248K likes is no small number. And that's not counting the amount of likes on other channels like Paramount UK, Furious Trailer, Kinocheck, Accesstrailers, etc.

Dislikes must be illegitimate, likes must be legitimate.  Well, it's an interpretation.

On 5/2/2019 at 1:54 AM, PaddyFancy said:

This is beginning to sound like the live-action Thunderbirds movie. It was far removed from the original source material, and basically looked like a Spy Kids movie. Most of the Tracy family was stuck in space for most of the film while they had Alan Tracy (astronaut of Thunderbird 3 in the TV series) as a kid, fighting off the advances of the Hood and two bumbling Hoodlums alongside a kid Tin-Tin and a young son of Brains. Also it looked like a product placement film for Ford (something that even the director Jonathan Frakes admitted), since all the vehicles were Fords. That was because FAB1, Lady Penelope's car, was a Ford rather than a Rolls-Royce

The thing in @CaptainRobo 's post about SEGA being shut out reminds me of how Gerry Anderson, the creator of Thunderbirds, was shut out of being a creative consultant because there were enough creative people on the payroll. When Anderson finally got to see it, he called it "the biggest load of crap I have ever seen in my entire life". Relatively speaking, apart from the language used, he prefered Team America: World Police more.

I could relate to those who had been waiting for Sonic to make his first full length big screen appearance. Thunderbirds was and still is a big thing for me. In terms of televisual entertainment, Thunderbirds and lots of other Gerry Anderson works are the biggest thing for me these days. Thunderbirds already had two puppet movies back in the 60s which flopped (like Sonic has that OVA which was the closest thing to a Sonic movie at the time), but knowing of the existance of a Thunderbirds live-action movie was pretty exciting to me. That movie had a song written by Busted! called "Thunderbirds Are Go", and the band were at their prime at the time. I used to watch the music video to that on the free music channels all the time. It was so hype everytime I saw it. That single went to number one and was their last number one to date.

So some could imagine what I felt like when I went to the cinema to finally see one of my favourite shows make its live-action big screen debut. Wow

Aaaand at the time it was OK. My 15 year old self wasn't seriously impressed with it, and now I wouldn't break my heart if I never watched it again. Its gotten worse over time. Its just not a Thunderbirds movie. I'd seriously consider the puppet movies "Thunderbirds Are Go" and "Thunderbird 6" are better movies for the franchise because it has International Rescue doing what they do best, attempting epic rescues.

I was just thinking about the Thunderbirds movie earlier, actually; a movie for which, on reflection, I understand why they made a lot of the decisions that they did, but wow was the execution awful.  But they did get one thing right: They didn't mess with the machines.  They didn't play down the cartooniness of the designs or make them more edgy and realistic; a few tweaks here and there, but overall same silhouette, same vibrant colour schemes - same design overall, instantly recognisable.  It's right there in the title, Thunderbirds; and moreover, I'm sure they sensed that what they were making was ultimately a partially toyetic product and that historically toys of the Thunderbirds had done very well.

Meanwhile, in the Sonic movie, we have ugly humanoid Sonic, and boring, grey hunks of machinery.  I'm no fan of a purely commercialistic venture, but you'd have thought they'd at least want to get it right for the toy sales.

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