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30 minutes ago, Pawn said:

Because many kids in their target demographic are more likely to think something being realistic makes it cooler. Shadow the Hedgehog was probably enjoyed more by pre-teens than teens, for example, despite the alleged intended audience.

Unfortunately, at the end of the day, it's more of a risk financially to make an effort and produce a good (and faithful) film. It's a shame, because I think Sonic has more going for it than most video game series do. It has a wide appeal among children and adults, well-designed characters, obvious links to the popular superhero genre and lends itself well to comic moments. Perfect ingredients for a fully CGI movie and of course, merchandise. There are enough characters and lore for a talented writer to work with, but nothing so important that couldn't be altered to serve a more story-driven format. We've also seen how incredible Sonic and his world can look, thanks to the pre-rendered animation in Unleashed and beyond. But big budget animated films are relatively rare for a reason and taking any kind of chance on a video game property is not all that attractive to studios after so many failures. Then there's SEGA, who would actually have to take an active role without interfering too much (a balance they rarely seem to get right). Let's not forget how Ubisoft managed to end up with the horrendously boring Assassin's Creed of 2016 despite the talent involved.

While I think Pikachu looks a lot better, I don't think it's a fair comparison when the success of Go likely proved to Hollywood that the franchise could attract as many as adults as children. Pokemon's also proven a multimedia success with anime, movies, trading cards and merchandise in a way that no other video game series has been able to match. It's literally the most successful franchise in the world. Adapting Ash and chums or a more traditional Pokemon story in general might have been a challenge, but they didn't need to, since Detective Pikachu had come along and given them a solid narrative to work with. Sonic was never going to get the same treatment. Very few IPs would.

It fucking sucks, but it's why I'm not too surprised by the result.

EDIT: Went on a slight tangent there, but I wanted to get my thoughts out at some point and this is as good a time as any.

Well, hopefully they listen to the complaints and give us something closer to the traditional design. 

 

I hope they get rid of the blue arms 

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This is gonna be horrible for the animators working on this. If it is a big change they'll probably be in crunch time, and I doubt they'd be paid any more than they already are.

If it's a minor change, I'm not sure, as I'm not an animator myself. Maybe it wouldn't take much work to slightly tweak the model. But we've only got 6 months to the release date either way. I'd rather have this design than force animators to try and fix this in such a short amount of time.

On the subject of the movie itself, I enjoyed the trailer and I don't mind the design very much. That's pretty much it. Looking forward to watching it, honestly.

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4 hours ago, Tarnish said:

Being the first ever real Sonic movie, I'm pretty sure most of them would exist purely for that fact either way. Reaction vidoes are all the craze these days.

You’re right but, would the one dominating aspect of all the thumbnails be that same gaping mouth shot if that didn’t stand out from the trailer the way it did?

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I guess I should do a small victory dance. The collective and pure vitriol for the design en masse has forced a change. However with the good comes the bad - as we are now trusting these revisions to the same people who thought this current model was a good idea in the first place (Marza seems to be less and less involved with this) and without a delay this could turn half the movie into a rush job, which would also not be ideal.

I'm sure Fowler consulted with his CGI people as to what could be changed in what time period. I think he is a co-owner of Blur after all (or something to that effect). He should be pretty plugged into what can be done at this stage of the game.

 

Side note: I saw some of Naka's posts earlier where he expressed disappointment in not being remembered to be included in the film. If thats true, then that is the single biggest, easiest Easter egg opportunity you could whiff on. I hope they get that rectified while they go back to the drawing board on Sonic.

 

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24 minutes ago, Razule said:

How could this design have gone so far without test audiences saying something.. or maybe they did, and it was actually varying levels of worse before?

I can imagine the test audience either being blind, people frozen in cryogenic chambers since 1987, or Amish folk or literal people who were living under rocks.

Considering how recognized sonic is all three are possible, sure Sonic isnt wide spread anymore but he is still widely known.

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28 minutes ago, Razule said:

How could this design have gone so far without test audiences saying something.. or maybe they did, and it was actually varying levels of worse before?

Well, the current rumor mill is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't like the design, but the film crew or whoever the hell it is that's in charge of it ignored it.

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How much can they realistically change at this point? Props for listening, and I hate being mean as he seems like a good guy, but like... I don't see them making this movie into something we all like without going full Metroid Prime 4 on this shit.

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6 minutes ago, DreamSaturn said:

Well, the current rumor mill is that Sega and Sonic Team didn't like the design, but the film crew or whoever the hell it is that's in charge of it ignored it.

And now they face our wrath, yup good jorb viacom for ignoring the bloody company who created sonic in the first place.

Sure i taken the piss on Sega and Sonic team but when they know you are dong something wrong there is only one logical thing to do:

 

You know you done fucked up when the company behind this monkey turd is telling you no:

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When Sonic 06 is looking better than you know got issues.

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https://twitter.com/milkykau/status/1123453421980389377?s=19

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Just... Do this.

I don't care if it is not ideal, I don't care if he still has two eyes, fix his face to be something I can look at, this is a realistic change, is not impossible to make them change him to look like this. Delay this movie to 2020 and DO NOT OVERWORK ANIMATORS FOR YOUR STUPID HIGHER (FUCK) UPS MISTAKES.

 

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5 minutes ago, JosepHenry said:

https://twitter.com/milkykau/status/1123453421980389377?s=19

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Just... Do this.

I don't care if it is not ideal, I don't care if he still has two eyes, fix his face to be something I can look at, this is a realistic change, is not impossible to make them change him to look like this. Delay this movie to 2020 and DO NOT OVERWORK ANIMATORS FOR YOUR STUPID HIGHER (FUCK) UPS MISTAKES.

 

Yeah i can work with this, because in all honesty the rest of the CGI model they have now is okay.... sure it could be shorter and have less human proportions but at least the face can be fixed.

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I don't think fixing the design is a viable option at this point. Seems like damage-control PR talk to me (and if they DO change something it'll be something like... changing his eyes to green or adding even more shoelaces). It's like the movie version of 2006, it's flawed to the core and the only thing that could have been done to save it would be to scrap it early in development and start over.

I mentioned earlier in this topic that I'd be willing to see the movie for Carrey alone, but I don't think I'll do that now. I have no interest in the movie nor do I feel compelled to give it a chance. I'll check out some clips of his scenes on Youtube if nothing else.

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They are not going to change much. You got 5 months to fix something important to nearly the entire film. I expect small changes UNLESS they force them to work huge overtime. But people will be upset with them if they force them to do that. Its a double edged sword from here on out.

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3 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

They are not going to change much. You got 5 months to fix something important to nearly the entire film. I expect small changes UNLESS they force them to work huge overtime. But people will be upset with them if they force them to do that. Its a double edged sword from here on out.

I say a delay would be better, fuck Viacoms original deadline of November 8th 2019....

Give the animation team a chance and fix this.... it can be done but not in this short about of time.

Another year Viacom, please for the sake of Odin/Ra/ Zeus/Jesus/ God/ Allah/ Buddha/Vishnu/Flying spaghetti monster/Invisible pink unicorn/Tarvu/the subgenious!

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I find it interesting to see this happening at all in response to the backlash as it will undoubtedly raise the film's budget to make any changes minor or otherwise and I just find it hard to believe that investors are willing to pay more for this after the backlash that has occurred. Is there really belief amongst those ponying up the money for this that correcting the design will more than make up for the costs and risk of a delay costing even more money? It's become a very curious scenario to me.

2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

Its much like how archie characters used to do it. Teen characters trying to appeal to children because they are supposed to be someone aspiring or someone you could relate to. For example while I never wanted to be like sonic, characters like shadow I related to on some level because I had gone though things. Standard stuff , pretty common, TMNT does it, sailor moon does it. Its very VERY standard.

So for someone to not get this, when its very apparent and written all over the character, seems like a pretty big woopsie

I'm not quite sure if you're saying that I didn't get Sonic's intent and that was a mistake or if you are reacting to a different perspective. Your wording is kind of a little odd. Since it does read though as if it is aimed at my perspective I'll respond as such.

I turned 6 in August of 1991, the same year I was introduced to Sonic and the idea of him being the cool teenager that a grade-schooler like me would look up to. This was through the marketing of him where I lived in Arizona and even my friends at school had the same outlook. It was even easier for us to come to that perspective of Sonic as well because as it turns out one member of our group actually had the cool teenage older brother that everyone looked up to and wondered how to be like that. He was our real life Sonic and because of the distance between us grade-schoolers and a teenager Sonic was not relatable, he was larger than life and awe inspiring. He was cool incarnate to us and to me at least he inspired me to do my best when playing to see him at his best which was only further cemented with Sonic CD.

So if I missed the point that he was supposed to be relatable to a 6 year old when I was a 6 year old because he was being advertised as a larger than life teenage rebel then the advertising must have missed the point as well putting the whoopsie on them and not me. That or as you find Shadow relatable due your life experiences my life experiences and introduction to the character are why I see him as a larger than life character not to relate to, but to be inspired by, and since for the longest time I was able to see that narrative in the games it must have been there to some extent. Telling me that 6 year old me misinterpreted how I was supposed to perceive Sonic as relatable to me instead of as larger than life as teenagers to me at that time were seems more than a little harsh and condescending.

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This bullshit comes out in November. If the animators are forced to crunch their time on re-working his design before it comes out then they're all going to age 50 years in the span of a few months.

And he might even look worse. We see him again, he'll be melting.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

This bullshit comes out in November. If the animators are forced to crunch their time on re-working his design before it comes out then they're all going to age 50 years in the span of a few months.

And he might even look worse. We see him again, he'll be melting.

Yeah I really blame viacom for such a deadline, but maybe its time to stick it to investors for a change.

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6 minutes ago, Sonic Fan J said:

I find it interesting to see this happening at all in response to the backlash as it will undoubtedly raise the film's budget to make any changes minor or otherwise and I just find it hard to believe that investors are willing to pay more for this after the backlash that has occurred. Is there really belief amongst those ponying up the money for this that correcting the design will more than make up for the costs and risk of a delay costing even more money? It's become a very curious scenario to me.

I'm not quite sure if you're saying that I didn't get Sonic's intent and that was a mistake or if you are reacting to a different perspective. Your wording is kind of a little odd. Since it does read though as if it is aimed at my perspective I'll respond as such.

I turned 6 in August of 1991, the same year I was introduced to Sonic and the idea of him being the cool teenager that a grade-schooler like me would look up to. This was through the marketing of him where I lived in Arizona and even my friends at school had the same outlook. It was even easier for us to come to that perspective of Sonic as well because as it turns out one member of our group actually had the cool teenage older brother that everyone looked up to and wondered how to be like that. He was our real life Sonic and because of the distance between us grade-schoolers and a teenager Sonic was not relatable, he was larger than life and awe inspiring. He was cool incarnate to us and to me at least he inspired me to do my best when playing to see him at his best which was only further cemented with Sonic CD.

So if I missed the point that he was supposed to be relatable to a 6 year old when I was a 6 year old because he was being advertised as a larger than life teenage rebel then the advertising must have missed the point as well putting the whoopsie on them and not me. That or as you find Shadow relatable due your life experiences my life experiences and introduction to the character are why I see him as a larger than life character not to relate to, but to be inspired by, and since for the longest time I was able to see that narrative in the games it must have been there to some extent. Telling me that 6 year old me misinterpreted how I was supposed to perceive Sonic as relatable to me instead of as larger than life as teenagers to me at that time were seems more than a little harsh and condescending.

Not you , the movie studio

You are fine

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