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1 hour ago, Myst said:

All right guys, I know this is NOT going to happen, this is really just pie in the sky, wishful thinking, but humor me for a second.

WHAT IF this trailer was indeed a troll to spread awareness for the Sonic movie? This trailer was unveiled a week ago, a week PRIOR to Detective Pikachu. (Everyone was expecting this to be with Pikachu) So for a whole week the internet has been talking about Sonic the Hedgehog's teeth and legs. Entertainment Tonight, Colbert, CNN. Even got a quick mention on SNL's Weekend Update. Free advertising!

Then, abruptly Fowler mentions a redesign is incoming (48 hours after the trailer was shown? Isn't that a bit quick to make such a shocking announcement? Wouldn't there have to be meetings with CEOs, shareholders and executives before even CONSIDERING something as costly and time consuming as a redesign for a major motion picture?)

So anyway, Sonic gets a whole week of media coverage. WHAT IF Paramount is about to steathily drop a trailer secretly with Pikachu with THE REAL designs?

How genius would that be? That trailer would be in the back of everyone's mind while they are still watching Pikachu.

I know, I know, it's a long shot. A real, REAL long shot.

But I just noticed this: it's a page with ratings for movie trailers. Sonic's trailer was added May 3rd, days after the trailer had already gone public on YouTube & Twitter. And strangely, the runtime is different than the trailer we saw last week. Last week's trailer was 2:47. This trailer however, is shorter than that, running at 2:25.

https://www.alberta.ca/recently-rated-trailers.aspx

I've had this thought too. Everything else aside, it's the fact that the decision to change the design was made so quickly that raises my eyebrows. Six months and they're gonna change something like that? With no reason to think they'll be done or that it'll be better or even on par with the current design? Like, everything about this movie SCREAMS executive incompetence and indifference but this is pushing on my suspension of disbelief. Like, these executives might be out of touch but they HAVE made movies with  animation and animated character design in them before. Someone's gotta know how long it would take to not only make ANY kind of meaningful change, but changes for the noticeably better.

Though occam's razor, they're much more likely just really incompetent and out of touch.

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Actually, had a thought. How many shots in the trailer are there where we see any of the actors talking to and looking at Sonic in the same frame? Where they're actually both in the shot at the same time? I can think of one, MAYBE two (both where they're in the truck). If we're entertaining the possibility that this was a fake trailer made as a publicity stunt, wouldn't the fact that changing Sonic's design and animation would have little to no effect on the actor's performances that we've seen mean that drastic changes are less unlikely?

Purely hypothetically. I don't honestly think the trailer was faked but I thought it was interesting that there's another thing adding slight credence to the theory.

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6 minutes ago, herefor1reason said:

Actually, had a thought. How many shots in the trailer are there where we see any of the actors talking to and looking at Sonic in the same frame? Where they're actually both in the shot at the same time? I can think of one, MAYBE two (both where they're in the truck). If we're entertaining the possibility that this was a fake trailer made as a publicity stunt, wouldn't the fact that changing Sonic's design and animation would have little to no effect on the actor's performances that we've seen mean that drastic changes are less unlikely?

By the same token, wouldn't this make the CGI easier to insert anyway?  It doesn't just apply to a hypothetical (extremely silly) pre-planned character replacement - sure, let's spend millions of dollars making our first impression as bad as possible - but to crafting any computer-generated design and inserting it into shot.  Like when TV shows have a single actor portraying twins or multiple versions of themselves; there'll be a handful of shots where they're apparently "together," but mostly they're separate because it's easier on the special effects budget.

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Yeah, the fact that, rather than just make a good first impression, they'd do some expensive, convoluted PR scheme really pokes giant holes in the idea that it was planned. I think the main reason I've even been entertaining the Idea is that it's just...WEIRD that they'd decide to change the design so quickly, so easily. Even with the backlash,  it doesn't make a ton of sense. Spending more money fixing Sonic's design in this obvious flop is only gonna lose investors more money, better to recoup what they can than try to fix anything. I mean, you could just attribute that to terrible business sense but it's still just...SO weird. I've never seen a movie studio do something like this.

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Besides the conspiracy theory going around the movie team made the bad Sonic design just for rage clicks and they have another better Sonic model already finished and ready for use.... There is also the small possibility for a similar yet less manipulative theory that the movie team simply had a plan A and plan B made ahead of time... where plan A is their currently shown off unpleasant realistic Sonic design, and plan B is a model little closer to the idea of the normal Sonic we all know. That theory wouldn't be a conspiracy on their part, it would had just been a backup plan if things had gone wrong with plan A... which it did.

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The most likely scenario is that the people managing the film have no interest in Sonic, are doing this very cynically, and want to make a child Hollywood blockbuster.

We don't even know if the redesign is going to be radically different or even look good. What is likely is that the poor animators will have to suffer hell to get any change done on schedule.

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35 minutes ago, Plasme said:

and want to make a child Hollywood blockbuster.

Yet unless they changed their minds the movie is still PG13 and I am almost sure that I remember a interview from years ago where they said something roughly along the lines of they were aiming this movie at older audiences who mainly remember the series from the 90s. Now they could had just been pulling our legs when they said that or had a direction change mid-development. But who knows.

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19 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Yet unless they changed their minds the movie is still PG13 and I am almost sure that I remember a interview from years ago where they said something roughly along the lines of they were aiming this movie at older audiences who mainly remember the series from the 90s. Now they could had just been pulling our legs when they said that or had a direction change mid-development. But who knows.

Wait. This thing is aiming for PG-13 and marketed at MY generation (in my 30s)? No way. I mean...

I have young kids. I take them to SOME PG-13 movies, but only the really good and less crude ones. To get me in theaters, you need to either pluck hard at my nostalgia strings (Gangsta's Paradise isn't enough) or pull at my children with things they like (they're excited about Det. Pikachu right now, not this).

Man, this thing is a masterpiece. A masterpiece. I'm having flashbacks to the Sonic 4 ad campaign... they really need to STOP trying to appeal to my generation. None of them know how to do it.

(Except the Teen Titans Go guys)

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35 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Yet unless they changed their minds the movie is still PG13 and I am almost sure that I remember a interview from years ago where they said something roughly along the lines of they were aiming this movie at older audiences who mainly remember the series from the 90s. Now they could had just been pulling our legs when they said that or had a direction change mid-development. But who knows.

I think they don't even know. In the trailer they're using a song from the 90s and sound effects from the old games, but the actual movie has basically nothing to spark nostalgia about anything...like, make up your damn mind!

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25 minutes ago, BaronGrackle said:

 they really need to STOP trying to appeal to my generation. None of them know how to do it.

Not strange why they might think it is a good idea on paper however. Many Sonic fans grew up with the series in the 90s (like me) and the early 2000s because of the popular Sonic Adventure titles... meaning most Sonic fans are adults now, and the series isn't selling nor appealing to kids nearly as much as it used to. So it seems pretty logical offhand to aim the movie at the audience who might make up for the bulk of those interested in the movie. But regardless who they are actually aiming this towards... the team are seemingly misguided either-way. Because older fans won't enjoy absurd unnecessary changes to Sonic and the story universe as they already have long term premade expectations for the series. And on the other side making it PG13 will just result in less adults taking their kids to go see it.

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3 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

Somebody drew an meow scene with the Blaze version. I actually think of this, when I think about the scene of Tom discovering Sonic.:

Okay, that's actually quite clever.  ...In the real thing, I actually find Sonic's delivery to be weirdly smug, as if he just thought of the funniest quip ever.  Joke's on him, I guess.

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12 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

I don't get why they didnt use the Badniks. They could have made them look much scarier and less silly looking since since what Miller is going with. I would have been fine with a reimagined take on the Badniks that hewed closer to Bayformers 

 

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The robots they went with aren't even robots. They're just drones with guns. Lot of misses potential here. 

 

12 hours ago, Myst said:

Robotnik in this movie works for the Pentagon. It wouldn't make sense for him to have animal-based robots. Not yet anyway. Maybe in future movies after he's gone completely nutty.

I like what we've seen so far. The robotic vehicle that pops out of the truck Sonic flips over on the highway I thought looked really cool. The drones remind me of SA2.

An interesting thing I noticed on the trailer's YouTube description, is that the reason Robotnik wants to capture Sonic is so he can harness his 'immense power' to rule the world. Could this be hinting Metal Sonic?

 

12 hours ago, Rabid-Coot said:

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for the smartest person around to have some reason to look towards nature for robot designs and the top brass be to "basic" to understand why.

 

11 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Yes, but those are his own designs. The B.A.D.N.I.K. could have been one of Robotnik's unique, signature patents. The animal robots could have worked considering they are bringing him in from his own devices, so whatever he brings to the table would be what the Government needs to capture Sonic. It doesn't have to make sense to Government officials, it makes sense to Robotnik and they could have him say something about his brain being superior to theirs if the question comes up. He's the wild card they bring in to solve this problem, animal robots are just an extension of his odd flamboyance and Intellect that others do not understand. 

 

I don't know, I feel like the animal inspired machines are a classic Sonic staple and they could have been that extra element to give this movie a unique aesthetic/forge it's own visual identity that's still rooted in the lore of the franchise. They seem to be going for Sonic 1, so it would have made sense to have that connection. 

 

Imagine a highway chase scene between Sonic and a group of Moto Bugs and Buzz Bombers. It could have been epic. 

 

6 hours ago, Diogenes said:

He's already a weird dude that they hesitate to call in at the start of the movie, there's no reason why "compulsively designs robots based off animals" couldn't have been part of that. It's not even that weird an idea to start with, considering some real-life robots take inspiration from animals. Just take a spider-ish robot, jazz up the design Hollywood style, give it a net shooter or a grappling wire or something and bam, it's a badnik.

Yeah, all of the reasons posited for why the robots are so generic in this film simply don't make sense.  Even without the source material being considered, they don't make sense within the movie's own canon since the the writing, acting, and directing (though not the costuming, as much), accurately convey Robotnik as an eccentric mad scientist who doesn't care what normal people think or advise.  If he's as insistent on calling the shots as his trailer scenes made him out to be, what he creates should reflect that.

Going beyond that, though, with regards to the defense that this movie is supposed to be an origin story, I propose this comeback: An origin story movie is not supposed to be this.  It breaks with cinematic history in terms of what works and what doesn't.  Nobody goes to Wonder Woman to see a movie about her being a privileged princess who lives a carefree life in a utopian society; no matter if that's her backstory.  That can't be most of the movie and the main conflict can't just be her opposing her mother and competing with other Amazons to win the right to go abroad, get her hands dirty and be a superheroine, then sequel-hook.  The movie has to include a fair amount about her being a superheroine.  Origins help flesh out a character, but what characters are like at their peak is what makes them work or not work.  Every good origin story movie I can think of does this.  Some will say that Star Wars: Episode I is an exception, but A: Audiences had already seen Obi Wan Kenobi well-realized in three other movies. B: Other things were going on in that movie than just those characters' origins. 3: Most people think that movie sucked.

So while I'm not completely opposed to Sonic's origin story being about befriending a cop, or Robotnik's origin story being about being a government-contracted scientist, the movie should pay heed to getting them up to their in-game glory.  I don't see this movie doing nearly enough of that.

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If I were tasked with writing a Sonic origin story I'd probably just take elements or ideas proposed by Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 and mesh them together a bit. Maybe have it be more the genesis of Sonic and his relationship with Tails and Eggman rather than just an excuse to explain the set-up for how Sonic and Eggman's dynamic could possibly exist. Perhaps that can be part of it but I wouldn't feel it necessary for that to be the entire focus. What's going on between the two of them isn't that complicated. Dude's fucking insane and wants to take over the world and Sonic's trying to stop him. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

If I were tasked with writing a Sonic origin story I'd probably just take elements or ideas proposed by Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 and mesh them together a bit. Maybe have it be more the genesis of Sonic and his relationship with Tails and Eggman rather than just an excuse to explain the set-up for how Sonic and Eggman's dynamic could possibly exist. Perhaps that can be part of it but I wouldn't feel it necessary for that to be the entire focus. What's going on between the two of them isn't that complicated. Dude's fucking insane and wants to take over the world and Sonic's trying to stop him. 

I think Eggman arguably needs something besides imperialistic--or at least, industrial--desires if he's going to function as a movie villain.  The annoying thing  with this movie, though, is it seems to give him things instead of such desires.  The characters' motives and backgrounds almost seem the inverse of what they were in the games.  

In the games, Robotnik starts polluting the environment and exploiting animals as a means to his ends, and Sonic was reacting mostly to his means.  Only in later games were Eggman's ends shown to be imperialistic and it wasn't until I think Sonic Heroes that I remember him seeing his feud with Sonic as important in itself.  

In this movie, though, it seems to be Sonic who creates a hazard pursuing his self-interest, it's Robotnik who goes to stop him, and soon their conflict is less about noble motives vs villainous motives than it is an egocentric grudge match.

I'm erring on the side of caution here, but I dare say that for once, I wish a movie had been more trendy-political, within the brand's own means.  I don't want it to take any stand on gender-fluidity or gun-control or immigration, but in a time when environmental treaties are collapsing, many species are coming closer to extinction, and many people are scared of cyber-espionage and overreaching software corporations (complete with more and more robots), a villain like Robotnik, fleshed out to tie him to such things, is perfectly relevant.  So is Sonic setting out to stop him.  

They'd still probably have to explain where Sonic came from, and by extension where other anthropology animals came from, but if they just gave him whatever origin he has here but added to Sonic a sense of justice and empathy for other animals, instead of just a love of running, they'd be set.

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5 minutes ago, Scritch the Cat said:

I don't know Thai, sorry.  Someone please tell me if that link is safe for work.

I think its a bot. Dont click it. Probably spam, or a virus.

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There's a rumor going around that apparently the test screening reaction (that apparently selected general audiences and studio executives were chosen to go to) was actually so bad, that it spooked Paramount.

There's also a rumor that the design initially looked A LOT worse. Like to the point where kids were screaming and crying in the theater. This rumor also states that more test screenings were shown until they finally created something LESS creepy looking.

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1 minute ago, Gamecuber64 said:

There's a rumor going around that apparently the test screening reaction (that apparently selected general audiences and studio executives were chosen to go to) was actually so bad, that it spooked Paramount.

There's also a rumor that the design initially looked A LOT worse. Like to the point where kids were screaming and crying in the theater. This rumor also states that more test screenings were shown until they finally created something LESS creepy looking.

Normally I firmly believe that we shouldn't believe such claims without some proof, but honestly at this point I'll take any excuse for this movie to die so...

Maybe that should've been a sign that they should go back to the drawing board.

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30 minutes ago, Gamecuber64 said:

There's a rumor going around that apparently the test screening reaction (that apparently selected general audiences and studio executives were chosen to go to) was actually so bad, that it spooked Paramount.

There's also a rumor that the design initially looked A LOT worse. Like to the point where kids were screaming and crying in the theater. This rumor also states that more test screenings were shown until they finally created something LESS creepy looking.

Are you sure you didn't get that mixed up with Monster Trucks? Because the development of that film had exactly that happen.

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1 hour ago, Gamecuber64 said:

There's a rumor going around that apparently the test screening reaction (that apparently selected general audiences and studio executives were chosen to go to) was actually so bad, that it spooked Paramount.

There's also a rumor that the design initially looked A LOT worse. Like to the point where kids were screaming and crying in the theater. This rumor also states that more test screenings were shown until they finally created something LESS creepy looking.

What's your source for this? I heard the test screenings were quite positive according to Hollywood insiders on twitter, and that the floss dance had the audience dying with laughter. John Campea said he's heard 'good things' about the movie as well.

Reddit AMA guy said he enjoyed the movie too. Also, you said kids were terrified of Sonic's old look and crying, but Reddit AMA guy said the special effects were so unfinished in the test screening he saw, that at certain times Sonic literally looked like a Minecraft character.

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1 hour ago, Polkadi~♪ said:

Are you sure you didn't get that mixed up with Monster Trucks? Because the development of that film had exactly that happen.

Yeah, that's what people have compared this situation to, not that it happened in regards to the Sonic movie.

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