Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)

[CaptainRobo]

5 hours ago, Pawn said:

It would be way, way too much work to change his proportions this late in the game. Scenes would have to be reanimated entirely. The best we're likely to get at this point are larger eyes and less teeth.

Well, that sucks. They probably better off delaying the movie if they want big changes to the design, which I doubt they will do it.

[StaticMania]

Just now, CaptainRobo said:

Well, that sucks. They probably better off delaying the movie if they want big changes to the design.

You know what they're really better off doing?

Not changing the design at all, because, and this'll be said a lot, the design is only part of the problem people have.

What if it doesn't look "better" "better", well that's just wasted effort.

What if it does look "better", well if the story still sucks it's STILL wasted effort.

[Kellodrawsalot]

5 minutes ago, Myst said:

And once they fix the design, Sonic fans will toss the Macaroni back at Paramount for some other reason and say 'I hate this'

We've had at least 3 or 4 different versions of movie Sonic leaked since December and all of them were met with criticism. It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

Look, I'm not defending the design. I'm not a fan of it either. I just thought it was a funny commentary on Sonic fans not accepting change and sometimes being impossible to please (I'm guilty of that myself. Hated Boom when it was announced, but grew to love it)

It's a meme, dude.

 

 

But the leaked Sonic forms are all the same trough.

 

But yeah seeing the script and the trailer a good design wont change it. Maybe Jim Carrey will. It feels like a 90's Carrey movie.

[SaturnWolf]

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

We've had at least 3 or 4 different versions of movie Sonic leaked since December and all of them were met with criticism. It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

Because all of them were terrible. Some were less terrible than others, but all terrible nonetheless. It's not just the fans that didn't like them.

[Tarnish]

2 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

You know what they're really better off doing?

Not changing the design at all, because, and this'll be said a lot, the design is only part of the problem people have.

What if it doesn't look "better" "better", well that's just wasted effort.

What if it does look "better", well if the story still sucks it's STILL wasted effort.

Yup. There is no real fixing this movie, would be best to just stop wasting time and money on it.

[Blue Blood]

11 minutes ago, Myst said:

And once they fix the design, Sonic fans will toss the Macaroni back at Paramount for some other reason and say 'I hate this'

We've had at least 3 or 4 different versions of movie Sonic leaked since December and all of them were met with criticism. It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

Look, I'm not defending the design. I'm not a fan of it either. I just thought it was a funny commentary on Sonic fans not accepting change and sometimes being impossible to please (I'm guilty of that myself. Hated Boom when it was announced, but grew to love it)

It's a meme, dude.

Every design we've seen, leaked or otherwise, has looked God-awful. And that's because they're all the dame design, give or take a few of the more specific details like shoes and socks.

And if the design was generally liked, the film still wouldn't look good. Imagine we got the same trailer with a normal/better looking Sonic - it would still be the same bad jokes, poor music choice, tired story,  Jim Carrey playing Jim Carrey, live-action Sonic film.

It's a dumb meme, dude.

[Myst]

Just now, DreamSaturn said:

Because all of them were terrible. Some were less terrible than others, but all terrible nonetheless. It's not just the fans that didn't like them.

I liked the 3d render that was leaked alongside the style guide art.

I didn't see the big deal with the motion poster. I was willing to give it a chance.

The Chris Pratt poster was a bit too cutesy for me (Sonic looked like a Care Bear imo) and I didn't like it. But compared to what we got in the trailer, I'd gladly take it now.

I didn't like the 2D art in the style guide.

[SaturnWolf]

Just now, Myst said:

I liked the 3d render that was leaked alongside the style guide art.

I didn't see the big deal with the motion poster. I was willing to give it a chance.

The Chris Pratt poster was a bit too cutesy for me (Sonic looked like a Care Bear imo) and I didn't like it. But compared to what we got in the trailer, I'd gladly take it now.

I didn't like the 2D art in the style guide.

You might have liked it, and that's all well and good. But that's not the point. The point is, most people didn't. See: everyone on social media that was laughing at them.

[BaronGrackle]

17 minutes ago, Myst said:

It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

You're getting a lot of responses, so I'm not going to wail on you. I do think you're right about much of the Sonic fanbase, unable to be pleased. That meme would probably be accurate if it were talking about Sonic fans.

But the hugeness of this, the reason Paramount responded, was because of all the people OUTSIDE THE SONIC FANBASE who reacted the way they did. The mainstream. Celebrities and such who haven't glanced at Sonic in decades.

(And incidentally, I think most of the people who are celebrating the "changes" are from outside the fanbase. They haven't been as jaded as those of us who've been with Sonic longer. )

[Dejimon11]

23 minutes ago, Myst said:

And once they fix the design, Sonic fans will toss the Macaroni back at Paramount for some other reason and say 'I hate this'

We've had at least 3 or 4 different versions of movie Sonic leaked since December and all of them were met with criticism. It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

Look, I'm not defending the design. I'm not a fan of it either. I just thought it was a funny commentary on Sonic fans not accepting change and sometimes being impossible to please (I'm guilty of that myself. Hated Boom when it was announced, but grew to love it)

It's a meme, dude.

 

 

Probably because they all looked bad? You can't pull the "it's a meme" card on us dude when you're basically making fun of people who have been giving criticism of the design. 

[Diogenes]

21 minutes ago, Myst said:

It's just a meme guys, chill. I agree that the design needs changes, I just thought it was a funny commentary on the Sonic fanbase and how some of us are literally impossible to please.

And come on, there were people hating on this movie BEFORE the motion poster in December, so I say yes, it's pretty darn accurate.

It's a dishonest take on the situation that only exists to stir up shit.

First off, Paramount's not some poor, beleaguered caretaker, they're a business trying to make money. The Sonic movie isn't a gift that we're ungrateful for accepting, it's a product that they have to convince us is worth our time and money, and they're failing to do so.

Second, they're not going back to the drawing board with each fan response. The designs we've seen are basically all the same; there's some minor refinements and changes but he's still the same weirdly muscular gremlin that's been haunting our nightmares since the silhouette reveal.

Third, people have been pretty clear about what problems they have with the design and how it could be improved. People aren't simply shouting "change it!", they're pointing out how the movie's design deviates from Sonic's usual designs and why those changes don't work.

Fourth, people weren't letting the rest of the movie off the hook even before we got word that they're supposedly changing Sonic's design. Plenty of people were concerned about the story details that got leaked and about the rest of the trailer. People aren't just grasping for something else to complain about because we're "unpleasable", people are just all around disappointed in what the movie is offering.

It's bad enough when this kind of shit gets pulled with the series' usual mistakes but disappointment and disgust with this movie clearly extends well beyond the hardcore fanbase this time so it's especially dishonest to try to write it all off as just a whiny, unpleasable fanbase.

[StaticMania]

So basically even though it's still annoying, that joke would've made more sense if it was about the games not the movie design...

That's old.

[Myst]

17 minutes ago, Dejimon11 said:

Probably because they all looked bad? You can't pull the "it's a meme" card on us dude when you're basically making fun of people who have been giving criticism of the design. 

Yeesh. I wasn't making fun of anybody personally, just pointing out the humor in the reactions people have had to this movie these past several months.

I honestly didn't expect my post to ruffle so much feathers. You can either laugh at it like I did, or ignore it and move on. 

 

[StaticMania]

Why would you compare Ken Penders to this?

Sonic's not nearly human enough.

[CaptainRobo]

One of the writers joke about Sonic’s design change.:

 

[Ryannumber1gamer]

26 minutes ago, Myst said:

Yeesh. I wasn't making fun of anybody personally, just pointing out the humor in the reactions people have had to this movie these past several months.

I honestly didn't expect my post to ruffle so much feathers. You can either laugh at it like I did, or ignore it and move on. 

 

But the humour does not work. Because the joke itself is untrue, and a total strawman. There's no truth in the joke to make it funny because it isn't just "lel those damn sonic fans ain't ever happy", it's just the sheer fact that the design sucks, and has been widely panned across the internet, Sonic fanbase or not. Non fans have panned it, so it isn't just "muh childhood" or "I DON'T LIKE CHAAAANGE", it's literally has a boatload of legitimate issues, criticisms, and cripes with it, and that's not even going near the comedy of errors that is the rest of this movie's failings. 

It's a bit hard to ignore and move on because it's being displayed here as if it's an relevant point to make, that the Sonic fans are on yet another "lel change sucks" tirade when it couldn't be any farther from the truth. Paramount isn't some tireless do-gooder trying to do right by fans, they're a boneheaded company that's fucked up at least three fan-beloved franchises because someone in the their higher-ups pretends to know better than the original designers, and all three times, it's fallen flat on it's ass. Transformers required a hard reboot with Bumblebee, TMNT failed hard after Out of the Shadows and is now backpedalling into another reboot, and low and behold - Paramount has done it again with Sonic. They're a company who tries to pander to what's marketable and can't understand the simple charm of their original franchises. 

[Kellodrawsalot]

Yep. there are even reports of adults and children yelling how Sonic is ugly in the theater since the trailer is playing before the Pikachu detective movie.

it also doesnt help that Pikachu detective movie has been much better received and they should have taken pointers from the Pokemon movie, since they brought in acteal pokemon fans and fan artist to work on the characters design and involved Nintendo/Pokemon Company with the movie every step of the way. 

 

Bonus: its in fact based LOOSELY on one of the Pokemon games too. Imagine that, a movie following the game's storyline. Wild.

[CaptainRobo]

2 minutes ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Yep. there are even reports of adults and children yelling how Sonic is ugly in the theater since the trailer is playing before the Pikachu detective movie.

it also doesnt help that Pikachu detective movie has been much better received and they should have taken pointers from the Pokemon movie, since they brought in acteal pokemon fans and fan artist to work on the characters design and involved Nintendo/Pokemon Company with the movie every step of the way. 

Let’s not forget that they even got Ken Sugimori who is the character designer and the art director to work on the film. He make sure that they didn’t screw the Pokémon up. It was really good that they make sure that they retained the designs.

https://nintendoeverything.com/detective-pikachu-had-a-pokemon-expert-on-set-every-day-ken-sugimori-was-involved/

 

[Graystripe2000]

If the possibility of the movie being delayed over the redesign wasn’t there with what happened with Monster Trucks, it might be here now. Especially considering this apparently happened.

https://deadline.com/2019/05/20th-century-fox-brad-pitt-space-movie-ad-astra-departs-memorial-day-slot-may-fly-to-fall-1202606409/

[PeterPancake]

The Pokemon look amazing but some people still hate them 

[Kellodrawsalot]

6 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

The Pokemon look amazing but some people still hate them 

yes ''some'' nothing compared to how Sonic and general people reacted to Sonic's movie design.

[Myst]

26 minutes ago, Operationgamer17 said:

If the possibility of the movie being delayed over the redesign wasn’t there with what happened with Monster Trucks, it might be here now. Especially considering this apparently happened.

https://deadline.com/2019/05/20th-century-fox-brad-pitt-space-movie-ad-astra-departs-memorial-day-slot-may-fly-to-fall-1202606409/

The movie will not be delayed. Paramount has Sonic movie merch ready to roll out for Christmas. Paramount is probably counting on merchandise sales over the holiday season to help contribute to the film's overall revenue. 

[Razule]

20 minutes ago, PeterPancake said:

The Pokemon look amazing but some people still hate them 

And some people think Movie Sonic is cute.

[BaronGrackle]

2 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

One of the writers joke about Sonic’s design change.:

 

Hmm. The ugly teeth are gone. And look, black eyes again! So maybe they are trying to pull classic fans back. His face has a slight cartoonish look, but there's still a bit of seriousness to it. Like he's not going to buck around with Eggman.

Overall, a strong improvement.

[Tarnish]

3 hours ago, Myst said:

And once they fix the design, Sonic fans will toss the Macaroni back at Paramount for some other reason and say 'I hate this' 

We've had at least 3 or 4 different versions of movie Sonic leaked since December and all of them were met with criticism. It's a comically accurate representation of the fanbase these past several months.

Look, I'm not defending the design. I'm not a fan of it either. I just thought it was a funny commentary on Sonic fans not accepting change and sometimes being impossible to please (I'm guilty of that myself. Hated Boom when it was announced, but grew to love it)

It's a meme, dude.

Well, the one thing they didn't try is just...you know, use the design everyone grew to know over the past 20 years.

If they do that (by some miracle which they won't), and most people are still gonna complain about the design, I'll agree with you. Until then, they took pretty much the last remaining thing the fandom for the most part agrees on (how Sonic should look), and just turned it into something barely anyone (because there's always at least a few weirdos) asked for, and are now surprised people don't like it.