Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)

[Jack at Home 2,097]

2 minutes ago, Tarnish said:

Don't worry, I'm sure the general consensus is gonna be "They fixed his design, movie's awesome now!".

Not saying it automatically is, obviously I want to be excited and look at the bright side for once, we got good news, I'd like to live that moment.

[Gentle Criminal 40,619]

18 minutes ago, Tangled Jack said:

Daily reminder that this should have been the design from the start

Daily reminder that we should be mad at Paramount because they listened too late, they are our enemies

Daily reminder that the movie will still suck despite the redesign, so don't be happy

Daily reminder that no matter how we try to be excited, we just can't be, because it's a sad and shitty world, don't you know?

 

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Serious mode on: This post is meant to be a harmless joke, a parody, I'm poking fun not at the opinions that are completely fine, I'm poking fun at the fact that we get constant reminders every day of how the movie will suck ultimately, and that we should not be excited even if we get good news. Amen

 

Even as a parody, none of that works because at least two of your points is 100% true. Yes, this absolutely should’ve been the design to begin with, and to be frank, I’d argue that is a key point of discussion because this design shows that everyone who said this exact thing for months was correct. After so many defences of “the typical sonic design would stand out in live action” and so on, low and behold, here’s the typical design in live action and it looks good, and why does it look good? Because it’s the tried and true design that made the character iconic to begin with.

And we should be somewhat mad with Paramount for how long it took them to realise their own mistake. I can’t believe how much this needs to be stated - Paramount didn’t do this because they had a sudden change of heart and realised the error of their ways. The movie producers and Paramount had been defending the original gremlin design for months, from the initial poster leak to when the trailer released, they shifted and deflected the blame everywhere and claimed that people weren’t giving it a chance, instead of realising the actual fact that it looked butt ugly.

Paramount didn’t change it out of respect of the fans, or some other reason, they changed it because the internet made it a complete laughing stock, and even their potential target audience of older fans who fell out of the fan base and had nostalgia for it were mocking it. When people who have very little knowledge of the series is able to look and mock the hell out of it, the design is not good, and that was going to cause drops in ticket sales, and more importantly - merchandise sales.

Calling Paramount “our enemies” is an outrageous hyperbolic statement, they aren’t enemies, but they sure as hell don’t deserve tons of praise and credit for fixing something that they fucked up so massively hard to begin with, and received numerous warnings and red flags, right down to SEGA pointing out design issues, and they only changed it when they realised how heavily it was going to fuck with their profits. It’s a overall good thing the redesign happened, but let’s not even try to entertain the idea that Paramount did it out of some kind of kind gesture.

And finally, people have ever right to point out this won’t change much. The design is good, I’m sure the detractors can admit this as several  already have in this topic. But it still doesn’t alter or change the underlying issues with it, because the issues of the film are far more than simply skin deep. There’s problems at the core of its concept and design that hurts it, and pointing out that fixing one issue doesn’t automatically fix all issues is fine, that’s what a discussion topic is for after all.

[Blue Blood 28,559]

5 minutes ago, Tangled Jack said:

Not saying it automatically is, obviously I want to be excited and look at the bright side for once, we got good news, I'd like to live that moment.

The really weird thing about this being good news is that it shouldn't be good news. When SEGA announces a Sonic game, we don't expect to get excited because they didn't make him look like a freaky man-child in a fursuit. There are some things so fundamental that you can't wrap your head around them being wrong to begin with.

By all means be excited. I just don't see any reason to be when the first impression was that the film wasn't even trying to be good.

[Jack at Home 2,097]

9 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

Even as a parody, none of that works because at least two of your points is 100% true. Yes, this absolutely should’ve been the design to begin with, and to be frank, I’d argue that is a key point of discussion because this design shows that everyone who said this exact thing for months was correct. After so many defences of “the typical sonic design would stand out in live action” and so on, low and behold, here’s the typical design in live action and it looks good, and why does it look good? Because it’s the tried and true design that made the character iconic to begin with.

And we should be somewhat mad with Paramount for how long it took them to realise their own mistake. I can’t believe how much this needs to be stated - Paramount didn’t do this because they had a sudden change of heart and realised the error of their ways. The movie producers and Paramount had been defending the original gremlin design for months, from the initial poster leak to when the trailer released, they shifted and deflected the blame everywhere and claimed that people weren’t giving it a chance, instead of realising the actual fact that it looked butt ugly.

Paramount didn’t change it out of respect of the fans, or some other reason, they changed it because the internet made it a complete laughing stock, and even their potential target audience of older fans who fell out of the fan base and had nostalgia for it were mocking it. When people who have very little knowledge of the series is able to look and mock the hell out of it, the design is not good, and that was going to cause drops in ticket sales, and more importantly - merchandise sales.

Calling Paramount “our enemies” is an outrageous hyperbolic statement, they aren’t enemies, but they sure as hell don’t deserve tons of praise and credit for fixing something that they fucked up so massively hard to begin with, and received numerous warnings and red flags, right down to SEGA pointing out design issues, and they only changed it when they realised how heavily it was going to fuck with their profits. It’s a overall good thing the redesign happened, but let’s not even try to entertain the idea that Paramount did it out of some kind of kind gesture.

And finally, people have ever right to point out this won’t change much. The design is good, I’m sure the detractors can admit this as several  already have in this topic. But it still doesn’t alter or change the underlying issues with it, because the issues of the film are far more than simply skin deep. There’s problems at the core of its concept and design that hurts it, and pointing out that fixing one issue doesn’t automatically fix all issues is fine, that’s what a discussion topic is for after all.

What? No, I really disagree, man. Now it's time to get serious, can you believe freaking Hollywood changed the release date, increased the budget, changed stuff from the movie (I mean, he's still supposed to get the new shoes and gloves during the story, as part of his origin thing) just to please the fans? If there is a time to show gratitude, by buying a ticket, it's this moment. It's just crazy, mindblowing to me that the power of fans complaning got to this moment… maybe, it was for the best after all by seeing the end result of the design alone, can't say for the movie because it's not out, I will judge it when it releases, it will probably not be much but at least entertaining? I dunno, still I appreciate the effort they took, every opinion about the movie itself (including mine) before the release is just a prejudice to me. Or at least, it's not judging the Whole thing, but rather a bad promotional trailer, which doesn't necessarily represent the final product.

Anyway, I still think you guys did good, without the universal complaining we would have gotten a shitty look at a generic Hollywood messy design. So yes, you made the improvement possible, but also Paramount.

[StaticMania 1,809]

There's so much to look forward to in this movie now that they've changed the design of Sonic the Hedgehog.

Can not wait.

Can not wait.

Can not wait.

That scene where Hedgehog boy gets shot in the leg with a tranq will be 100% funnier with this closer to standard look.

[Blue Blood 28,559]

4 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

There's so much to look forward to in this movie now that they've changed the design of Sonic the Hedgehog.

Can not wait.

Can not wait.

Can not wait.

That scene where Hedgehog boy gets shot in the leg with a tranq will be 100% funnier with this closer to standard look.

100% of 0 = 0

0 funny + 0 funny = 0 funny 

[Jango 5,625]

That wasn't so hard, wasn't it? Gotta give it to Paramount, Marza and Blur Studios, this looks PRETTY decent. That line (?) whatever thing between Sonic's eyes still bothers me, just get rid of it and it's gold. 

I can't let this pass tho': "-hooray, good design in a shitty movie!" XD

[StaticMania 1,809]

16 minutes ago, Blue Blood said:

100% of 0 = 0

0 funny + 0 funny = 0 funny 

Is the new design not a +1?

At least...

Well, I tried.

[Blue Blood 28,559]

42 minutes ago, Jango said:

That wasn't so hard, wasn't it? Gotta give it to Paramount, Marza and Blur Studios, this looks PRETTY decent. That line (?) whatever thing between Sonic's eyes still bothers me, just get rid of it and it's gold.

Yeah, the separation of his eyes is the part that bothers me the most. There are a few ways that they could have fixed it. The most obvious would have been to stick to the game design and keep his mono-eye, probably with two distinct eyeballs like the Smurfs:

And if that really wasn't going to be an option, then they should just get rid of the write stripe between his eyes. I get what they're going for with it - they're trying to simulate the mono-eye without actually committing to it, because for whatever reason the film makers think that its too unrealistic and strange looking. In the movie about a blue hedgehog from space who runs at the speed of sound. K

[Indigo Rush 39,765]

I'm really going to try to like this. I'm so tired of being cynical by default. Like, do you think I wanted to hate the idea of a Sonic movie? 5 year old me would've freaked. 

I still think this is not how things should have gone. It should've been a fully animated (be it 2D or 3D) and not a live action CG hybrid, but I'll try to be more open to it now that Sonic... well. Looks like Sonic now. This trailer could make it or break it for me.

[Dr Ryan 217]

23 minutes ago, Demondeano18 said:

To be fair, I made a very poor edit to join the eyes together but I personally don't think it adds all that much to the design..

I actually prefer them separated, I see (no pun intended) why they went with that design. 

I think it's definitely better without, but either way this design looks great.

[Jango 5,625]

Just now, Dr Ryan said:

I think it's definitely better without, but either way this design looks great.

Looks much better, even if it's just a tiny detail, it's distracting. I actually don't mind the blue arms and the fur looks okay IMO. Could've been smooth like the games? Absolutely, but at least they stoped at the right amount of "realism", if they still wanted to keep that moto, as unorthodox as it is.

I'm just glad this ACTUALLY looks like Sonic now, oof. Still probably gonna skip the movie, what we heard and saw (and the writers' history) is still pretty mediocre... But at least this design won't cause nightmares on people. What a roller-coaster this thing has been, huh?

[Blue Blood 28,559]

46 minutes ago, Demondeano18 said:

To be fair, I made a very poor edit to join the eyes together but I personally don't think it adds all that much to the design..

I actually prefer them separated, I see (no pun intended) why they went with that design. 

Oh I definitely disagree with you. It looks better when his eyes aren't separated. The result is a cleaner looking design without the unnecessary shadowing around his eyes that make them look very deep set.

[SBR2 2,271]

For me the fact he looks like Sonic and not a demon hellspawn has bumped this up from "Pass" to "Yeah I'll check it out." I don't think it'll be good but at least it'll be watchable.

[Ellipsis-Ultima 7,362]

12 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

Found this. He look so good!!!!

Ok dang that looks better. I hope it'll be better in motion as well.

[Lord-Dreamerz 2,714]

I feel no shame in saying now that I will go watch this movie the month it comes out. The story might be not good, but at least Sonic himself looks good now and not a embarrassment. Personally I think I'll have a good time with the movie even if it is far from perfect. I do still wish Eggman actually looked more like Eggman for a bigger portion of the movie and not just a random guy wearing a black coat. I hope they don't make any future Sonic movies live action again after this, just learn the bloody lesson already you stubborn weirdo film studios... cartoon franchises work better as (gasp!) 2D/3D cartoons and is what both the hardcore & casual fans expect to see from a mainly cartoon style franchise.

[Jango 5,625]

I can't stop thinking about how the first reaction would've been if this design was used from the beggining. Arguibly waaaaaaaay more positive. But after all the mockery and negative buzz, having a cool design now just feels... Bitter sweet to me. I doesn't change my perspective of this movie, if anything, it just unquestionably shows how people who said it looked terrible were right and how deeply wrong Paramount's direction was. I'm looking at both designs right now, and the old one looks even more horrible, if that's possible. It looks like when a fusion goes wrong in Dragon Ball Z.

So yeah. As much as I like this new design... The damage was already done.

[NegaMetallix 4,789]

Oh cool, Sonic actually looks like Sonic now.

...

That's all I got. The rest of that initial trailer did nothing to entice me into seeing this film, so a redesign for Sonic isn't going to change that.

[The Deleter 5,289]

How does everything Tyson touches turn to gold like this

How

 

Also good to see they managed to scale back their own influence on the design even in this form. It looks sooo much better without the nike shoes, jointed/boned limbs, and gloveless hands, it's insane

[ShadowSJG 232]

Makes you wonder who approved the first design at all? Like, they need to be fired. Who looked at that and thought "This looks great".

Man, I wish Eggman looked like himself now

[Wittymations 1,776]

I'm of the opinion of, "Yeah. Sure. He looks better. Cool. That's it."

This movie looks plagued with more problems than just how ugly Sonic was. I expect it to have its typical live-action/CGI licensed product issues. Stupid jokes (I expect at least one poop joke), story more focused on the human character and his human life and somewhere there's going to be a relationship subplot, and weird dance numbers.

[Shadowlax 1,788]

26 minutes ago, ShadowSJG said:

Makes you wonder who approved the first design at all? Like, they need to be fired. Who looked at that and thought "This looks great".

Man, I wish Eggman looked like himself now

Some higher up who thought they knew better than the people they had hired to do an artistic job and the video game industry and audience and quickly learned otherwise whilist shifting the blame onto other people

 

Someone who couldn't exactly be removed didn't care and just pushed it through , wanting to make money

[Gamecuber64 164]

People always say "blame the animators" when something goes wrong like this, yet don't realize that it isn't entirely their fault. Everyone in that studio was involved and nobody, not even the high authority, stopped an executive and thought "We should reconsider this." The producer or director may have had a specific vision and told the animators to do stuff like, "make Sonic look like a weird humanoid because he's an alien", "let's make Sonic's eyes small to make it more realistic", "he has to be feral, so let's lose the gloves".

The animators may have made the problem, but they also may have not necessarily caused it. Or maybe they did. We don't know

[CaptainRobo 1,931]

Someone had isolate Sonic from the background and the foreground from the leaked image. Now we had a clear image of the leaked Sonic. Here's how it's look like.:

Spoiler

Source: https://twitter.com/DrakeTheroux/status/1191965891354877953

Found this with the tan arms.:

Spoiler

Source: https://twitter.com/SonicpoX/status/1192125801128431617

 

[CaptainRobo 1,931]

Only 100 days to go, guys! We're getting closer!