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OK, apparently this movie might come to my country sometime later this month or in March, so I'm just gonna avoid spoilers till then.

One thing I can say though, is that I am immensely satisfied that so many people who doubted this movie are now loving it and even the critics for the most part are accepting this movie and the GA are just eating it up. I hope this paves way for some serious success in the Box Office to send the message that LISTENING TO FANS IS A GOOD THING THAT LEADS TO SUCCESS.

Probably gonna stay outta here till then. See ya!

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11 hours ago, Conquering Storm’s Servant said:

I know I said somewhere that this movie might break even at the box...

I did not think it would potentially be #1 at it and even do better than Birds of Prey.

This is...actually a pleasant surprise for the franchise.

Wow, really?

That's... unexpected.

I mean, I guess I'm happy for it, but man.

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Well the movie is what I expected: Not really good. It's not atrocious, but it's really nothing worthy. 

Carrey was fine enough I guess accepting that his Eggman was really more about Jim getting to chew the scenery than anything otherwise. Didn't care much about Tom and he turned out how I expected him to be ("random White dude who gets to be Sonic's most important friend"). And the movie's Sonic is just Ezra Miller crossed with Deadpool dipped in Current Sonic, so if you don't care much for how he's handled in the games then I don't see how the movie fixes him.

With that posted, I find it curious that apparently the standard for somewhere like IGN saying the movie's "capturing the spirit of the franchise and being true to the source material" is that occasionally Sonic curls into a ball or picks up rings regardless of tonal differences or characterizations or including Two-Worlds. I suspect what it comes down to is these review outlets don't care about video games much and just might be soft on the movie. Let alone Sonic, which if they know about it they fall into the "ugh everything in Sonic outside of 1-2 games or his memes or SatAM is horribad" (even IGN, no especially IGN). So they're just rating it as a fine "family film" where Jim Carrey and Sonic do zany things. Remember Ace Ventura guys? Remember that movie? Remember those memes?

9 hours ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:
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That's uh...

That's gonna be interesting, when they eventually get around to trying to incorporate Knuckles into the lore. Granted, if we were to assume the Knuckles Tribe got wiped out during Sonic's decade away from Earth, it would place Sonic and Knuckles around the same age.

I do have to say though, it's a change that does show they did some research into the Sonic lore. Sonic Adventure's entire plot was the Knuckles tribe abusing the Chaos Emeralds' power, and enduring Chaos' wrath as a result, so having them try to take Sonic's speed for their own goals makes sense, especially since it would give Sonic a reason to naturally distrust Knuckles later.

 

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Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if they avoid the "Knuckles is the last Echidna who's a guardian" for him taking Tikal's role as the one Echidna who takes a stand against his culture's warmongering. He can start off hostile to Sonic sure, but soon enough see that what they're doing is badwrong so he turns on Pachamac or whoever and becomes one of Sonic's sidekicks.

Keep in mind that the movie is obviously a microcosm of what Sonic Team apparently wants the franchise to be (and more cynically, a test to see if they grow a new fanbase who'll accept more games like Lost World or Forces). Hence Sonic being an alien, Tails being absent outside of a cameo in the post-credits. Knuckles being a guardian and last of his kind has been getting played down more and more until we reach Sonic Forces where he's suddenly in charge of an army. They (Sonic Team) want Knuckles to be Sonic's "muscle sidekick."

 

17 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Wow, really?

That's... unexpected.

I mean, I guess I'm happy for it, but man.

You might it sound it like DC's superhero films haven't been performing worse and worse from Batman vs. Superman up accounting for production costs. Especially Suicide Squad. Only Joker has been a smash hit, and it's radically different from other cape films anyway.

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On 2/14/2020 at 1:09 AM, Tarnish said:

And Rotten Tomatoes is not exactly the most trustworthy site to begin with, so I wouldn't take that as the definite thing to judge a movie by.

So then, you really don't have anything to prove your claim, considering how your initial comment was based off of someone mentioning the RT scores.

Also, I get the feeling that if the RT scores were bad , you'd be singing a far different tune.

On 2/14/2020 at 1:09 AM, Tarnish said:

Having a 30% difference between the two tells me critics were a lot less impressed with it overal than the audience, but okay.

And? Your original claim was that if critics gave it downright negative reviews that fans would eat it up.

Yet, given that there's both a positive schism in both critical and audience reception ----because people tend to forget that Rotten Tomatoes is used to calculate the percentage of how many people actually had positive reviews to say and isn't some score average--- it completely flies in the face of your ideal.

I mean, at that point, you're grasping at straws.

On 2/14/2020 at 6:49 AM, Almar said:

You might it sound it like DC's superhero films haven't been performing worse and worse from Batman vs. Superman up accounting for production costs. Especially Suicide Squad. Only Joker has been a smash hit, and it's radically different from other cape films anyway.

Wow. Someone hasn't been keeping up with the DCEU after Suicide Squad.

Especially if you consider Wonder Woman, Shazam's performance, and especially the billion dollar box office winner that was Aquaman as "performing" worse.

For crying in the bucket, Aquaman is their biggest money maker yet.

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25 minutes ago, Almar said:

 

You might it sound it like DC's superhero films haven't been performing worse and worse from Batman vs. Superman up accounting for production costs. Especially Suicide Squad. Only Joker has been a smash hit, and it's radically different from other cape films anyway.

I wasn't talking about DC?

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12 hours ago, NoKaine said:

What benefit would there be for it to flop critically?

I don't want this to exist, I don't want this version of Sonic to affect the series. I hate everything about him from how he looks to how he sounds and acts.

From the looks of things there will be a sequel so my suffering shall continue!

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1 hour ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

So then, you really don't have anything to prove your claim, considering how your intial comment was based off of someone mentioning the RT scores.

 

And? Your original claim was that if critics gave it downright negative reviews that fans would eat it up.

Yet, given that there's both a positive schism in both critical and audience reception ----because people tend to forget that Rotten Tomatoes is used to calculate the percentage of how many people actually had positive reviews to say and isn't some score average--- it completely flies in the face of your ideal.

I mean, at that point, you're grasping at straws.

Dunno what your beef is with me dude, but it's getting unhealthy.

I don't know what kind of proof would be enough for you, but here are a few examples where the critics and audience are in total disagreement:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Dolittle

Dave Chappelle: Sticks & Stones

Captain Marvel

Venom

Batwoman: Season 1

Doctor Who: Season 11

Doctor Who: Season 12

The point I was making that you apparently missed was that critics scores doesn't really mean jack. The audience score can turn out similar, or totally different. It depends on the movie. Just because the critics say it's barely an above averega movie, the audience can still praise it to the high heavens, and vice versa. So I don't get the borderline obsession some people here have with the critic score. In the end, it's the box office numbers that are gonna count.

The only thing I'd correct is this discrepancy seems to happen more often with movies where the media wants to push in a certain direction due to current day politics.

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10 minutes ago, Detective Kaito said:

I don't want this to exist, I don't want this version of Sonic to affect the series. I hate everything about him from how he looks to how he sounds and acts.

From the looks of things there will be a sequel so my suffering shall continue!

Bit unhealthy to obsess this much over a movie that's not even bad.

Besides, there's not even any confirmation that it's going to affect the games and if people enjoy then just leave it be.

3 minutes ago, Tarnish said:

Dunno what your beef is with me dude, but it's getting unhealthy.

Hey now. Don't try to flatter yourself just because someone points out flaws in your argument. That's not a healthy mindset to have.

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2 minutes ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

Bit unhealthy to obsess this much over a movie that's not even bad.

This movie has been slowly driving me to insanity ever since December 2018 when they teased it.

I wish I could ignore it but it's popping up everywhere I go, on every Discord server, Tweet, TV, videos, etc. so I just gave up on trying to ignore and decided to hate on it instead. The fact that people are liking makes it even worse for me. lol

4 minutes ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

Besides, there's not even any confirmation that it's going to affect the games and if people enjoy then just leave it be.

This is false, everything from a success to a failure will affect the games. We've seen it happen time and time again, and Classic Sonic is proof of that.

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23 hours ago, Indigo Rush said:

I seriously wonder how different the film would have been received if they hadn't changed the design. The movie would have essentially been the exact same in every way aside from Sonic's look. 

Although it can't be proven, I think this film would have been received far less favourably if Sonic had retained his original look. I can't imagine critics and the public finding Sonic to be in any fun and endearing if he still looked like a muscular demon child.

Honestly, I'm really pleased to see this film is actually good! It's the last thing I ever expected. Being a cartoon video game adapted into a live action film was a big red flag all those years ago, and the original design was the hottest mess since the Mario movie from the 90s. This turnaround is really impressive. I still don't like the humour that I'm seeing in the trailers, clips and what I've read from impressions, but that's a highly subjective matter. People like this film and it's not going to be another blight on Sonic's record. That's awesome.

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I saw the film last night and really enjoyed it. It got some big laughs out of me and the audience. As I left the consensus was it was a good film and one person noted they thought it was going to be a train wreck but lo and behold it subverted their expectations. If I had some things to point out as a negative it would be that yeah some jokes didn't land due to them already having been shown in trailers, but it still had some surprises regardless. As far as further thoughts go... 

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What I really like about Sonic and Dr. Robotnik/Eggman in this is that they managed to make them foils off each other based on the theme of isolation from other people and how it affects them with Sonic in the beginning of the film and throughout and Eggman from the ending credits as he's certainly becoming insane as Classic Eggman from Generations would say to his future self. Add on to that both Sonic and Dr. Robotnik are orphans. I liked the design of Ironclaw and it would appear that she's probably alive just given how Tails himself has a ring at the end to try and find Sonic which yeah Tails looks so good! Also Echidna tribe looking good themselves and could be Knuckles tribe or heck an opposing tribe for all we know like in Adventure the ones who tried to steal the Emeralds from Tikal's tribe, but in this have to resort to other means of gaining power in this case Sonic to gain the upper hand if that is what the sequel is going to reveal. Speaking of which I do hope that the sequel has it where Sonic and Tails go back to their original world as it was just gorgeous. The film is absolutely up there with Detective Pikachu and Wreck it Ralph (if you really count the latter).

 

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So first off, I liked the movie, it was fun.

Second, here are all the references/easter eggs I noticed:

  • The Green Hill Zone arrangements during the opening Paramont logo and at the beginning of the “everything is peaceful again” conclusion.
  • A version of the Sonic Mania trailer theme plays in the opening scene.
  • Baby Sonic and owl lady (who’s name I’ve forgotten) get chased by echidnas, complete with spikes on their hands.
  • Sonic’s headband when he plays with the nunchucks has the familiar Sonic 1 emblem on it.
  • One of the planets on Sonic’s map of planets looks like the international Sega Saturn logo.
  • Crazy Carl has a drawing of “sanic”.
  • At the end, in Tom’s attic, Sonic has a racecar bed, which I personally like to interpret as an Archie Sonic reference.

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A couple of other obvious references 

  • Calling Robotnik 'Eggman'
  • Sonic ate a Chilli Dog

One thing I like that the movie did was

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negating Sonic's ability to run faster than missles. The slight movement of Robotnik's finger moving towards the red button was a great build up to what came after and makes it so future fights aren't all one sided.

 

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9 minutes ago, Big Panda said:

 

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Speaking of which; why did Sonic suddenly start calling him Eggman? I didn’t notice anything that would have prompted him.

 

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He refers to his drones being egg shaped and then from that calls him Eggman, something I'm assuming comes from him giving characters names like Donut Lord and Pretzel Girl. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Big Panda said:

 

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Speaking of which; why did Sonic suddenly start calling him Eggman? I didn’t notice anything that would have prompted him.

 

He made reference to his flying egg drones I believe. Then stuck with it.

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6 minutes ago, Dr Ryan said:

He made reference to his flying egg drones I believe. Then stuck with it.

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Furthermore it was a callback to something Eggman had said earlier in the film. Back at his introduction, Eggy quipped "Look what my Eggs hatched into!" (or something very similar to that) upon revealing his Egg-Drones for the first time.

Egg was the theme of the day, so it makes sense that is the direction Sonic went with when giving the doctor a call-sign.

 

 

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