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3 hours ago, Tarnish said:

What if we could use that for everything? "Oh, you hated how Luke Skywalker was portrayed in the sequel trilogy? Well this is a new take on him, the fact he was portrayed the exact opposite in the original trilogy with different values and views means jack, since this is a new take on him. Sorry, all your criticism is invalid."

Your arguements there don't hold a lick of water, since the sequel trilogy is in the same continuity as the movies, son.

That's why the bastardization of Luke's character gets called out the way it does.

35 minutes ago, Jack at the Cinema said:

I don't get the fuss, multiple incarnations exist all the time lol.

Eh, that's just Tarnish being Tarnish.

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I can understand where the mindset fosters from however. One of the most common complaints about the video game incarnation of Sonic is its lack of an identity to call its own.

Whether we like it or not, the games are the base which everything else is defined. When Sonic's design was updated in 1998 with Adventure, the entire franchise had to switch to the modern design and every design since has had to adhere to that.

The video games alone are notorious for constantly switching things up and changing things around, usually to its detriment. The video game series has no idea what it is or even what it wants to be, so it's understandable that fans are a little confused on how to accurately describe the franchise, hence these debates.

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±does anyone else have other ideas on how the government spin on informing the public that Tom was not wanted anymore

 

maybe their scapegoat was agent stone and said he was behind the seen drone attacks and an overpowered emp device set for the blackout; their story is that Tom found evidence of his involvement and so stone framed him

 

or maybe they will say Tom was under cover helping find the source of the blackout

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27 minutes ago, Leebo4 said:

±does anyone else have other ideas on how the government spin on informing the public that Tom was not wanted anymore

 

maybe their scapegoat was agent stone and said he was behind the seen drone attacks and an overpowered emp device set for the blackout; their story is that Tom found evidence of his involvement and so stone framed him

 

or maybe they will say Tom was under cover helping find the source of the blackout

Blame it on Eggman.

Really, it's that simple. It's not that they don't want to pretend that Eggman doesn't exist at all, they want to pretend Eggman wasn't a government agent, but rather working independently.

There's no point pinning it on Stone when he was just an assistant to Eggman. The best he could be hit with is being an acomplise, and he could blow the whistle on Eggman being under military emoloy. 

It's easier for everyone to claim Eggman did everything and framed Tom for it.

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2 hours ago, Kuzu said:

The video games alone are notorious for constantly switching things up and changing things around, usually to its detriment.

This is especially true for "Classic" Sonic who is nothing like the Naka/Oshima Sonic it is supposed to be representing. There are more than enough examples of the two talking about the character from Naka's need for a redesign to eliminate a cute image and the Oshima led Sonic CD with an opening and ending sequence showing Sonic's body language as full of confidence and attitude. The culmination of their perspectives on Sonic of course exists in the form of the OVA (Japanese version obviously) and if you compare that to Generations and Force's "Classic" Sonic they are about the same character as Movie!Sonic is Fleetway!Sonic. So yeah, I agree about how SEGA constantly shuffling things up isn't doing them any favors. And it's kind of sad as static protagonists can work. Unfortunately SEGA never seems to hire writers with an understanding of how to use them.

 

On to the movie though, seeing stone mentioned, did anyone else find weird that his character had no closure of any kind, even just as a newspaper article or on a background TV screen. I know in the grand scheme of things his character could have been removed from the movie and really wouldn't have changed anything, but I just find it weird that Once Eggman is in San Fran that it's like he was totally dropped from the movie. It just feels weird to me especially considering Maddie's sister and niece were given a final scene.

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1 hour ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

Blame it on Eggman.

Really, it's that simple. It's not that they don't want to pretend that Eggman doesn't exist at all, they want to pretend Eggman wasn't a government agent, but rather working independently.

There's no point pinning it on Stone when he was just an assistant to Eggman. The best he could be hit with is being an acomplise, and he could blow the whistle on Eggman being under military emoloy. 

It's easier for everyone to claim Eggman did everything and framed Tom for it.

The commander told the Wachowski that as far as they government was confirmed, robotnik never existed

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27 minutes ago, Leebo4 said:

The commander told the Wachowski that as far as they government was confirmed, robotnik never existed

Pretty much your hint for things.

Especially considering the VERY public damage that Robotnik committed,  with likely casualties to boot.

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5 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

There is a whole generation (maybe two) of kids that will only be able to see Robert Downy Jr as Iron Man and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.

Despite those not being "source" these people aren't wrong; and providing a quality alternative take on both characters doesn't harm the legacy or appeal of the IP. If anything it enriches them.

 

Bashing the Sonic movie for providing its own spin on the IP is a laughably bad take. You can choose to dislike the direction it went, but to call out the movie for not being 1 to 1 with game Sonic is hella shortsighted and defeats the entire purpose of an adaptation altogether.

He hates it because this take has several elements in common with the 2010-2013 version, which he utterly despised. That’s his beef.

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49 minutes ago, Steve993 said:

So after I mentioned the interview with co-writer Josh Miller where he said he wants Jaleel White in the sequel to White, he responded to my comment. He's down for appearing it seems: 

 

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/video_games/sonic_the_hedgehog/jaleel-white-seems-to-be-down-with-appearing-in-a-sonic-sequel-a173391

I dunno man, bringing in Jaleel White right after having Ben Schwartz doesn't seem like a good move to me. Ben Schwartz did pretty dang well, let's see more of him instead of replacing him right away. Give us some time to adjust to Movie Sonic's voice. Plus Jaleel White is a lot more suited to Classic Sonic IMO, he wouldn't really fit for Movie Sonic who's neither Classic nor Modern. If anything, I would LOVE to have Jaleel voice Sonic in a hypothetical Sonic Mania Adventures-esque animated series where Classic Sonic talks.

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1 hour ago, GentlemanX said:

No, the idea is to have Jaleel cameo, probably in live action. Or maybe voicing an original character if it takes place on "Mobius"? No one is thinking of replacing Ben.

Well that'd be alright I guess. But Jaleel's Classic Sonic voice is just so Iconic to me that it wouldn't feel worth it to have him in just to voice some other random character.

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2 hours ago, GentlemanX said:

No, the idea is to have Jaleel cameo, probably in live action. Or maybe voicing an original character if it takes place on "Mobius"? No one is thinking of replacing Ben.

On that note there are some speculating that " the rock " will play knuckles. I don't think that's the case, I think they will have someone less well known play knuckles and rock will be the new human companion for whatever. I think if you see a bigger name in these things they will be the human character in the film. And lesser known folks will be the animal folks

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57 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

On that note there are some speculating that " the rock " will play knuckles. I don't think that's the case, I think they will have someone less well known play knuckles and rock will be the new human companion for whatever. I think if you see a bigger name in these things they will be the human character in the film. And lesser known folks will be the animal folks

I just imagined him as the GUN Commander and it seemed awesome.

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I wanna know more about Sonic's world and the lore they hinted at. Sonic 2 should have Sonic fighting Eggman in his homeworld imo. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if the source of Sonic's power is somehow tied to the Chaos Emeralds. Like he's a conduit for it's energy and the only one who can naturally harness it. Robotnik does so using unnatural means and this could be how he builds the Death Egg to take revenge against Earth

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6 hours ago, Steve993 said:

So after I mentioned the interview with co-writer Josh Miller where he said he wants Jaleel White in the sequel to White, he responded to my comment. He's down for appearing it seems: 

 

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/video_games/sonic_the_hedgehog/jaleel-white-seems-to-be-down-with-appearing-in-a-sonic-sequel-a173391

Funny if it's revealed that they have Jaleel voicing a role and it's Classic Sonic. Hey, it's like in the games to have two Sonics at the same time, at least in two of them (Generations and Forces)! I'm sure that won't confuse general audience or piss off the fans in the slightest :P !

(Unfortunately 'Classic Sonic' in this case is actually the fugly original model/design from the first trailer.)

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So, one of the writers of this movie has a podcast, called "The Best Movies Never Made", in which he and his co-host go through movie scripts that were never shot, with guests. The latest episode features himself (Josh Miller), Pat Casey (the other Sonic movie writer), and Alan Denton (Sonic Boom TV show writer) talking about the Super Mario Bros. movie.

Anyway, they mention a few titbits about their time writing Sonic:

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    • They jokingly describe a short <1 day period where Sonic was potentially a "lovable space criminal" (think Stitch), who crash-lands on Earth having stolen a Chaos Emerald. He would then lie to humans and say he's this hero, then the movie would reveal that that was all a scam, but then Sonic must of course become a hero. They acknowledge in the episode how terrible this was, and they go into a bit more detail about how it was scrapped.
    • They tossed around the idea of "completely screwing up" or outright destroying Sonic's planet so he comes to Earth to escape
    • "Nightmarish carnage"
    • "This cannot be Alvin & The Chipmunks". It has to be cool, it has to be an action movie, Sonic's too cool for it not to be.
    • The "world's largest rubberband ball" was inspired by the "world's largest ball of twine" in Minnesota, which was also referenced in Sonic Boom
    • At the end of the episode they mention that the episode was recorded before the movie came out and they "hope it's not a big, stinky bomb".

     

https://anchor.fm/mark-altman for the full episode, Super Mario Brothers Part 4

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8 hours ago, Steve993 said:

So after I mentioned the interview with co-writer Josh Miller where he said he wants Jaleel White in the sequel to White, he responded to my comment. He's down for appearing it seems: 

 

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/video_games/sonic_the_hedgehog/jaleel-white-seems-to-be-down-with-appearing-in-a-sonic-sequel-a173391

For anyone wanting Jaleel White to voice live-action sonic, he already did 😂 For those individuals, here's your Sonic movie: 

 

 

I dig Ben's voice and take on the character and hope we get to see more of his Sonic and Jim's Eggman!

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2 hours ago, The Man On The Inside said:

So, one of the writers of this movie has a podcast, called "The Best Movies Never Made", in which he and his co-host go through movie scripts that were never shot, with guests. The latest episode features himself (Josh Miller), Pat Casey (the other Sonic movie writer), and Alan Denton (Sonic Boom TV show writer) talking about the Super Mario Bros. movie.

Anyway, they mention a few titbits about their time writing Sonic:

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    • They jokingly describe a short <1 day period where Sonic was potentially a "lovable space criminal" (think Stitch), who crash-lands on Earth having stolen a Chaos Emerald. He would then lie to humans and say he's this hero, then the movie would reveal that that was all a scam, but then Sonic must of course become a hero. They acknowledge in the episode how terrible this was, and they go into a bit more detail about how it was scrapped.
    • They tossed around the idea of "completely screwing up" or outright destroying Sonic's planet so he comes to Earth to escape
    • "Nightmarish carnage"
    • "This cannot be Alvin & The Chipmunks". It has to be cool, it has to be an action movie, Sonic's too cool for it not to be.
    • The "world's largest rubberband ball" was inspired by the "world's largest ball of twine" in Minnesota, which was also referenced in Sonic Boom
    • At the end of the episode they mention that the episode was recorded before the movie came out and they "hope it's not a big, stinky bomb".

     

https://anchor.fm/mark-altman for the full episode, Super Mario Brothers Part 4

Huh, that's interesting. 

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You know, on top of being glad that the movie is actually good and that it's already as successful as it is, I'm also happy that everyone whose opinions I value and am subscribed to said it was either okay to good as well. I think the only one who didn't was Arlo, and even then he wasn't even that mean about it. Even YMS was pretty nice to it, shockingly. 

I mean, I heard from somewhere that apparently Doug Walker and his brother didn't like it and PFFT! Okay then. I'm honestly a little bothered that there's people who even value their opinions on anything anymore. Who gives a shit what the Nostalgia Critic, director of To Boldly Flee and Pink Floyd's The Wall review has to say about anything? I checked the video and paused it while the ad played so I didn't have to see their faces just so I could look at the like to dislike ratio and read the comments. The 2.4 likes to 3.4 dislikes and the scathing shit people are saying to them in there is at least mildly amusing but I mostly just want the world to stop associating anything they care about with the Walker brother's opinions on anything. Good OR bad. 

I also checked the box office numbers for other video game movies and it's really astonishing how many of them Sonic's beat in just 2 weeks. Not only that but how many of them not only don't break even but have astronomically low numbers to the point of me wondering just how many people got fired as a result of it.

Super Mario Bros, with a budget of 48 Million (not counting promotion costs and all that other stuff) only making 20 Million is funny enough. However, you go to something like Double Dragon and it's budget of about 8 Million and it couldn't even get half that. 2.3 Million is all it made? Fuck.

Then there's something like Uwe Bowl's BloodRayne, which apparently had a 25 Million dollar budget and only made 3.7 Million? I know how he kept being able to make movies after that but still, literally HOW?!

 

 

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Okay, so I'm about to do that thing I do where I play catchup and comment on prior things I find interesting/funny in this constantly moving thread. Feel free to ignore me.

On 2/3/2020 at 7:59 PM, CaptainRobo said:

We know one of these is going to be this scene.:

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I betting the other one will be that rumored Tails cameo scene. I guess we will have to wait and see next week to find out.

Scene Description:

The rumor we heard, which comes from a trusted source, is that Miles “Tails” Prower himself will cameo in a mid-credits scene. We were told Tails is voiced and the gist of the scene is that Tails comes out of a ring portal saying something like “The signals say he should be here”, referring to Sonic. No word on who voices Tails.

 

Okay, I gotta know--who was posting these "rumors" and how do they keep hitting the target.

On 2/4/2020 at 10:30 PM, Gamecuber64 said:

 

  • The CGI of Sonic looks unfinished in lots of scenes (probably because of the critics and reworking)

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I kinda felt about this about the new design in general. Like, it doesn't jar quite as much once you get used to it, but still.The edge of this hair/quills in particular looked weird in most of the movie.

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On 2/4/2020 at 11:28 PM, Miragnarok said:

Look! Edgy elements are back! Longclaw is hit with arrows! 

On 2/4/2020 at 11:53 PM, Enderwoman said:

how is a character in a movie getting injured edgy by itself


 

I have nothing to say here. I just wanted to screencap that this comment was a thing.

On 2/8/2020 at 1:54 PM, VisionaryofSUPER said:

Yeah, judging by all the impressions I'm seeing this movie going to be bigger than all of us thought. 

Low first impressions leading to positive surprise

+First kids movie of the year

+No competition for three weekends

+No competition for advertising

+Jim Carrey

All that seems to be coming together in a weird way. 

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On 2/10/2020 at 5:04 PM, CaptainRobo said:

Found these.:

 

What the devil is that?

On 2/10/2020 at 8:41 PM, Jango said:

Oy, might as well tag that as spoiler, because that's kinda interesting and important.

But hey. No lizard warrior then?

What was this about? I remember it being mentioned in either the Pizza Party podcast as well.

On 2/11/2020 at 12:50 AM, Whatever the WhoCares said:

It had to do with forces outside both films. Right wingers accused Captain Marvel of being “SJW trash” while Left wingers accused Alita of catering to the “toxic male gaze.” This sort of thing has only gotten more intense will continue to permeate the Twitter world. When a new film comes out, Twitter is not the place to discuss it. 

What in the world?

On 2/11/2020 at 9:12 AM, blueblur98 said:

a video by paramount UK, showcasing an event that took place presumably a movie theater, where kids could talk to a virtual version of sonic voiced by ben schwartz, similar to events nintendo set up where you could talk to mario at the nintendo NY store during certain holidays.

This is one of the purest things I've seen in quite some time and I'm grateful it exists.

On 2/11/2020 at 9:28 PM, CaptainRobo said:

New cool looking Japanese poster.:

 

 

 

Japanese Sonic is Hardcore

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