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4 hours ago, Sega DogTagz said:

Just something I noticed re-watching the movie.

When Sonic stepped up to bat in the beginning of the movie, he did so donning the gear of the Spring Valley visiting team. His red batters cap and the "SV" cap worn by the third base coach confirms as much. At the time, I thought it was odd that the Sonic playing the kid hero in this fake game wasn't donning the home team colors, but I waived it off as a play on Sonic being a visitor to this world so I ignored it.

But then I got to thinking. Sonic hyped himself up mid bat by telling himself that by winning the game, he would become the most loved kid in Green Hills. But despite his internal monologue - crushing the game winning hit would only serve to make him the most hated kid in Green Hills. His name would go down in local lure as the child who crushed their hopes at winning a championship.

Movie Ruined.

 

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Sorry that last paragraph doesn’t really make sense, can you explain it please

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1 hour ago, Moose the Cat said:

I like it too. The tricky part is to somehow find a way to tell the story of Knuckles, Tikal, and Pachamac and the Echidna Tribe and their relationship to the Master Island and Angel Island and how Robotnik figures into all of that.... while still keeping Sonic (and Tails and Tom) at the center of the action.

But the more I think about this change and its implications on a status quo, I really like it -- that the Echidna Tribe actually weren't wiped out 4,000 years ago, but that disaster actually occurred far more recently , and perhaps even some tribe members still exist to this day besides Knuckles.  It's a great way to bring back Echidnas into the ongoing Sonic lore without going anywhere near the Penders stuff. It also, incidentally, provides a very helpful explanation for how Knuckles is able to go on so many adventures with Sonic away from the M.E., if there are other tribe members to also protect the gems. Knuckles is still Guardian of the Master Emerald, but he's a guardian and not the only guardian. It's a pretty fun, logical twist.

Working backwards... how this could actually unfold in the story of Sonic Movie 2, let's keep working off of @Sonario's outline.

Somehow we need to incorporate the human stars into the story more... it'd be great to somehow get Tom to be with Dr. Robotnik for most of the plot, so they could play off of each other, and let the animated cast -- Sonic/Tails/Knuckles be on screen together without humans. 

Maybe somehow it's like Tails brings Sonic & Tom back to Mobius, and they immediately run into Dr. Robotnik, who is able to kidnap Tom in the process. 

Sonic & Tails set out to rescue Tom, and then they run into Knuckles, who has already been tricked by Robotnik into thinking he's a threat. Then, as you have it, there's conflict between S&K throughout the movie because of Longclaw, and through that, we see Knuckles express his anger at his tribe's imperialist ways. It's not that Knuckles hates that they are violent -- Tikal hates the violence -- Knuckles is okay with violence, provided it's defensive. He doesn't like the idea of being the first to throw a punch. ("You just sucked punched me as our first interaction," Sonic would protest. Knuckles: "Yeah but that was defensive because I thought you were a threat--- ohhhhhh. I'm doing the same thing huh? Wow. Growing is hard!" "Tell me about it.") 

Robotnik is working with the Echidna Tribe, and Knuckles realizes Robotnik tricked all of them, but nobody will listen to Knuckles or Tikal... they just want the power that Robotnik is promising them if they give up the chaos emeralds and Master Emerald.  To do that, they need to raid the Chao Gardens where they reside.

Tom & Robotnik spar with words throughout his kidnapping. We'd cut back to Earth to see Agent Stone and Maddie and Maddie's sister trying to understand what happened to Tom & Robotnik... then Jojo realizes they're able to see into their dimension through the Sonic games on the TV.  

Anyway, then Robotnik makes his move, and it's the climax from either S3K (Robotnik flees into space with the Master Emerald after he's exposed) or Adventure (Robotnik releases Perfect Chaos who destroys most of the Echidna Civilization and turns it into ruins). Tails and Knuckles figure out that Sonic can go Super, and he saves the day, stopping Robotnik, rescuing Tom and bringing him back home.

At the end, Sonic moves on from Tom, and says Green Hills will always be his home, but there's a whole lot of places to see, and Robotnik is still out there. I'm sure I'll see you again. Let's go, Tails! 

End.

Post-credits:  Robotnik is defeated, but undeterred. He decides to finally fight fire with fire... he turns a switch, and red eyes glow in the dark. Metal Sonic. 

Post-credits 2:  As Robotnik is admiring Metal Sonic, a voice taunts him from the darkness. "You think that could possibly be a match for the blue hedgehog? Ha. Pathetic." Annoyed, Robotnik begins to turn around "Who do you think you are?" Robotnik is shocked by who he sees. "oh you've GOT to be kidding me..."  And it's Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

HYPE!! And also cue the backlack of "they're already introducing too many of Sonic's shitty friends" meme. But be real... Sonic 2 being about the emeralds/echidnas, and Sonic 3 about the doubles/doppelgangers would be a KILLER trilogy.

I'm not sure if Super Sonic should be introduced into the sequel just yet.  I think he should be reserved for the final movie of the trilogy, if there's going to be a trilogy and maybe he might fight Metal Sonic in the third movie as Super Sonic.

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2 hours ago, Rabbitearsblog said:

I'm not sure if Super Sonic should be introduced into the sequel just yet.  I think he should be reserved for the final movie of the trilogy, if there's going to be a trilogy and maybe he might fight Metal Sonic in the third movie as Super Sonic.

If they do Super Sonic in the movies, they should directly call it out as a Dragon Ball homage. Movie Sonic knows the real world pop culture, he'd be an anime fan.

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5 hours ago, Leebo4 said:

Sorry that last paragraph doesn’t really make sense, can you explain it please

The Sonic that was at-bat was playing for the away team. Playing against the Green Hills team.  By scoring the game winning run, all the kids on the Green Hill team would lose - and he'd be the opposite of beloved in that town for some time. He would be a hero to a lot of people for winning the game, but no one in GH's.

 

 

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With Pachacamac  being the echidna who led the raid to capture sonic and firing the shot that 'killed' Longclaw, I wonder if he will be the big bad in this version, allying with robotnik, and trying to obtain the power of the Chaos emeralds for conquest, only to unleash Perfect Chaos on the world in one of the sequels.

 

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20 minutes ago, Mobius_Historian said:

With Pachacamac  being the echidna who led the raid to capture sonic and firing the shot that 'killed' Longclaw, I wonder if he will be the big bad in this version, allying with robotnik, and trying to obtain the power of the Chaos emeralds for conquest, only to unleash Perfect Chaos on the world in one of the sequels.

 

It would be a fun turn if instead of Knuckles being tricked, it's Pachamac.

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12 minutes ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

It would be a fun turn if instead of Knuckles being tricked, it's Pachamac.

That would be great. And Imagine Knuckles and Tikal turning against their chief and Robotnik, and joining Sonic to save both worlds! :)

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7 hours ago, Rabbitearsblog said:

I'm not sure if Super Sonic should be introduced into the sequel just yet.  I think he should be reserved for the final movie of the trilogy, if there's going to be a trilogy and maybe he might fight Metal Sonic in the third movie as Super Sonic.

Imagine that they hint at Super Sonic in the second film, and in the film against Chaos we see the introduction of Super Sonic followed by a cover of "Open Your Heart" now that is an introduction there.

Most likely the Chaos Emeralds will feature in the second film, just how they will feature is a mystery.

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5 hours ago, DabigRG said:

Knuckles is Tikal's sister?

The way I see it, she could be his sister, close childhood friend, or even something more. But no matter their relationship, they would have a strong bond and shared views of their clan's violent ways. But Knuckles would be more openly rebellious, maybe physically fighting against his clan members to protect innocents or something, causing him to get exiled. Tikal would also protest, but without using any violence at all, even nonlethally. Plus she couldn't go along with Knuckles since she's next in line to be chief and would be prohibited from leaving without being exiled herself. Maybe like Cream, she would eventually come to a breaking point and start fighting back later on, maybe when Knuckles, Sonic or Tails (Sonic and Tails would also become her friends later) getting hurt when they all try to stop the clan's scheme to take the Chaos Emeralds.

 

Also, I have a huge bunch of ideas for how the Chaos "Saga" could go, detailed below.

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First off, instead of having Super Sonic and Perfect Chaos right off the bat, I have a climax in mind involving stopping the clan from raiding at all. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Tikal could not only fight the rest of the clan directly, but their actions could also inspire some of the other clan members who are too afraid to challenge their chief, and the whole thing could erupt into a full on war between the heroes and rebellious echidnas tired of the violence, and Pachacamaca and his loyal band of raiders.

As for Robotnik's involvement in the whole heroes vs clan thing, you could have him discover the emeralds himself, but consider it too risky to try to steal them while the other parties are active. He starts out by tricking Knuckles into thinking Sonic and Tails are in cahoots with the clan, being sent to take him out, leading to Knuckles becoming their enemy, unbeknownst to Robotnik's real plan to use him to keep Sonic and Tails busy.

He also discovers Pachacamac discussing his plans to raid the shrine with a few advisors in private, and warns Tikal about it, who not only lets the clan know of this earlier than Pachacamac wanted, but starts protesting more actively and reasoning with the clan, making them a little uneasy about their chief's plans and furthering Robotnik's own goals of weakening the clan.

Then he waits until the clan is about to raid the shrine before the heroes interrupt them. He secretly watches the  chaos unfold from afar as some reluctant members of the clan also turn on the more loyal ones to join the heroes, resulting in a massive fight. He remarks that things are going exactly as he planned, and proceeds to fly off in his Eggmobile saying "on to the next phase" or something like that.

After the battle, Pachacamac could be exiled after the clan expresses distaste in his rule and overthrows him, with Tikal taking over as new chief (with Knuckles by her side depending on their relationship) and reforming the clan into becoming more peaceful. Knuckles and Tikal would thank Sonic and Tails who would leave off for more adventures. Then, the clan would embark on their new mission, to become guardians of the same shrine they planned to raid. But when they get there, they discover that while the shrine and Master Emerald are unharmed, the seven Chaos Emeralds are all missing. Cut to credits.

Then, in a post credits scene, you could have the dishonored chief wandering across an empty land before being approached by Robotnik. The doctor introduces himself and promises to help the former chief regain his prestige and power and get revenge on his rebellious clan if he simply works together with him. Pachacamac expresses distrust and declines, preparing to leave. But then Robotnik reveals the Chaos Emeralds to them, gaining their undivided attention. He says something along the lines of  "perhaps these will change your mind" and offers a hand to Pachacamac with an evil grin. Pachacamac shakes it, saying they have a deal. Cut to black.

Now, for the very second movie, it might seem a little too much. Which is why, I'm considering this whole adventure to actually be Sonic 3, with Sonic 2 being a lot lighter in scope and centering around Sonic and Tails's bonding and maybe stopping a different villain or even Robotnik himself after he returns from Mushroom World.

Then, instead of just a trilogy, we could have a 4th movie actually called Sonic & Knuckles to wrap things up. That movie could subvert the Knuckles and Master Emerald thing by having Tikal and the rest of the reformed clan staying to guard the Master Emerald while Knuckles leaves and eventually joins Sonic and Tails to stop Robotnik and Pachacamac's plans. But their "plans" end up being nothing more than a distraction as they attack the reformed clan and awaken Chaos with the Chaos Emeralds to contol him. Chaos goes out of control, absorbs the emeralds to become Perfect Chaos and starts rampaging, killing Pachacamac and sending the doctor packing.

The heroes show up to witness the trouble and the final battle starts. Sonic would obviously use the Emeralds to go Super, but since the movie's Sonic & Knuckles, why not have Knuckles go super too? Instead of the people of Station Square cheering, you could have Tails, Tikal and the whole Knuckles Clan cheering for them as they use the positive energy to go super. Then they would knock some sense into Chaos in an epic clash. Then, the heroes would go back to normal and Chaos would calm down too, reverting back to his Chaos 0 form. Tikal could reason with the god, promising that the clan would become its loyal subjects and would never let anything like this happen again. Chaos would accept this and go back into the Master Emerald willingly while also restoring the absorbed energy of the Chaos Emeralds, placing them back in the shrine where they belong. Thus, we could get a happy ending as Sonic and Tails once again set off for adventure as Knuckles, Tikal and the others give a goodbye to close off the whole quadrilogy.

Or you could still go the bittersweet route, in which Chaos kills the whole clan except Tikal and Knuckles. Then, during the final battle, Sonic and Knuckles get locked in a stalemate with Chaos as their transformations start weakening, only for Tikal to step in just before they run out to seal herself and Chaos into the Master Emerald. The heroes are devastated by this loss, but Tikal shows up in spirit form, along with a calmed Chaos 0 spirit , and reassures them. The heroes are saddened, but they come to accept it, with Knuckles vowing to guard the Master Emerald containing sister/friend/significant other for the rest of his life. Thus the adventure ends with Knuckles assuming his canonical role as the sole guardian of the Master Emerald, with an additional tragic background for Knuckles' dedication to it.

This quadrilogy would tie nicely into the chronological progression of the Genesis quadrilogy, even keeping the continuous connection between Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, to the point where you could even release a special edition digital/physical release with both movies bundled together as Sonic 3 & Knuckles!

 

tl;dr : My version of Sonic 2 is just about Sonic and Tails bonding and maybe stopping Robotnik or some other villain. My version of Sonic 3 involves Sonic and Tails joined by Knuckles (after some misunderstanding) and Tikal in stopping the Knuckles Clan's raid, unbeknowns to Robotnik's plans to steal the emeralds while they're busy. My version of Sonic & Knuckles (4th movie) involves Robotnik tricking Sonic, Tails and Knuckles into leaving the clan to stop their supposed plans, only for his real plan to be unleashing Chaos, which leads to a Perfect Chaos fight which concludes with a completely original happy ending of the clan surviving or a more canon-inclined bittersweet ending where only Knuckles is left.

...sorry for another overly wordy post. I just have so many messy ideas and want to share them. We're probably not getting anything on such a grand scale just yet. Plus I couldn't really think of anything involving the human world either so it wouldn't really work since the human world would undoubtably be a huge part in sequels too. It was fun to solidify and post these weird ideas though. I'm sure the official movies will be just fine as long as they put some heart into it like they did for the redesign and the actual movie.

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11 hours ago, VisionaryofSUPER said:

Imagine that they hint at Super Sonic in the second film, and in the film against Chaos we see the introduction of Super Sonic followed by a cover of "Open Your Heart" now that is an introduction there.

Most likely the Chaos Emeralds will feature in the second film, just how they will feature is a mystery.

I do wonder how they will introduce Chaos into the films.  That would be layers upon layers of history they have to deal with regarding the chaos emeralds and the characters themselves.

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Ben Schwartz on the redesign and the backlash benefits.:

"The way that I saw it first I think was on the trailer. I had to do ADR for the actual trailer because up until then it was all very temp. But I believe the trailer had to be done very quickly or something like that. So the first time I saw it was then. And then when it came out and the reaction it got when it came out. First of all we didn't know if anyone would care. We care because we like video games and movies it seems."

"But the biggest thing we learned from that was that when it came out so many people were so vocal and it became a huge thing. It got passed around so much. It may have not been the most positive reason why it was getting passed around, but it got passed around so much and so people had such heartfelt passionate ideas for it. That the biggest thing we learned was 'Oh, people care a lot. Let's look at this and figure it out.'"

"The big thing they were trying to do was how do you bring Sonic into the real world? Because he's a computer character, you can't just bring him in. How will he look in a real life situation? So I think that's what they were tackling. But I will say the new version... when I was doing my voice the whole time I was doing it the way the new version looks. In my head, that's the way it looked. So when I saw the first one I was like ok, but when I saw the second one I was like 'This is in my head what the little guy looks like.'"

Source

Also, according to James Marsden, he confirmed that Sonic is 12 in the movie.:

 

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2 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

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Also, according to James Marsden, he confirmed that Sonic is 12 in the movie.:

 

 

Wow, so that means Baby Sonic was actually a baby at TWO years old! Also explains why he doesn't angst about Longclaw too much, having very little memory of her.

Also if Sonic's 12, then how old is Tails? He looked and sounded exactly like his Modern counterpart as opposed to Sonic who's at least 8, and most likely 9 after Generations, which means that Sonic and Tails don't really have that much of an age gap in this movie. So their dynamics might end up being completely different from the games, with Sonic not being Tails's big brother figure he looks up to and Tails not being the sidekick to his hero. (Tails already seemed like an established and independent hero himself when he showed up) This could lead to some very interesting interactions!

On a side note, my headcanon age for Classic Sonic is also 12-13, so if we consider Movie Sonic as Classic Sonic kinda matches up with his smaller height. (He doesn't look 3'3'' standing next to the 5'10" Tom)

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35 minutes ago, Sonario said:

Wow, so that means Baby Sonic was actually a baby at TWO years old! Also explains why he doesn't angst about Longclaw too much, having very little memory of her.

Also if Sonic's 12, then how old is Tails? He looked and sounded exactly like his Modern counterpart as opposed to Sonic who's at least 8, and most likely 9 after Generations, which means that Sonic and Tails don't really have that much of an age gap in this movie. So their dynamics might end up being completely different from the games, with Sonic not being Tails's big brother figure he looks up to and Tails not being the sidekick to his hero. (Tails already seemed like an established and independent hero himself when he showed up) This could lead to some very interesting interactions!

On a side note, my headcanon age for Classic Sonic is also 12-13, so if we consider Movie Sonic as Classic Sonic kinda matches up with his smaller height. (He doesn't look 3'3'' standing next to the 5'10" Tom)

James probably got the name wrong as Jeff himself said that sonic was about 13 or 14 in the movie and I think the director’s word has mroe sway than an actor when it comes to canon

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Genesis Era Sonic was given an age in both that JP bible and Jam as at least in his mid teens. The OVA shows his intended personality was really just his Adventure One personality.

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5 hours ago, CaptainRobo said:

Ben Schwartz on the redesign and the backlash benefits.:

"The way that I saw it first I think was on the trailer. I had to do ADR for the actual trailer because up until then it was all very temp. But I believe the trailer had to be done very quickly or something like that. So the first time I saw it was then. And then when it came out and the reaction it got when it came out. First of all we didn't know if anyone would care. We care because we like video games and movies it seems."

"But the biggest thing we learned from that was that when it came out so many people were so vocal and it became a huge thing. It got passed around so much. It may have not been the most positive reason why it was getting passed around, but it got passed around so much and so people had such heartfelt passionate ideas for it. That the biggest thing we learned was 'Oh, people care a lot. Let's look at this and figure it out.'"

"The big thing they were trying to do was how do you bring Sonic into the real world? Because he's a computer character, you can't just bring him in. How will he look in a real life situation? So I think that's what they were tackling. But I will say the new version... when I was doing my voice the whole time I was doing it the way the new version looks. In my head, that's the way it looked. So when I saw the first one I was like ok, but when I saw the second one I was like 'This is in my head what the little guy looks like.'"

Source

Also, according to James Marsden, he confirmed that Sonic is 12 in the movie.:

 

I find the term Computer character charming, for some reason.

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7 hours ago, Sonario said:

Wow, so that means Baby Sonic was actually a baby at TWO years old! Also explains why he doesn't angst about Longclaw too much, having very little memory of her.

Also if Sonic's 12, then how old is Tails? He looked and sounded exactly like his Modern counterpart as opposed to Sonic who's at least 8, and most likely 9 after Generations, which means that Sonic and Tails don't really have that much of an age gap in this movie. So their dynamics might end up being completely different from the games, with Sonic not being Tails's big brother figure he looks up to and Tails not being the sidekick to his hero. (Tails already seemed like an established and independent hero himself when he showed up) This could lead to some very interesting interactions!

On a side note, my headcanon age for Classic Sonic is also 12-13, so if we consider Movie Sonic as Classic Sonic kinda matches up with his smaller height. (He doesn't look 3'3'' standing next to the 5'10" Tom)

It’s possible that a few years may have passed between the ‘end’ of the movie story and the mid-credits trailer. I think they will keep the age difference the same, so Tails is about 8 when he arrives on Earth and Sonic has aged to about 15 in the meantime.

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So, when do you guys think we can expect the sequel to be released? I know they can't start production on the sequel now because of the pandemic. Maybe we can expect it to be released in 2022 or 2023?

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33 minutes ago, CaptainRobo said:

So, when do you guys think we can expect the sequel to be released? I know they can't start production on the sequel now because of the pandemic. Maybe we can expect it to be released in 2022 or 2023?

They probably wouldn't have started production this year either way. Only after the film's release in February did sequel talks get moving in any real way. Right now they're developing the ideas and possibly writing a treatment or script. 2022 or 23 sounds right. 

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