Sonic Boom announced (Wii U/3DS)

[Indigo Rush]

Too high development cost and damage to Casino business, Sega's last hope

You couldn't resist, could you? You keep talking about their casino business in unrelated topics as if it makes you look studious or something. It doesn't. It's annoying and we're tired of it.

And this is in no way "SEGA's last hope."

[Willsy]

With all this talk of Casinos, I wonder what the chances are of a Casino level in this? I know it's a lost and ancient land, but so was Lost Hex (allegedly).

[Milo]

With all this talk of Casinos, I wonder what the chances are of a Casino level in this? I know it's a lost and ancient land, but so was Lost Hex (allegedly).

 

Nah, I doubt it, unless it was some sort of ancient take of a casino level (which would be pretty cool, TBH. Like you could have some sort of death trap maze that doubles as an ancient giant pinball table or something, lol. If you can jump on the panels sinking into the lava in the correct number sequence, you win an ancient gold trophy!).

 

And the casino level in Lost World was just one of the out-of-place "variety" levels the game had (along with the candy level, the on-rails acorn level, the cavern levels, the seemingly-underwater grinding levels, etc.).

[Splash the Otter]

Multiple playable characters - Possibility of Bad part like SA2 Knuckles part.

This is precisely the mindset that caused Sola Sonica to happen in the first place. Are you seriously telling us that you want Sonic's allies relegated to the background?

[omote23]

This game has nothing to do with a Casino business...

It is not Segas last hope.

You have seen no evidence of a emerald hunting gameplay.

Thats right we don't... so why exactly are you making the above conclusions?

1. Oh wait. Casino is REALLY last hope. If 4Q financial report will be released i will post about this.

Plus. My logic is this. Sonic Boom flopped >> damage to Sega >> Damage to Sega Sammy's stock price and cash. (Sega sammy will be casino company) >> Damage to Sega's new business, Casino

Even if this game didn't deal damage to Casino, If this game would flopped, Sega takes a Lot of damage because of high development cost like FY2012. (I think you know Sega(non-consolidated) is smaller than capcom and Sega has only 22B yen cash, Sega's BIS ratio is only around 50%,(NIntendo is over 80%, Capcom is around 6~70%) 

2. Possibilities. I mean only possibilities I'm not assure this game includes emerald find stage

But even if Boom doesn't have emerald haunting, we have another possibilities other bad things.

 

3. Conclusion

I can't understand Why many Sonic fans think this game will be awesome, In reality, this game isn't be great than Sonic fans think.

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[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

Your 'logic' is broken and flawed as usual, I see.

[Willsy]

I believe it was confirmed that there would only be one unanimous gameplay style, but each character would have their own specific set of abilities. A bit like the LEGO games.

[Tails spin]

1. Oh wait. Casino is REALLY last hope. If 4Q financial report will be released i will post about this.

Plus. My logic is this. Sonic Boom flopped >> damage to Sega >> Damage to Sega Sammy (Sega sammy will be casino company) >> Damage to casino business

Even if this game didn't deal damage to Casino, If this game would flopped, Sega takes a Lot of damage (I think you know Sega(non consolidated) is smaller than capcom and Sega has only 22B yen cash.

2. Possibilities. I mean only possibilities I'm not assure this game includes emerald find stage

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Hey here's a thought. Call me crazy since I think this is totally a revolutionary concept. Why dont you open a topic just for your sega casino business talk and stop tainting this thread with unnecessary information. I mean like mind = blown

[omote23]

Hey here's a thought. Call me crazy since I think this is totally a revolutionary concept. Why dont you open a topic just for your sega casino business talk and stop tainting this thread with unnecessary information. I mean like mind = blown

 

you didnt read this

Even if this game didn't deal damage to Casino, If this game would flopped, Sega takes a Lot of damage (I think you know Sega(non-consolidated) is smaller than capcom and Sega has only 22B yen cash, Sega's BIS ratio is only around 50%,(NIntendo is over 80%, Capcom is around 6~70%) 

 

and

2. Possibilities. I mean only possibilities I'm not assure this game includes emerald find stage

But even if Boom doesn't have emerald haunting, we have another possibilities other bad things.

this, and

 

3. Conclusion

I can't understand Why many Sonic fans think this game will be awesome, In reality, this game isn't be great than Sonic fans think.

this.

[SlickEvan]

Personally while I'd like to see their take on a Boom Casino thing, I don't think it'd be the best for Boom. After how much of the "Nostalgia" Lost World had, along with the game which that was it's purpose, Generations, it might be redundant. 

 

If it was some lost casino, that'd be kinda epic and give them the excuse to put it in there.

[Willsy]

I think it's more likely that any civilisation in the game (aside from Eggman's bases) will be either ancient architecture or somewhat primitive structures (maybe with some technology like we saw in the CryEngine 3 demo reel and screenshot).

[omote23]

Personally while I'd like to see their take on a Boom Casino thing, I don't think it'd be the best for Boom. After how much of the "Nostalgia" Lost World had, along with the game which that was it's purpose, Generations, it might be redundant. 

 

If it was some lost casino, that'd be kinda epic and give them the excuse to put it in there.

 

Yeah, It's not best for boom

 

But If Boom sales is solid, game quality is good, and Include casino theme stages like Lost Casino, Sega can advertisement their casino. isn't it?

But if Boom isn't satisfied sales, game quality, I don't like include casino themes, because this case isn't advertise their casino.

[Tails spin]

you didnt read this

Even if this game didn't deal damage to Casino, If this game would flopped, Sega takes a Lot of damage (I think you know Sega(non-consolidated) is smaller than capcom and Sega has only 22B yen cash, Sega's BIS ratio is only around 50%,(NIntendo is over 80%, Capcom is around 6~70%) 

 

and

2. Possibilities. I mean only possibilities I'm not assure this game includes emerald find stage

But even if Boom doesn't have emerald haunting, we have another possibilities other bad things.

this, and

 

3. Conclusion

I can't understand Why many Sonic fans think this game will be awesome, In reality, this game isn't be great than Sonic fans think.

this.

Then you must have major insight into the future because hardly anything is known about the game. Plus I personally do not care about sega's finances in a game discussion topic

[Willsy]

Do SEGA even own a casino though? I know that they make arcade machines and stuff for them, but I don't recall them actually owning one. Buying one wouldn't be a good idea either.

[Chris]

1. Oh wait. Casino is REALLY last hope. If 4Q financial report will be released i will post about this.

Plus. My logic is this. Sonic Boom flopped >> damage to Sega >> Damage to Sega Sammy's stock price and cash. (Sega sammy will be casino company) >> Damage to Sega's new business, Casino

Even if this game didn't deal damage to Casino, If this game would flopped, Sega takes a Lot of damage because of high development cost like FY2012. (I think you know Sega(non-consolidated) is smaller than capcom and Sega has only 22B yen cash, Sega's BIS ratio is only around 50%,(NIntendo is over 80%, Capcom is around 6~70%) 

2. Possibilities. I mean only possibilities I'm not assure this game includes emerald find stage

But even if Boom doesn't have emerald haunting, we have another possibilities other bad things.

 

3. Conclusion

I can't understand Why many Sonic fans think this game will be awesome, In reality, this game isn't be great than Sonic fans think.

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1. Please take this discussion out of this topic. It's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Plus, it doesn't relate to the announcement of the game directly (seeing as it's more about finances).

 

2. I'm glad you want to see the return of the Casino Night Zone! Make a new topic about it.

 

3. Conclusion

 

[jords]

A lost Casino would actually be nice for boom, I would actually like that. 

 

Question. If boom was going to take anything from Lost world, it could be anything, gameplay, level, music something. What would you like to see from lost world?

I would like the spin dash controls in lost world to return. It was pretty fun using the spin dash in that game and it felt great. One thing I would like for it to be fixed is to not loose your speed when jumping. Probably won't happen but its something i wanted to see.

[anna]

A lost Casino would actually be nice for boom, I would actually like that. 

I think it would be really cool if it was an ancient architecture fixed up and used as a casino, or even a "Bar" (milk, juice. I imagine a chameleon as bartender for whatever reason). Maybe a post-apocalyptic kind of place and, hey! This thing still works!

 

 

Question. If boom was going to take anything from Lost world, it could be anything, gameplay, level, music something. What would you like to see from lost world?

I would like the spin dash controls in lost world to return. It was pretty fun using the spin dash in that game and it felt great. One thing I would like for it to be fixed is to not loose your speed when jumping. Probably won't happen but its something i wanted to see.

^{_{More Zelda}}

[sonfan1984]

If this turns out to be great then I will be happy to support Sonic Boom. I will buy both versions of the game, watch every episode of the tv show and then buy the complete series when it comes out on dvd, buy the action figures, etc. I hope Boom will become a commerical and critical success cause I really think it will also affect the future of the franchise.

 

Like if this becomes successful then hopefully Sonic Team will step their game up and take cues from Boom into the main series and start doing the things that they've been doing before and making better and wiser decisions.

 

But if it becomes a failure cause of low ratings and low sales due to lack of interest, etc then Sonic Team will continue to go in the same current direction (Sonic only, no playable characters, barebone stories, 3-4 hr game) and it will give them the impression that people doesn't care about the extra stuff Boom is doing.

 

If Boom can't get people interested even with an new developer, in-depth story with playable characters, etc even when the fanbase has been waiting for this stuff for several years then I dunno what else SEGA can really do and it will be a huge missed opportunity. All the money and hard work in trying to expand the franchise and appeal to a wider audience is going down the toilet.

[Lyra the Pinkhog]

Hmm, so the game has a mixed reception.

 

That's funny since the game is probably the most promising since Sonic Adventure. It's also made by a competant developer team this time, so there's that.

 

Also, we have had little info and screenshots, true, but we have had a lot of info about the game's philosophy from Stephen Frost. The team's approach leaves me optimistic.

[Willsy]

The mixed reception is pretty much the norm for Sonic fans and new game announcements. Unleashed, I believe, had a very polarising reception both initially and on release. Lost World was by far the most polarising in recent years though.

[Badnik Mechanic]

Also, we have had little info and screenshots, true, but we have had a lot of info about the game's philosophy from Stephen Frost. The team's approach leaves me optimistic.

 

Problem is, that's starting (well for me at least) to mean very little when it comes to a lot of games. It's not just Sega, it's other developers too. Though Sega has a very good track record with doing this to Sonic games, and they keep doing it year after year. Also from a point, fans too constantly fall for it, both coming from Sega and media.

 

There was a topic on here last year about "IGN's top 5 things about SLW" or something, and people were going ape about how it was a 'positive sign,' Though if you look at the article what they said means very little.

 

There's that much PR spin on things and to be fair there's already quite a lot on this game which if it continues after E3, then I'd start to worry. 

 

When I play a game the first questions on my mind are not going to be "What is this world?" Or "Is this a different Sonic,"

 

It's going to be "Are these levels engaging?" Does the flow of fun rise and fall at the right points? Is the level design interesting? I don't care who they have on the game or their ethic, unless they go 'hey here's something that's fun and here's something from that game which is fun' it's hard to get too excited about it at this stage.

[Tani Coyote]

On a casino level: isn't Eggman involved in the plot somehow? Since he's the kind of guy who likes to rip ancient environments up I can see him plopping one down somewhere, the cultural history be damned. He probably cares as much about ruins as the PRC government does. That is, none at all unless it serves a political purpose.

 

On reception: I'm very optimistic. Why? The team behind it. Sonic Team have, I'm sorry, proven they are a hit or miss developer. There's just no way around it. The guys at BRB, while they haven't made a game AS BRB, have solid track records. Barring them being the worst of the worst from those dev teams... I have 100x more reason to be optimistic about a Sony-made (let's face it, it may as well be) game than a Sonic Team-made one.

 

That's without getting into the fact this is the first Sonic title to ever be fully developed by Westerners through and through.

[Willsy]

That's why I'm remaining cautious. You shouldn't really walk up to a stranger (in this case, the game) on the street, even if he/she is offering free candy (good gameplay). They could still mean well and be a nice person (be a good game), but there are equal chances of them being potentially dangerous (be a bad game).

Wait until we know what the person (game) is like before approaching.

[Endy]

A casino environment wouldn't really fit in Boom's universe unless it were Eggman's doing, its certainly possible. But personally I would prefer it if there wasn't a Casino at all, I'm sick of nostalgia.

[Briraka]

Yeah, I'm not too fond of Casino Night Zones...

 

Give me Carnival Night Zone, instead...