Megathread The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Same here. =X I can see why Sega wouldn't want to go to court again and waste resources like VEDJ-F said, but I just can't believe how hypocritical he is when he creates a character like the Praetorian and goes around saying "Oh no, it's MY version of Knuckles therefore it is MY character." Once Pendurrs finally releases the comic and even gets it on to Comixology of all places, then you can bet he's going to be stopped. At least I'd hope so, especially with all the very obvious Archie Sonic designs and that 25YL Knuckles image ripped straight from the comics. Yuck.

 

He's already trying to claim that Future Knuckles is his character. He keeps attempting to claim that he owns Knuckles' future design because it appeared in a story he wrote (Not drew mind you, just wrote), then he's attempting to use a case where an alternate universe version of Spawn was claimed as a original character, despite the fact that this has absolutely nothing to do with that character, and this isn't a different version of Knuckles, just Knuckles in the future. 

 

In short, it's fucking downright idiotic what he's trying to claim.

 

So should Ken laying claim to characters literally called 'Evil Sonic' and 'Robo-Robotnik.' 

 

And in other news, we have a bit more ego-stroking from Penders. 

 

Yes Ken. It's really quite the accomplishment that a book you wrote during the very peak of Sonic's popularity managed to sell well. Truly, we are wrong to deny you your skills. This makes me re-assess everything I have thought about you, and the likes of Stephanie Meyers and Christopher Paolini; sales prove skill, and so, you and those others named I will now view as the Godly figures you oh so deserve to be. 

 

Because of course it couldn't be due to the fact that Sonic was at the height of his popularity by this stage, with Sonic 1 & 2 already out and Sonic 3, and CD on the way. He does realize that no one would have a clue who the fuck Penders is so no one would have any reason to buy the issue specifically for his writing. 

 

Penders is such an idiot.

[Disonoid 3000]

 

That or the public evisceration he'll receive from actual critics for trying to ply such an inferior product. Here's hoping he makes a spectacle of himself. 

 

 

This whole thing seems so completely small and unknown I can barely imagine very many, if any, actual critics actually bothering, unless they review literally everything that comes out.

[Killtank]

As much as I do miss the old continuity, I actually want TL-SC to see the light of day. I'm not sure if that will ever happen. Ken hasn't really proven he's interested in much beyond spending far too much time on Twitter to devote his energy to a deadline. So there's no reason to assume that he'll get the lead out and finish it at some point in my lifetime. I'm a young man, but his obsessive interest in pursuing online shenanigans may be far too powerful for him to overcome. I may never get the chance to read it. And even then, a judge could file an injunction on SEGA's behalf if Ken makes a big enough splash.

 

In any case, I just can't see this ending well for him. That isn't to say I'm chomping at the bit for an turbulent train wreck, but that result is essentially inevitable at this point. I just can't help but laugh at the idea of him going on about phone apps and a movie adaptation when the "graphic novel" hasn't even hit shelves yet. There's counting chicks before they hatch, and there's this baffling activity. Does Ken have no better use of his time than to argue with people who hate him over Marvel comics? Shouldn't he get to work at some point? TL-SC won't manifest on its own if Ken, as the bona fide "progressive" he is, spends all his time saying how awful it is for Thor to be a woman. 

 

It isn't so much that I demand to see a garish spectacle light up the night sky. But I want Ken to get in his dirigible and get this tragedy over with already. My popcorn is getting stale. 

[Celestia]

Maybe I'm being a little zealous but I can't help but be a little wary of the assumption that Penders laying claim to what are essentially slightly edited official characters and winning sets a precedent for fans who make shitty fan characters being able to claim some monopoly over a character concept or something.

They wouldn't be successful anyway since the situation with Penders doesn't set a precedent for fans to do that sort of thing at all. He worked on an official product, which (rightfully, I'd argue, even if he's kind of a jerk) gives him some power over his concepts, even the ones that...aren't exactly original. But more importantly, I highly doubt any of the fans with recolours would try in the first place by virtue of being...well, actual fans of Sonic, which is a pretty big difference between them and Penders. Seriously, I get that adults in this fanbase have some weird vendetta against those (usually younger) fans, but the situation you're describing wouldn't happen no matter how you look at it.

[horridus]

Indeed. Plus, Penders situation is further unique in that the only reason it ended the way it did was because Archie made the monumentally foolish decision of not re-drafting his and the others contracts after that fire and having them sign over that work. It was only thanks to an almost Darwin Awards tier level of stupidity that he was able to make any kind of progress on his case, and even then his 'victory' isn't as clear cut as he tries to sell it, given that he is ultimately depending on SEGA not really pursuing any claims. 

 

What happened with Penders sets no precedent other than serving as a lesson as to why you should always keep your paperwork in order. 

[Tenko]

Seriously, I get that adults in this fanbase have some weird vendetta against those (usually younger) fans, but the situation you're describing wouldn't happen no matter how you look at it.

I have no vendetta against the young'uns!! I just sit patiently waiting for my sweet sweet revenge. As you get older you tend to gain patience.

Sonic Boom was just a taste of that. After years of being told by the young ones to just "get over" Classic Sonic being gone, and "things change and move on" etc, it was pretty good seeing the Modern fans squabble, cry, kick and fuss back when there was the fear that Boom was the future of the main series. "They can't change Modern Sonic", "there's nothing wrong with him now", "I don't like this new one" they cried, and finally, we the fans that preferred Classic Sonic knew, it wasn't just us, most fans would decry the changing of the version of their favourite gaming hero that they preferred or grew up with, our vengeance was quelled, and all was well again.

*ahem* Anywho, where was I? I had a point...I think? Ah yes. Perhaps Sega is doing the same thing. Waiting, patiently, watching, for the time when Penders makes his move, for his works to be "established", at least in sales and distribution, before they make a move. Hopefully then we can all rest easy knowing true justice has been served.

[Celestia]

I do wonder if that's SEGA's / Archie's plan. It'd be hilarious to watch, though I think it's kinda wishful thinking at the same time. It's just as likely that they just want to wash their hands of Penders and ignore him, particularly since they're probably just as aware as we are that LSC probably won't really be that successful anyway. Then again, they could be at least a little concerned about it in terms of brand image or something...

 

Lots of different ways this could go, I guess.

[biznizz]

Quick question from anyone brave enough to enter the wasteland known as the Penders Forum: any new horror stories about BobR or the man himself?

 

Hell, does he even POST on his own forum anymore? Lately, all I've heard about him in the dumb sh*t he spews out on Twitter.

[horridus]

Quick question from anyone brave enough to enter the wasteland known as the Penders Forum: any new horror stories about BobR or the man himself?

 

Hell, does he even POST on his own forum anymore? Lately, all I've heard about him in the dumb sh*t he spews out on Twitter.

 

Don't look at me. I've said all I'm gonna say, and have made a point to not go there anymore. So far I've resisted the temptation, and I intend to maintain this. 

[Disonoid 3000]

His forum gets like maybe one new post a week, more if something actually happened or someone came back after a while and has more than one thing to say, but in general there hasn't really been any opportunities for BobR to do anything. Ken's stopped posting most of the new Lara-Su stuff over there, too (though he did make a post with the comic page in it), which has stopped a lot of discussion and subsequently stopped a lot of his stupid claims.

 

Real shame, too, cause the arguments between him and the people on there are very entertaining. I should really try and see if I can log in, but I'm pretty sure my posts were deleted, so probably not. 

[Paul-Agnew]

The following was originally intended to be posted weeks ago. Ironically I was called in to work before I could finish, and less than a day later, the site was hit by a Super Sonic Stadium Genesis Wave. Nevertheless, I’m glad to see the site is back online (even if a large chunk of its recent history got erased).

 

When I posted that DeviantArt Journal back in mid-2014, I didn’t expect anything to come of it, let alone a single person read the whole thing (it’s a habit of mine writing long-winded posts. Go figure). So when the page views increased, I was surprised. This led to wondered what fans were thinking. And if I were to get replies, what would they be?

 

It’s hardly a big secret that I’m not exactly Mister Popular with the fanbase, and given my former association with Mr. Penders, I don’t necessarily blame anyone for thinking so, even to this day. Thus I slowly began to expect being hit with a tonne of backlash or negativity. Primarily comments such as “Ah well, sucks to be you” or “Got what you deserve” or worse yet “He’s lying to gain attention” were forefront in my mind.

 

But when I began reading the eventual comments which came through, imagine my astonishment to find exactly the opposite happened. The posts left at the Journal were nice and empathetic, and it began to happen on other sites as well, such as here, Sonic Retro, Tumblr, and Twitter. Of particular note was the response from BumbleKing, and I was even offered by members to join that site. However, knowing there are at least two higher-ups who would have no worries banning me in an instant, I had to politely decline.

 

It goes without saying that virtually all the responses I’ve been sent or read utterly shattered the negative expectations I had. And that’s a good thing indeed. There’s no changing what I said or did in the past, but to read support from Sonic fans (even those I clashed with on more than one occasion) is something I’ll be cherishing for years to come.

 

Looking back, I am ashamed at my actions over the past few years. It would be ridiculous to try sweeping it under the carpet and pretend this all never happened, and while I don’t interact online much these days, I have been attempting to speak with those I have offended or treated terribly. Once more to my surprise, it’s been a positive endeavour, with nearly everyone replying. The last thing I asked for was forgiveness, but they were very understanding, and we were able to find common grounds. So that was nice.

 

It was never my agenda to hurt anyone, though I can definitely say there was a hidden agenda of sorts for me on a different level. My primary goal in supporting Mr. Penders over the years was to gain his favour and work on any potential future projects. Back in early 2010, I expressed interest working on ‘The Lost Ones’ website. He responded once, but it never went any further. This should have been a warning sign, but no, I kept going on regardless.

 

And I was always hoping for a peaceful resolution for both parties, because while I wasn’t reading the comic on a regular basis, I did feel for those who were, and those who enjoyed what Mr. Flynn was doing with the characters. Believe it or not, I do respect the man, especially given what he must have gone through over the past half-decade and still keep his job. Even if he may not feel the same way, especially after I got officially branded as ‘insipid’ (which may or may not have been deserved, depending on how one chose to read the Sonic Encyclopedia).

 

Ever since mid-2010, I have known that Mr. Penders would ultimately come out on top of the deal, so if I were to support him and not badmouth his decisions or artistic talents, then maybe it would lead to working on a project starring characters I grew up reading. Was this selfish? Most likely. Would I have done things differently? No doubt. And while I would like my time back, it’s important to chalk this up as a life lesson and be a wiser person because of it. And while I would have adored the opportunity to make new stories, he would have probably edited them hard (since the Brotherhood would have been revealed as… less than the perfect angels he’s claimed them to be, especially when it came to forcing on their preferences for the next generation).

 

But again, he seemingly doesn’t want someone like me who actually understands, respects, and cares about the lore and characters, and wanted to tell deep and intriguing tales showing their development into relatable heroes (and despised villains). Let alone assisting with the work load (unless it’s mandatory, and I do wish Kevin the best – he’s certainly a better 3D artist than me), even if they do have good ideas. Or at least ideas he can “borrow” without acknowledgment.

 

As I’ve followed the Archie Sonic The Hedgehog comics pretty much since their beginning, it pains me to say what I’m about to. The whole fallout of the litigation and subsequent reboot of said comic has burnt me of my interest to a point where I want nothing to do with it anymore. Which is incredibly depressing, given the comics were the driving force for me to become a fan in the first place.

 

Having grown up poor (or at least when money was tight and I made the most of what was had, namely a few small Lego sets, the odd cheap Transformer or G.I. Joe, some comic books, and a boundless imagination), I never owned the Sega consoles or played the games beyond the odd PC demo, so I don’t have the same nostalgic memories of Sonic that I’m sure many of you do. My fondest memories of Sonic came from the cartoons and especially the comics. The stories by Messers Penders and Bollers in particular fuelled my imagination, and were part of the inspiration I had to learn writing and illustrating.

Not all of their stories were winners, but I found something to enjoy regardless.

 

In a perfect world, I would say that at least I still have my memories and back issues to reflect happily on. Sadly I cannot even do that. It’s come to a point where I refuse to even look at the comics, knowing that A) over 20 years of invested reading has been pretty much for nothing, and B ) the fact whenever I see the name ‘Penders’, it will forever be tarnished as ‘the man who ruined the Sonic comics’. Now don’t get me wrong, I still support creators’ rights, and feel Archie should have been issuing royalties for reprints decades ago. And yes I understand one usually goes ‘all or nothing’ when it comes to litigations, but was it really necessary in the end to pretty much legally steal past material? Rather than be remembered for crushing the continuity, he could have moved on and focused so much time and effort in creating new material that readers may have interest with rather than cash in on the past.

 

What about ‘A Man Without A Country’? Having read the script, it’s a pretty neat concept. Plus there are ‘The Republic’ (which I thought had potential with a larger budget), and even ‘The Lost Ones’. Though I’m not sure linking superpowers to a real-world catastrophe was a good idea, but I’m sure interest for that story is due to having spent many years reading one of my other favourite comics, ‘Uncanny X-Men’.

 

So having spent years arguing with people and defending this man, to realise it was all for nothing and be unappreciated (seriously, was “I thought you were one of the good ones” all he had to say? If I classify as good, then I’d hate to see how he treats the bad eggs), it’s left me exhausted. That’s not to say I have completely forsaken the blue Hedgehog though. Sometimes I pop in here and other websites to see what fans are talking about these days. Plus he’s proven to be very popular at the art classes I run, with people always asking me how to draw him.

 

These days I spend most of my time working. Rather than sit back and pour a pot of pity about the whole thing, I have been moving on with my life, and this has led to bigger and better things. Outside of given the chance to contribute towards the production and success of Australia’s longest running and highest selling comic book, I do work for communities and organisations. More recently I was asked to create designs for a pop culture expo later this year, which hopefully fellow Sydney folk can attend.

 

I wish to extend my deepest gratitude to everyone here and on other blogs or message boards. Unfortunately, with the site losing its posts, I cannot remember everyone’s usernames who commented, so I’m sorry if I forgot anyone. There were so many comments and it’s not as if I can simply go back and double-check them. But there is one anecdote I particularly recall; a post by NeonZephyr, where she mentioned not remembering talking about me. For the record, I recall a post years ago on FUS where she said something along the lines of “I only want to hear from Penders himself. Not BobR or PaulWhatever”. If you’re reading this, I was never offended by that remark. In fact I actually found it quite funny and took it as a joke. So when I travelled to Pasadena last year, I made a mock poster to promote my continued ruining of America’s west coast, and included the ‘whatever’ portion as one in a list of quotes from four dissatisfied fans. And yes, that too was all done with intended good humour.

 

And I loved the post made by horridus on his board. At least I think it was you, and I apologise in advance if it was someone else. The first few paragraphs in particular hit hard, as I can relate to him being admired as a hero. And it’s especially heartbreaking when someone you think is a top bloke turns out to be the exact opposite.

 

One thing I wanted to do back in November was get back on his board and leave a final post, which pretty much vents the issues with him I’ve been holding back on. There are still a few points I left out from the Journal that I’ve not talked about online… yet. Namely the fact my dissatisfaction with Mr. Penders is more than simply ‘He terk mah tertle!’, and the whole problem goes back as far as 2007. I can guarantee it would be quite the show, but fair in parts (since I can relate to having family members in hospital last year, myself being one on several occasions).

 

The reasons I’ve not done so already is because A: horridus’ post covered a few of my gripes already, B: Mr. Penders doesn’t use his site anymore, and even if he did, he’d take one look and ignore it, if BobR hasn’t already deleted my account, and C: If I did so, I’m worried that fans will think I’m becoming ‘The Stan’ of the fanbase. Or dare I even say another CWC. In short, Eminem released a song called ‘Stan’, where the title character is a fan who adores him to pieces, but over time becomes frustrated when he never gets a response, and ends with him committing suicide. As much as I’m livid by what’s happened, I don’t necessarily wish death on the man. Even if I have a perfectly valid reason to be upset.

 

On another note entirely, there are a few posts I saw both recently and before the site reboot I wish to comment or expand on:

 

1: First and foremost, there is the discussion over issue #92’s rather… unforgettable artwork. There’s a bit of a story about this one. To keep it simple, they brought in Michael Higgins to illustrate ‘The Wrath Of Khan’ at the eleventh hour, primarily because there was no-one else available to do it. Similar to how Penders did all the work on #93’s back story, and Harvo’s half of #97. Steven Butler had left the series, James Fry and Ron Lim were on assignment, and it wouldn’t be until a few issues later when Nelson Ribeiro did some fill-in work. So to ensure the issue had its sixteen pages of content, Higgins was forwarded a copy of the script, a few back issues as reference material, and a nasty deadline. All this given to a guy who, by his own admission, was not an artist.

 

Having worked under tight deadlines myself, I can empathise with his plight, and am grateful the issue got published at all, even if it wasn’t exactly up to standards. When Dan Drazen reviewed it, he was incredibly critical on both story and art (and rightfully so in parts, such as Tails’ namesakes disappearing). While Mr. Bollers took it on the chin and replied the way one expected a professional to, Mr. Higgins was not as happy. His response was amazingly snarky, and sadly the version Mr. Drazen (or as he put it, MISTER Drazen) posted is missing some of the best bits. I’ve got a copy of the full argument, and it makes for fascinating reading.

 

Fun Fact: Back in 2009, I redrew ‘The Wrath Of Khan’ at the possibility of giving it to Archie Comics for them to use in Sonic Archives if they are ashamed by the original art. If I find them, maybe I’ll upload a few of the pages for anyone interested. And yes, Khan did finally retrieve his cloud missing from the first page.

 

2: As for the preview page of ’20 Years Later’, this is most certainly not the first time Mr. Penders has used this format for a comic. He did it while illustrating ‘Star Trek’ as well (ironically the issue featured a new race of aliens who wear uniforms frighteningly similar to that of the ‘Ultimate Doom-Bot’ from ‘Sonic Live’ and Locke’s dream), and it can definitely be confusing on first read.

 

Regarding the story, as we have seen, it opens with Julie-Su learning that she is pregnant. While Mr. Penders hasn’t clarified it yet (how unusual), I can tell you for a fact the unborn child is not Lara-Su. Having read his notes and seen the completed pages, Lara-Su is 14 years old by this point, and is about to learn she’ll be having a sibling. Not too sure the gender of her soon-to-be brother or sister was clarified though.

 

On a lighter note, this layout is called the ‘Z’ format. Not due to being Z shaped, but to represent the audience’s reaction. And that’s Zzzzzzzzz.

 

3: There have been rumblings over the upcoming crossover event in the comics, in particular whether Australia will receive the issues or not. At first I chalked it up as “Previews usually lists the comics as only in the U.S. & Canada anyway, so no big deal”, but after looking into it a bit more, the future of Archie Sonic in Australia is once again in doubt.

 

While I cannot speak for every comic store, since their stock will vary depending on what they order, I can however speak for local newsagencies. As there are very few comic stores around, I’m sure Archie would make a good sale from selling issues at Australian newsagencies, which there are plenty of. When the comic was first offered for sale, the price was AU$2.25 (slightly above average for a comic at the time). By ‘Endgame’, it had increased to $3.75 alongside other titles, such as ‘Uncanny X-Men’. And come 2002, it hovered at $4.95 a copy.

 

Now this is where things get problematic. From 2003 to 2007, the price fluctuated, constantly changing back and forth between $5.40 and $4.95. Eventually it settled for a few years at $5.50. That was until late 2010, when the price jumped (starting with #212) to $6.50. About a month later, all Sonic titles were pulled from distribution, with the last issues being #213 and SU#16. It remained ‘cancelled’ until #229 and SU#31 magically appeared 15 months later, once more sitting at $6.50. There has never been an official explanation why they stopped selling, but chances are it had to do with the price increase, and seeing initial sales, they immediately pulled the book. It was certainly a rapid cancellation, because SU#17 was already slated for release in the system.

 

History has once more repeated itself, as the comic has yet again been cancelled after a price increase. At the end of 2014, Archie Sonic was suddenly pulled from distribution, the last issues being #266 and SU#70 (and of course, exactly like 2010, it ended with the last part of an SU arc and halfway through a 2-part ongoing story).

 

When the comic jumped a dollar in the U.S., it was hiked up here to a whopping $8.50 an issue. Now I have no doubt this hurt sales badly. If little (insert child name here) sees Sonic on the shelf and wants a copy, chances are the parent/guardian wouldn’t buy a 32 page comic with 20 pages of story at $8.50, especially when they can purchase a kiddie magazine with 80-100 pages content, a free (i.e. cheap) gift, plus a high chance of Sonic being in there, for a few dollars less. It is depressing, but economically it would be viewed as the better buy.

 

If (and this is a big IF) the comics return to newsagency sales, I’d wager it won’t be for a long time. Either near the end or even after the crossover, and if they do, how long will they last at this price? Marvel comics were $8 for a few years, and they’re all gone. DC is still hanging in with enough titles to count on one hand.

 

In particular I feel bad for the younger readers who can’t get to comic stores. One of whom I met last year, and will end this post on a brief conversation we had:

 

ME: Alright, who here knows of the Sonic comics?

KID: I do.

ME: Great. You actually read them?

KID: My parents read them to me when I go to bed.

ME: Awesome. Who’s your favourite character?

KID: Knuckles.

ME: And you like the stories?

KID: Yeah, I love them!

ME: So… how do you feel about the comic’s recent reboot and removal of the cast?

KID: (Gives the most crestfallen look I’ve seen in years)

ME: I’m so sorry.

[horridus]

Well, I'll be damned. I never dreamed in a thousand years that you'd be posting here. 

 

There's a lot to address there. I'll keep things simple, if only because I can only say so much. Yes, I made 'the post'... on Penders board, I was axemancometh, and I meant every single word of what I said. He really was my hero, my inspiration, and I loved the stories he made and the world he crafted along with Bollers, and now... I cannot even look at them anymore. I cannot gaze upon them and let the nostalgia flow, knowing who precisely was behind and it and his real motives. I'd been with the comic since I was a little kid, and even defended Penders numerous times, and in the end it was all for nothing. On that front, I feel your pain... in an incredibly acute way.

 

I was also the one who broke the news of your parting with Penders. And before that, I called you a bootlick, more than once. It was over a series of comments you made, regarding Dr. Droid and Eggman, and I took you for precisely that. I apologized for those statements on the off chance that you would read them and respond, now that we knew what you were going through. And as I said before the great crash, I say again now... I am sorry for calling you a bootlick, and I am sorry things turned out so badly between you and Penders, and that he took you for granted like he takes everyone else for granted. While your post did infer there was more to it than just the title thing, it was still an incredibly lousy thing for him to do, especially given how much you had gone to bat for him, to say nothing of his ignoring you afterwards despite how much time he has repeatedly wasted on Twitter arguing with everyone and anyone under the sun.

 

I am happy that you have been able to put much of this behind you, and that you have been moving on to bigger and better things... seems to be a recurring trend with people burned by Penders, heh. I wish you continued success in your endeavors, and for your work to pay off. And I thank you for the few interesting tidbits you have released here, and hope that you will be kind enough to share more in the future, if you feel up to it. 

 

Either way, thanks for posting and for clarifying things, and once more, I am sorry for my harsh judgement of you, way back when. 

[Neon Zephyr]

Oh, hey! I literally do not remember that post. But, then, I hardly remember my time at FUS. I'm glad you weren't offended by it, at the very least. Though, I *do* recall having a rather... dim view of you, as it were. And, I was wrong and I deeply apologize for it. I'm also sorry that Penders left you in the dirt like that. You deserve better; I know what it's like to see someone you admire do you wrong like that. (I think I've posted elsewhere of the influence Penders' earlier stuff had on my life as a kid and why this whole mess had me particularly...bitter.)

 

Either way, I hope you can forgive my past actions. I echo horridus's words in saying thank you for sharing with us, and I also hope you're willing to stick around and share and chat more with us here. 

[Verb & Noun]

I remember having posted a link to your journal here to let people know what was going on. It's nice to see you post. I'm very sorry about all you've been through, but happy you're proceeding on successfully with your life.

[Agie]

I remember making a long post...that wound up having at least one error in it. I'm sure there's more in there as well. No, I have no doubt there's more. I was going off from memory, and I wasn't exactly in the mood to post too much.

 

I, too, didn't have the best perception of you. I just decided it was best to stay off that forum, especially with that error in mind.

 

I do apologize for making those errors, and however poorly I may have treated you.

[biznizz]

Hey Paul, really strange to see you here, but interesting.

 

I can understand your past actions that, despite the fact it was partially motivated to get your foot in the door business-wise with Penders, you did want to overlook his flaws since he was a creator that you greatly respected. And I know how soul-crushing it can be when that creator can turn out to, essentially, be a bag of d*cks.

 

Sorry to hear that the Pendering, as we call it, and the new continuity has burned yourself out on the comics completely. I can recall seeing a good number of fans on the board deal with that in all the spectrums of grief, with some eventually hoping for the best, to others quitting in disgust, to others (like a certain, now banned ex-commentor coughJohnny2071cough)... not dealing with it well (said ex-commentor actually greatly implied the murder of Kenders himself at one point!!)

 

But, glad to hear that you are moving on with your life and are happy.

 

Thanks also for clearing up that screwed up 20YL thing. Can't believe he did that stupid f*cking "Z" for an actual published comic and no one (re:editor) called him out on it. And for implying that Julie was pregnant with a second child (who probably would've been miscarried due to Droid's invasion) and not it being Ken ignoring his own continuity (again).

[GamerGirl54321]

OKAY WAIT I APOLOGIZE FOR BREAKING THIS UP BUT I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING

 

So, like, the word part pend-, right? Pending, suspense, impending, suspend, etc.

 

Penders.

 

idk i mean it seemed to be worth mentioning forgive me it is 11:30 at night and i can't concentrate like at all

[Ellipsis-Ultima]

Anybody seen this yet? It's a sloppy copy of the Brave New World without color: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/580443021843570689/photo/1

 

And the Sloppy copy of Issue 48 also without color: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/581356210932191232/photo/1

[Zaysho]

In fairness, they are thumbnails/layouts.

 

I'm a little confused about that "Brave New World" thumbnail. According to the original credits, Spaz came up with the cover concept as well as doing the finished pencils. Does that mean the credits were wrong, then? Weird.

 

...couldn't hurt him to mention that Spaz would take these concepts and spin them into gold, though.

[Gabz Girl]

Wow.,I'm glad that you're doing well now man, but what a damn shame about Penders and all that. It must've been really tough for you..

 

And that comment about the little kid is so sad, because it shows that the intended target audience for Archie Sonic is also disappointed that half the cast from their favourite comic book got wiped out completely before and after the crossover. All because of one arrogant bastard.

[Tenko]

He doesn't seem to like admitting or mentioning that all his past works and ideas have been tossed from the comics. His current mentions via Twitter (as seen below) and even his write ups via those convention adverts all make it sound like his ideas are still being used.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPenders/status/580185200119840768

Established locals? He can't be meaning in his new works, wouldn't it have to have been released to become "established". It's not established in the current Sonic comics either, maybe in the past they were considered as such. But the new universe scrapped all that. The only place you will find them now is in the Archives etc.

[horridus]

He doesn't seem to like admitting or mentioning that all his past works and ideas have been tossed from the comics. His current mentions via Twitter (as seen below) and even his write ups via those convention adverts all make it sound like his ideas are still being used.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPenders/status/580185200119840768

Established locals? He can't be meaning in his new works, wouldn't it have to have been released to become "established". It's not established in the current Sonic comics either, maybe in the past they were considered as such. But the new universe scrapped all that. The only place you will find them now is in the Archives etc.

 

Ken has never been very consistent about where the fuck this is meant to stand, but ultimately he's trying to get away with as much as possible with regards to the 'continuity' of the comics... no matter what he says, he's never going to try and stop leeching off of Sonic.

 

And it's not so much that he acts like his stuff is still a thing in the comics... it's more like he's trying to convince people that they're still well remembered and liked and all that and that his contributions were worthwhile and iconic. 

[Zaysho]

Ken has never been very consistent about where the fuck this is meant to stand, but ultimately he's trying to get away with as much as possible with regards to the 'continuity' of the comics... no matter what he says, he's never going to try and stop leeching off of Sonic.

 

And it's not so much that he acts like his stuff is still a thing in the comics... it's more like he's trying to convince people that they're still well remembered and liked and all that and that his contributions were worthwhile and iconic.

 

Not to mention lots of "NYAHNYAH I CAN USE THESE AND ARCHIE CAN'T! PENDERS DOES WHAT ARCHIE DON'T!"

 

Speaking of, he uploaded his proposed layout for Sonic #47...

 

https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/581675565201027072

 

What the fuck even is this? Some take on the OJ Simpson trial? Cripes he must've hated Gallagher's trial of Sonic following Mecha Madness that he wanted to put Sonic back in the same position seven issues later.

[Agie]

What...the krutack...am I LOOKING AT?!?!?

 

Seriously, just...what?!

[GamerGirl54321]

So, uh, from what I can see, Antoine, Gangstershark, and Scaredyhorse are prosecuting Sonic the I-Don't-Have-A-Lawyer-Hog because someone got murdered?

I'm confused.