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1 hour ago, Mightyray said:

Since Mr Penders thinks designing aliens is hard I've decided to show you guys my old 2014(?) sketches of what the 'alien echidna' could look like if I was doing the designs... keep in mind that they are dated sketches. I know folks have done better but hey I'm a slow poke when it comes to showing off. 

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Left image: unimpressed Lara-su in a trekkie outfit. Right image, top teft: Lara side on. Top right is the back of her head where the tentacles come out. Middle left is the Praetorian. Middle right is Spectre. Bottom left is a side view of the Praetorian's side view with cybernetic eye. Very bottom is me figuring out how alien anatomy works with Julie-Su.  

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What is love? Baby don't hurt me no more... forgot Julie-su's antennas... oops.

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Dad and baby Lara-su.

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Another sideview I wasn't sure of. Enjoy.

Elbows aside, I think you did pretty well. I like how you use tentacles for the dreadlocks, since it keeps a somewhat familiar element in your design while giving it a more original twist to keep it from being purely a copypaste.

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Glad you like them Ed! The tentacles were pretty easy to come up with. All I had to do was think of octopuses at time. As for the elbows I tend to add the bony knobbly bits due to myself having rather bony elbows as a quirk. Though looking further I'm not too happy with with Lara folding her arms nor was I happy when I first drew them. 

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5 hours ago, horridus said:

Okay, so for a lark I decided to do a side-by-side of all the images we've seen of Taelor so far. 

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I feel almost like the first two shouldn't count given that they weren't made by Penders, but it's still his design so whatever. Either way, as you can see, the precise style of his hair, facial hair, facial features and even eye color is not at all consistent designwise. He looks like a new person each time, and it makes one wonder why he bothered with the Mackie trace if thats NOT gonna be the final design for this piece of crap. 

Also, I checked the Mobius wiki regarding what a 'mark' is. If that's to be believed, a mark is approximately 1.4 centimeters, and in terms of feet that means that Geoffrey is 3'8 ft and Lara-Su 3'6 ft. Sooo either Penders has an entirely different mark in mind, or he done goofed up his proportions rather soundly, cause that's definitely not the height conveyed against the supposedly 6'2 Commander Taelor. Then again, this IS the guy whose 'official bio' for Robotnik listed him at being 177 lbs.... 

Huh, never imagined that I weigh more than Robotnik.

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Fool, have you never heard of sexual dimorphism? CLEARLY YOU KNOW NOTHING OF HARD SCIENCE!

Buuut yeah, Xero's head seems to be more human proportioned than LAra-Su's or any of the other Echyd'nya we've seen so far, not to mention his face is uniformly purple whereas all the others have a peach muzzle. In fact, his facial hair is eerily similar to at least one of the Mykael Taelor's up there. 

Also, you gotta love the sheer variety of clothing demonstrated between the three Mobians here; tunics and boots and belts, and all of them fairly nondescript at that. 

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Penders has decided to enlighten us as to whom this project is aimed for. 

I should point out that what makes a 'good story' is ultimately up to the buyers, and proclaiming it a 'good story' beforehand doesn't really tell us much. And given that the recent bio of St. John explicitly made it clear that he viewed Sally as a 'conquest', I'm not sure 12 and Over is a really good assessment either. 

Ironically enough, he initially said this was meant for 'young teenage girls'. THAT didn't last too long. 

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So the dude insisting Ian has no respect for the fans is citing things like, "Middle Eastern stereotypes, and a Ferengi Fiona Fox" (whatever that means). As well as apparently being "blatantly contradicting" via his actions I guess? Anyone know what he is on about?

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21 minutes ago, Detective Tenth Doctor said:

I think the Ferengi thing is talking about the Star Trek race who are underhanded and you can never ever trust one.

Erm... pretty sure Fiona has been like that since the "real" one was found, long before Ian took over the writing, pretty sure she hung out with Evil Sonic before the change to Scourge and while Penders was still on writing duties too. So if thats what he means i wouldntbe blaming Ian for that character trait.

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1 hour ago, Tenko said:

So the dude insisting Ian has no respect for the fans is citing things like, "Middle Eastern stereotypes, and a Ferengi Fiona Fox" (whatever that means). As well as apparently being "blatantly contradicting" via his actions I guess? Anyone know what he is on about?

Pretty certain he's talking about The Shamar Freedom Fighters. As for the 'Ferengi Fiona Fox', beats me; Ferengi are known first and foremost for being greedy and cowardly. 

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No one's really done anything particularly troublesome yet, but I'm just going to head this off at the pass: this is the Ken Penders topic, there's no need to start going on about what Penders' fans or other random people are saying. That's just going to derail the thread, and complaining about things other fans say is just not a productive conversation to be having in general.

To be perfectly clear, I think everyone's done basically okay so far. It's not a problem just to mention other people's responses or talk about them briefly. I simply want to make sure we don't get lost in another tangent, like what's happened in the past with Naugus, for example.

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4 hours ago, horridus said:

Penders has decided to enlighten us as to whom this project is aimed for. 

I should point out that what makes a 'good story' is ultimately up to the buyers, and proclaiming it a 'good story' beforehand doesn't really tell us much. And given that the recent bio of St. John explicitly made it clear that he viewed Sally as a 'conquest', I'm not sure 12 and Over is a really good assessment either. 

Ironically enough, he initially said this was meant for 'young teenage girls'. THAT didn't last too long. 

Yeah, I mean, how many writers are going to come out and say "the audience for my work is people who enjoy absolute trash"?

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14 hours ago, horridus said:

Pretty certain he's talking about The Shamar Freedom Fighters. As for the 'Ferengi Fiona Fox', beats me; Ferengi are known first and foremost for being greedy and cowardly. 

Fiona never seemed cowardly to me.

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Not super on-topic, but something that's really confusing me: In the latest set of tweets between Ken and some other people regarding one of the Knuckles stories, they're all spelling Adolf Hitler's first name as Adolph.  Was that actually an official spelling of it somewhere?  I've never seen it spelled that way before now, but multiple people are using it here.

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34 minutes ago, Tylinos said:

Not super on-topic, but something that's really confusing me: In the latest set of tweets between Ken and some other people regarding one of the Knuckles stories, they're all spelling Adolf Hitler's first name as Adolph.  Was that actually an official spelling of it somewhere?  I've never seen it spelled that way before now, but multiple people are using it here.

The Adolph spelling exists. But in Hitler's case it's Adolf.

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I did some digging around, and it seems that "Adolph" is a separate name in German, while exchanging "f" for "ph" when transliterating into English is a holdover from various classical language practices which have nothing to do with twentieth-century onwards English and German.  My understanding is that nobody ever switches the two names over in German, but people do sometimes in English because they think the "ph" looks more sophisticated, even though it is completely wrong.  You can see how this fits right in to a discussion about Ken Penders.

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2 hours ago, FFWF said:

I did some digging around, and it seems that "Adolph" is a separate name in German, while exchanging "f" for "ph" when transliterating into English is a holdover from various classical language practices which have nothing to do with twentieth-century onwards English and German.  My understanding is that nobody ever switches the two names over in German, but people do sometimes in English because they think the "ph" looks more sophisticated, even though it is completely wrong.  You can see how this fits right in to a discussion about Ken Penders.

Low blow man. That last comment was completely unnecesary.

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In FFWF's defense, when I read that line, I took it to mean "who cares about facts and how words/spellings are really used?" by way of English just sort of saying "whatever" and using whatever they think looks more "sophisticated."

I mean, FFWF never mentioned Hitler, and there are people who still use that name, right? No need to assume the worst.

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I wonder what the Penderman would think of ths new echidna mentioned in the recent comic solicits, Nixus. I mean we all assume its not really an echidna due to Sega's new mandates to stick to the game story lore and all that more closely etc, I am personally in the Thrash camp currently. 

If you all remember tho, there was that point where Penders pretty much went about claiming he owned the concept of any and all post Knux echidnas. So would he see this as a breach in his deal with Archie, or a threat to his weird space echidna graphic novel. I dont think anyones brought it up with him yet..but im wondering if we are possibly in for another round of anti Archie rants soon.

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