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27 minutes ago, Mr Silvia said:

On another note, I think we may have seen Geoff more than Lara in all of the previews that Ken's shown us. I'm not going through all of this... "dubious" preview material to check for myself though. Actually, it's quite a pain in the ass to go through all of the preview stuff on his twitter, and since his website is toast... how the hell is he going to market this series?

Pretty much. Its bizarre that despite his insistence on this being Lara-Su's story and even naming the series after her, so far the most substantial things pertaining to this project revolve more around Geoffrey than it does Lara. It makes one wonder where his priorities lay precisely. As for the latter question? Who knows. Given how long this has taken him, its up in the air if he'll ever finish. 

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12 hours ago, horridus said:

The lipstick. The fact her eyes are completely different. The fact the fur pattern around her face and muzzle has changed.... girl was so shocked her facial features reconfigured themselves. 

It seriously makes me wonder if he's only drawing these things within the day he releases them, and that because he spends so much time in between giving these 'tidbits' it means his style keeps changing. 

Aye, it is indeed a naval term. One would think a former army man (even if he was just a technical artist) would at least be able to know the difference between a naval rank and an army rank, but as SenEDDtor Missile pointed out, the need to copy Star Trek compels him. To the point where he'd ignore the context of why Starfleet uses naval ranks. 

 

"The needs... of the fanboy... outweigh... the need for originality."

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18 hours ago, horridus said:

The lipstick. The fact her eyes are completely different. The fact the fur pattern around her face and muzzle has changed.... girl was so shocked her facial features reconfigured themselves. 

It seriously makes me wonder if he's only drawing these things within the day he releases them, and that because he spends so much time in between giving these 'tidbits' it means his style keeps changing.

I'm starting to wonder if like his human art the animals are done as a trace over of photos.

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Oh, he traces alright- or at the very least 'references' pre-existing images to the point where it may as well be tracing. 

Exhibit A-

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Exhibit B-

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That being said, those pages he's been showing us? They ain't traced. Its all Penders' unique brand of incompetence and inability to use digital techniques for *anything*. 

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Yeah lot of artist use references to help them draw something. Nothing wrong with that but I guess when Penders does it, it makes it feel otherwise.

Jeez, he really tried to push the Star Trek thing in the Sonic comics cuz that guy looked straight ripped out of Star Trek.

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On 4/18/2018 at 10:41 AM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Oh holy moly!

Jesus Christ, Mary, and Joseph too!

Merging with Ixis Naugus really fucked up your body Geoffrey!

 

 

yeeah, can't really see any excuse or justification around that lol

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Thanks I probably should have used reference instead of trace. I was just thinking the inconsistant art could be from adapting the characters to different source images but I could just be over thinking it.

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18 hours ago, antyep said:

Yeah lot of artist use references to help them draw something. Nothing wrong with that but I guess when Penders does it, it makes it feel otherwise.

Jeez, he really tried to push the Star Trek thing in the Sonic comics cuz that guy looked straight ripped out of Star Trek.

You are indeed correct- many artists do indeed use visual references to help with drawing, and there is indeed nothing wrong with that. The problem with Penders though is the same problem with a lot of his pop cultural references- it often crosses over into tracing/substitution. That image there is so close to the shot of Scaramanga that even the gun has only barely been altered from the original. As said, using visual references isn't bad, nor does it become bad when Penders does it- its just that Penders' 'referencing' in general blurrs or even crosses over the line from reference. That's not even getting into his insistence on using pre-existing photos and images from google whenever he can. 

Heh. No, that guy isn't a Star Trek ripoff. He's a Marvel ripoff- specifically of Spider-mans own Kraven the Hunter, right down to the name.

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The use of high tech equipment MIGHT have been a mitigating factor- but in the end, the yellow and brown color scheme, dark hair and mustache combined with his M.O. doomed him to be a ripoff. 

Now if you want a STAR TREK ripoff, look no further than the Dark Legion's Battle Cruiser. 

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The bastard child of a drunken orgy between a Klingon Bird of Prey, Romulan Warbird and the USS Enterprise, this thing is blatantly glued together from pre-existing ship designs, and unlike the infamous Millennium Falcon incident this one was directly drawn by Penders. 

Hm. Suddenly I wonder if he made the thing simply to one-up Eggman and the Egg Carrier. 

"Oh, Robotnik has a big new ship? Well.. well so does the Dark Legion now, only its cooler looking! MY VILLAINS ARE BETTER DAMMIT!" 

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7 hours ago, Adamis said:

Yeah, he has a tendency to refuse to accept that his villains might lose to Eggman. 

'Tendency' nothing- he flat out stated that the Dark Legion could 'eat Eggman (and all his incarnations) for breakfast'.

It makes him pushing the idea he was gearing up for a Legion/Eggman war all the more hilarious given that 1) Its pretty nakedly clear he already decided who was gonna win that one and use it as a means of boosting the 'prestige' of his own creation, and 2) Bollers already wrote the outcome of that scenario in Return to Angel Island, and surprise surprise- the terrorist organization that targets a single city is in fact NOT a match for the global dictator with a near inexhaustible army of robots at his disposal.

That's without even getting into the fact that in all the centuries the Legion has been doing this, they've failed each and every single time. The only person who seemed to think the Legion was in any way an equal to Robotnik/Eggman was Penders himself, and it doesn't reflect well on him at all. 

 

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51 minutes ago, horridus said:

'Tendency' nothing- he flat out stated that the Dark Legion could 'eat Eggman (and all his incarnations) for breakfast'.

It makes him pushing the idea he was gearing up for a Legion/Eggman war all the more hilarious given that 1) Its pretty nakedly clear he already decided who was gonna win that one and use it as a means of boosting the 'prestige' of his own creation, and 2) Bollers already wrote the outcome of that scenario in Return to Angel Island, and surprise surprise- the terrorist organization that targets a single city is in fact NOT a match for the global dictator with a near inexhaustible army of robots at his disposal.

That's without even getting into the fact that in all the centuries the Legion has been doing this, they've failed each and every single time. The only person who seemed to think the Legion was in any way an equal to Robotnik/Eggman was Penders himself, and it doesn't reflect well on him at all. 

 

Considering the average Eggman lunch (if Eggmanland’s foods in Unleashed is any indicator) would probably give people food poisoning at worst, I’m not surprised the Dark Legion is so incompetent. They keep eating Eggman for lunch and he pays them back through their stomach.

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Aaand we have a new update. Yet another bit of art, and oh boy, it is a doozy.

 

Jesus H. Christ that is terrifying. Seriously, I thought the Geoff pic was the stuff of nightmares, but this... this is like something out of the goddamn Stepford Wives. She looks like a homicidal, dead-eyed robot coming to murder me. And that neck... hoooly hell, that *neck*.

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And oh my! Moments later, Penders decided to show us just HOW it would look on the aformentioned title screen- thus giving us the first screenshot of the App, ever!

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Yeah, that's.... unbelievably amateurish. I wasn't expecting anything much, yet this goes below even what I was expecting. Its childish. Its amateurish. Its grade-school level. This is meant to be the App that would be able to compete with DC and Marvel's own apps, and its.... bloody hell. 

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2 hours ago, horridus said:

Oh my... she looks like she's possessed. Or being hung. Ken really can't do facial expressions. Also that menu looks like something I made as a first Flash project for University. I passed but was told that it was a bit too plain. Maybe he should have someone give proper feedback... no wait he wouldn't listen. He just doesn't learn.

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wow, she should have been made out as an alien Giraffe than an Echidna, and as for the menu, i have seen plenty of DVD menus that were simply a picture and a simple menu, that looks a bit drab (actually extremely)

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6 hours ago, horridus said:

Aaand we have a new update. Yet another bit of art, and oh boy, it is a doozy.

 

Jesus H. Christ that is terrifying. Seriously, I thought the Geoff pic was the stuff of nightmares, but this... this is like something out of the goddamn Stepford Wives. She looks like a homicidal, dead-eyed robot coming to murder me. And that neck... hoooly hell, that *neck*.

able to compete with DC and Marvel's own apps, and its.... bloody hell. 

Okay, that has to be on purpose at this point.

 

6 hours ago, horridus said:

Aaand we have a new update. Yet another bit of art, and oh boy, it is a doozy.

 

Edit:

And oh my! Moments later, Penders decided to show us just HOW it would look on the aformentioned title screen- thus giving us the first screenshot of the App, ever!

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Yeah, that's.... unbelievably amateurish. I wasn't expecting anything much, yet this goes below even what I was expecting. Its childish. Its amateurish. Its grade-school level. This is meant to be the App that would be able to compete with DC and Marvel's own apps, and its.... bloody hell. 

I looks like a cheap DVD menu or some very low effort porn game.

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On 4/17/2018 at 4:56 PM, horridus said:

Welp. What can really be said? Brownie's face is inconsistent, Geoff's head looks like a mass of tumors, the 'background' is just a gradient fill, and that picture of K'noxoff is just the same picture we've seen of him, only copypasted and shrunk down to fit that Ipad. 

Also, goes without saying, but that shading and lighting is ugly as sin. Good lordy loo, what a mess.  

more like a melted candle

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That was in response to someone, one of his avid fans even, pointing out he was missing his "committed" public release on April 21st. Which he touted a few times on his Twitter.

 

While it's true that in working for himself any proposed deadlines are essentially artificial, as he has no one to answer to but himself. I still kinda think its bad reputation wise that he sees a (in his own words) commitment, one publicly flaunted on Twitter multiple times, mainly for his fans to see and have something to look forward to, as artificial, meaningless and because no one has paid anything for anything only worth a hand wave without an apology.

Again using the excuse that his never before done by anyone, except every major comic distributor, voiced motion comic is taking longer than expected due to all it's overlapping parts. Which essentially would be fine, if he stopped loudly voicing new release dates every couple months only to not meet them over, and over, and over. Wait until the bloody thing is ready and has been submitted for iOS release before mouthing off date after date after date.

I just want to see the train crash already, hurry the hell up man!!

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He's seriously including the end of Mobius 25 Years Later. A story A.) Not drawn or inked or lettered or colored by him (Creators Rights amiright) B.) Features Sega owned Characters. Hope people are keeping Sega, Steven Butler, Jim Amash, Jason Jenson and John Workman informed. 

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49 minutes ago, Tenko said:

That was in response to someone, one of his avid fans even, pointing out he was missing his "committed" public release on April 21st. Which he touted a few times on his Twitter.

 

I can respect that as a wise move, one actual major companies with lots of money and reach have shirked.

If it wasn't for the fact that the first impression(s) was technically half a decade ago, I could do so wholeheartedly.

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3 hours ago, Tenko said:

That was in response to someone, one of his avid fans even, pointing out he was missing his "committed" public release on April 21st. Which he touted a few times on his Twitter.

 

While it's true that in working for himself any proposed deadlines are essentially artificial, as he has no one to answer to but himself. I still kinda think its bad reputation wise that he sees a (in his own words) commitment, one publicly flaunted on Twitter multiple times, mainly for his fans to see and have something to look forward to, as artificial, meaningless and because no one has paid anything for anything only worth a hand wave without an apology.

Again using the excuse that his never before done by anyone, except every major comic distributor, voiced motion comic is taking longer than expected due to all it's overlapping parts. Which essentially would be fine, if he stopped loudly voicing new release dates every couple months only to not meet them over, and over, and over. Wait until the bloody thing is ready and has been submitted for iOS release before mouthing off date after date after date.

I just want to see the train crash already, hurry the hell up man!!

He may be working for himself, but he's repeatedly touted himself as a professional, with the credentials of a professional, and stressed the idea this entire endeavor was a professional, for-profit work. Even ignoring the demonstrably LESS than professional quality of his work, part of being a professional is being disciplined enough to meet deadlines whether they come from an employer or are given to themselves. If he is really so dead-set on making this 'perfect' as he claims here (an incredibly laughable assertion given the quality of what we've seen), then maybe, just maybe, he should stop saying he'll have shit done on time and just focus on finishing things? 

It brings up questions if he even really wants to get this done, if he can brush off any and all deadlines he sets and then cheerfully be on his way. Especially since the longer he takes on it, the more time he gives the technology he's working with to advance beyond his current means. He's already had to re-reformat everything due to advances in the software that had passed between the time he started this and the present. He's going to be stuck in an eternal cycle of upgrading and then being outdated again, all because of his own slovenly work ethic and fixation on a bunch of utterly useless little gimmicks. All in a shoddy package that an elementary school student could have done. 

What a waste. 

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