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On 6/16/2018 at 2:16 AM, horridus said:

The point of the thread, at least, is to observe his progress in this project and see where the end is in all of this. For many, something near and dear died so that this project could exist, and at the very least there is the desire to see what was so all-fired important that it justified a comic they loved, one with years of investment, being gutted and rebooted in order to appease this man's 'true' vision for his characters. Likewise, this thread also serves to provide a bit of context regarding how we got to this point and to at least try and provide more accurate information regarding the trial and Penders own actions/career leading up to it and after it, given that Penders himself has been caught repeatedly lying about his accomplishments or muddling information towards that end. 

Regarding his issues on twitter though- stuff like this tends to be the direct cause of it.

Namely the fact that despite his claims to the contrary, Penders cannot help but pull crap like this- he cannot help but needle his former employers AND the people who currently hold the Sonic license, nor stop himself from behaving like this at every possible opportunity. This man is not simply a hack writer with delusions of grandeur- he's a very malicious, childish individual who demands praise for putting in as little effort as possible in his project while trying to paint himself as the High Holy Savior of the Sonic franchise despite that fact being demonstrably false on a number of levels.

You're quite correct that he garners a lot of harsh responses. Likewise you are correct that discussing his personal life or speculating as such is quite unacceptable. That being said though, this man brings every last inch of the criticism he faces on himself, largely because of how he responds to said criticism. Whether its harsh and blunt or politely disagreeing, Penders absolutely, completely, totally refuses to hear anything less than lavish praise of him and his work. Its been that way for a while now. Even now he's acting like a petulant child because the Sonic movie is happening without him, obsessing over it and screaming to the heavens, all carrying the not so subtle implication that it'd be better if HE was doing it. Penders was always going to attract a certain level of vitriol, but the reality is that a tremendous portion of it is his own damn fault. He would save himself a great deal of grief if he would simply put up, shut up and get on with his life. That he has not moved past behaving like a spiteful machild in all the years that have passed since he announced this endeavor is entirely his own fault, as is his inability to handle himself diplomatically. 

Having said all that, you are correct that at times, the point of having this thread seems increasingly fraught. At the rate things are going there's not a lot else that can really be said by this point. Sooner rather than later it will be 2020, and it is increasingly apparent that there will be no release within that time, and that his actual level of dedication to finishing this within his lifetime is increasingly nebulous looking. Not even the excuse that he is going it alone can cushion the fact that for all the time he has had since this started, there is precious little to really show for it. Even that App he keeps trying to hype only exists within his own phone. 

There's really only so many ways we can point out the flaws in this work, and I'm not sure how much longer this thread can go before its officially just going through the motions. A shame, because I do think there is a point to this thread in that it allows people who lost something they loved in the name of this man's ambitions to at least try and get a bit of closure over it, but it would seem that Penders staggering incompetence will deny them even that. 

....aaand ah, having said all that- another teensy little art update. 

Hello again, photographed backgrounds. You were not missed. I must also confess to finding it grimly amusing that he's decided to make this update all about the human co-star of this project, given that he decried the details of the Sonic movie and the Cop Buddy. It'd be a legitimate complaint, natch, if he wasn't also doing the same kind of thing in his own work. 

i think its just me, but that ship looks similar to Spock's ship in the JJ Abram's Star ship, the only difference besides the colour it looks like it does not spin on around its "core".

And as for his "insight" to the sonic movie, i know a lot of people are cynical about it, but it shouldn't be warranted mentioning it, it just shows that he is not capable of moving on- not to mention he did something similar in Sonic Live but for comic books. And im not surprised and also disappointed that he has shown disdain to the thought of someone else making a Sonic movie without him- and he even insulted another person who had hoped to make a Sonic movie. I unfortunately saw that trailer and going as it is, that was a really terrible trailer- especially since he tried to insert himself into it.

As for the film developers, maybe they were more focused on actually getting the film done, like, they would have spent more time and commitment than just making constant tweets, spending time on netflix and films.

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53 minutes ago, RedFox99 said:

Anyone here ever met Penders in person?

No but I bought a comic off of him years ago. In the early 2000s I got into the Archie comics and I started buying older comics. Some through the comic itself and some on eBay. So I bought the Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles Super Special off of eBay and the return address on the package was Ken Penders. I thought it was weird that he was selling the comics on eBay.

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On 6/17/2018 at 12:26 AM, Sidronas said:

I unfortunately saw that trailer and going as it is, that was a really terrible trailer- especially since he tried to insert himself into it.

There's a trailer for the Sonic Movie out?

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Just now, Ernest-Panda said:

If you mean Ken’s pitch for “Sonic Armageddon”, yes.

 

Idk if this is what he was referring to or not yet, but okay smarty.

 

Ah min, I remember this. Is that girl supposed to be Irish or something?

Gotta love that jump in tone and quality half way through.

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And they will eventually fade away by way of a time paradox, making it a 100% clean cut. But that's just me...

In all honesty, I do not understand this to a certain degree. The Archie Sonic comic is gone, and many of the fans of the original and rebooted run either moved on to something else or jumped ship to IDW. There may be some that are genuinely interested in this app and I can respect to a degree that he would want to do what George Lucas did and put a story of a franchise in his own direction (the first original movie and the prequel trilogy), even though there would be a chance of complications and failure, even though Lucas already created/owned the franchise and Mr. Penders got his copyrights through a technicality, but I honestly do not see this going very far. I could be wrong, but only time will tell, if/when (emphasis on both terms) this app is finally released. 

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6 hours ago, horridus said:

 

Uuuh...huh. Okay then. Cool beans. Not confusing at all. Nope. It all will make sense. It happened, except it didn't happen, except it did happen, and now this guy is that guy but still this guy and blah blah blah. 

 

Pff timeline changing is just retcons with in-universe justification.

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There is like no way this thing is going to sell outside of his microscopic fanbase. That's part of the reason I want it too release already so it can crash and burn and he can start ranting about how it was everybody's fault but his.

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On 6/21/2018 at 6:58 PM, Promethean0416 said:

And they will eventually fade away by way of a time paradox, making it a 100% clean cut. But that's just me...

In all honesty, I do not understand this to a certain degree. The Archie Sonic comic is gone, and many of the fans of the original and rebooted run either moved on to something else or jumped ship to IDW. There may be some that are genuinely interested in this app and I can respect to a degree that he would want to do what George Lucas did and put a story of a franchise in his own direction (the first original movie and the prequel trilogy), even though there would be a chance of complications and failure, even though Lucas already created/owned the franchise and Mr. Penders got his copyrights through a technicality, but I honestly do not see this going very far. I could be wrong, but only time will tell, if/when (emphasis on both terms) this app is finally released. 

I kinda have a speculation that TLSC will eventually be little more than a springboard into something even less connected to Sonic. 

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1 minute ago, Miragnarok said:

I kinda have a speculation that TLSC will eventually be little more than a springboard into something even less connected to Sonic. 

Considering the number of times he tried to make the original Archie Comics about his Echidna Suetopia and kill off/make irrelevant anyone else who didn't fit his narrow vision of his "epic", you are probably not far off the mark. Granted knowing him, he'll probably still end up throwing in pseudo-Sonic pandering elements to try to piggyback off Sonic even then.

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On 6/22/2018 at 2:11 AM, Razule said:

Pff timeline changing is just retcons with in-universe justification.

Just realized I missed a perfect opportunity for a Steven Universe reference

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"Timeline altering is a cheap tactic to make weak retcons sensible"

Nailed it

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3 hours ago, Ernest-Panda said:

Considering a comic series that lasted for one whole issue is considered a “bestseller” in Kenders Land, he’ll probrably do everything in his power to pretend it was a hit.

Ah so he's the creator of Sonic the Hedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna. 

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On 6/23/2018 at 9:13 AM, Shaun Shikeishuu said:

Ah so he's the creator of Sonic the Hedgehog and Knuckles the Echidna. 

In his heart of hearts he likely believes it. He's been careful to not explicitly phrase it that way, but he HAS said things like how he brought value to Knuckles and even referred to himself as the 'savior' of the comic at one point, and repeatedly pushes the idea of how much more successful the brand would be if only those FOOLS at SEGA would follow HIS vision (paraphrased, naturally). Read between the lines and it becomes pretty clear that he views himself as being more 'worthy' of that title than the actual people who made and own the Sonic franchise. 

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Its the nature of the business but I can see how it could be hard to accept that the biggest thing you've done in your career, something you spent over a decade working on be a combination of something that will never really be acknowledged by the main brand, something that can successfully go on without your input and be thrown away so easily.

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10 minutes ago, Rabid-Coot said:

Its the nature of the business but I can see how it could be hard to accept that the biggest thing you've done in your career, something you spent over a decade working on be a combination of something that will never really be acknowledged by the main brand, something that can successfully go on without your input and be thrown away so easily.

But this is the same for Flynn, Yardley, Sanley... Tangle's not gonna be in the game but is still popular.

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1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

But this is the same for Flynn, Yardley, Sanley... Tangle's not gonna be in the game but is still popular.

I think most that work on licenced properties do have realistic expectations about the chances that something they made crosses over into the main product or maybe even further. I just get the feeling that Penders is a rare case of someone unable to accept that something that took up a significant of their life is so disposable.

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7 hours ago, Rabid-Coot said:

I think most that work on licenced properties do have realistic expectations about the chances that something they made crosses over into the main product or maybe even further. I just get the feeling that Penders is a rare case of someone unable to accept that something that took up a significant of their life is so disposable.

Preetty much. Penders developed a really possessive and entitled view of the Sonic comics he worked on, refusing to acknowledge other writers unless he had to and getting into a feud with Bollers for daring to suggest that 25YL was 'a' future rather than 'the' future. He then made it clear that if he ever came back to the book he would just ignore what Flynn did and pick up where he left off, and then later had the gall to claim that Flynn should have called and consulted him about his plans and such after Penders had left, claiming it was a 'courtesy'. 

I blame the circumstances in which he worked on the comic. He pretty much ruled the roost over at Archie for years, and frankly I think it spoiled him. 

 

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53 minutes ago, horridus said:

Preetty much. Penders developed a really possessive and entitled view of the Sonic comics he worked on, refusing to acknowledge other writers unless he had to and getting into a feud with Bollers for daring to suggest that 25YL was 'a' future rather than 'the' future. He then made it clear that if he ever came back to the book he would just ignore what Flynn did and pick up where he left off, and then later had the gall to claim that Flynn should have called and consulted him about his plans and such after Penders had left, claiming it was a 'courtesy'.  

I blame the circumstances in which he worked on the comic. He pretty much ruled the roost over at Archie for years, and frankly I think it spoiled him.

I know people like that in real life, they are very nice and decent people, but can't change opinions at all (like politics for example).

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9 hours ago, Rabid-Coot said:

I think most that work on licenced properties do have realistic expectations about the chances that something they made crosses over into the main product or maybe even further. I just get the feeling that Penders is a rare case of someone unable to accept that something that took up a significant of their life is so disposable.

I think it has more to do about being professional about it. If you're paid to create characters for a company, you know well that the company will rightfully reserve all and every right on how the characters you created will be used both in the present and future. Naturally people will grow to be attached to thr things they help create, but also are aware of who ultimately owns them and will know to move on once their services are no longer required. 

Just imagine if Kenji Terada, the author behind those old Sonic manga that featured early concepts for actual game characters like Amy or Charmy tried to pull a Penders and fought Sega for the ownership of those characters. That wouldn't look very professional on his end.

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5 minutes ago, Skull Leader said:

I think it has more to do about being professional about it. If you're paid to create characters for a company, you know well that the company will rightfully reserve all and every right on how the characters you created will be used both in the present and future. Naturally people will grow to be attached to thr things they help create, but also are aware of who ultimately owns them and will know to move on once their services are no longer required. 

Just imagine if Kenji Terada, the author behind those old Sonic manga that featured early concepts for actual game characters like Amy or Charmy tried to pull a Penders and fought Sega for the ownership of those characters. That wouldn't look very professional on his end.

Plus, regardless of contract or not, some of the characters are straight up clones of other characters like Scourge.

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