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4 hours ago, Adamis said:

"CyberDark"...

You know, even if they're villains, is it their goal to tell people "hey we are EVIL, we have DARK in our name, now shake in terror" ...? Do they even see themselves as villains ?

You could be a villain but see yourself being right or anything, and not resorting to using "dark" or "evil" or whatever just to emphasize your bad side... 

 

One would think so. A name like "Dark Legion" tends to indicate a very high level of self-awareness. I've seen one other bit of fiction use it for a faction, and said faction was literally comprised of demons from hell and their followers, who tend to be pretty believable as far as 'knowingly evil villains' go. Only problem is, Penders has long seemed to imply that the Dark Legion actually had some kind of legitimate point to make and did not see themselves as the villains of the story... despite rather explicitly comparing them to Nazis and giving them a name like "Dark Legion", while going out of his way to demonstrate virtually all of their leadership as power hungry and sadistic to a T. 

I think it was IAn Flynn who suggested they adopted the 'Dark Legion' name simply to intimidate people. One might also presume that, as the descendants of burrowing animals who spent much of their time underground, that maybe there is a cultural context at play- that much like the Dwarves of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books, 'darkness' holds a positive connotation rather than a negative one among the Echidna, and so, 'Dark Legion' or 'CyberDark' might actually mean something less menacing to them than it does us... ah, but then you remember this is a Penders. Such things are far, far beyond his grasp and his ability to convey. 

I think a big part of it is Penders simply having a skewed take on storytelling in general. He wants to present things as complex and multifaceted, but at the same time wants to rely on the kind of clear distinctions in morality that a lot of children's fiction has, and in the end result he just winds up mangling both and creating something that is too ludicrous and simple for adults while being too heady and complicated for kids. It's kind of amazing, really. 

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On 3/11/2019 at 3:09 PM, horridus said:

Aye, he did. Which is decidedly ironic given that I'm pretty certain the map he made for Mobius is what inspired the 'Mobius Is Actually Future Earth' development to begin with.

Image result for Archie Map of Mobiuscall

Now, call me crazy, but maybe, just MAYBE, if you want to present a setting as a wholly alien planet? Then perhaps you SHOULDN'T make the geography of the place look like a modified version of Earth's own. Call it a hunch. 

What gets me about this is that this map was specifically done for "Brave New World," a story he wrote and (well, mostly) illustrated. It's kind of weird to learn he apparently rejected this concept later on because it's what opened up how to develop the world of the comic. Like, when did that happen?

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9 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

What gets me about this is that this map was specifically done for "Brave New World," a story he wrote and (well, mostly) illustrated. It's kind of weird to learn he apparently rejected this concept later on because it's what opened up how to develop the world of the comic. Like, when did that happen?

I don't think it was so much that he rejected the concept so much as him never having seen it that way to begin with. You forget that Penders is far, far more comfortable in the shoddiness of his work than most writers or artists would be. In all likelihood he found it perfectly acceptable to his idea that Mobius is a wholly alien world to give it a geography that was likely traced from a map of Earth and then simply altered here and there. It probably never occurred to him that others would look upon it, notice the similarity and use that in conjunction with Mobius' inhabitants primarily being anthropomorphic animals to decide that Mobius was in fact a future version of Earth. To say nothing of Penders doing crap like having 2001: A Space Odyssey evidently be a book that Echidnas read... 

So yeah, I don't think he saw things one way and then later changed his mind. I think he always saw things one way and was just too lazy to do any better, only to get huffy when someone else finally pulled the trigger and gave a definite answer as to Mobius' nature, one that stood contrary to his view of things. 

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13 minutes ago, Zaysho said:

What gets me about this is that this map was specifically done for "Brave New World," a story he wrote and (well, mostly) illustrated. It's kind of weird to learn he apparently rejected this concept later on because it's what opened up how to develop the world of the comic. Like, when did that happen?

 

4 minutes ago, horridus said:

I don't think it was so much that he rejected the concept so much as him never having seen it that way to begin with. You forget that Penders is far, far more comfortable in the shoddiness of his work than most writers or artists would be. In all likelihood he found it perfectly acceptable to his idea that Mobius is a wholly alien world to give it a geography that was likely traced from a map of Earth and then simply altered here and there. It probably never occurred to him that others would look upon it, notice the similarity and use that in conjunction with Mobius' inhabitants primarily being anthropomorphic animals to decide that Mobius was in fact a future version of Earth. To say nothing of Penders doing crap like having 2001: A Space Odyssey evidently be a book that Echidnas read... 

So yeah, I don't think he saw things one way and then later changed his mind. I think he always saw things one way and was just too lazy to do any better, only to get huffy when someone else finally pulled the trigger and gave a definite answer as to Mobius' nature, one that stood contrary to his view of things. 

I like how most of civilization is in Mobius America while apparently 90% of the rest of the world is a wasteland.

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9 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

You know at least TMNT started as a much more serious darker comic book series as a parody to the dark comic book series in the 80's, Sonic at the end of the day began and was always a colorful series meant to appeal to a wilder audience.

 

There is a reason why the edgyness of Shadow the Hedgehog rubbed people the wrong way. Having swear words in your comic doesn't make your comic more adult Penders dear.

Shh, please don't let on. I want to see how much deeper this well goes. ;)

7 hours ago, Adamis said:

"CyberDark"...

You know, even if they're villains, is it their goal to tell people "hey we are EVIL, we have DARK in our name, now shake in terror" ...? Do they even see themselves as villains ?

You could be a villain but see yourself being right or anything, and not resorting to using "dark" or "evil" or whatever just to emphasize your bad side... 

 

I was JUST thinking, "Of all the parts of that name to change, of course he picks the one that makes the most sense."

1 hour ago, horridus said:

I don't think it was so much that he rejected the concept so much as him never having seen it that way to begin with. You forget that Penders is far, far more comfortable in the shoddiness of his work than most writers or artists would be. In all likelihood he found it perfectly acceptable to his idea that Mobius is a wholly alien world to give it a geography that was likely traced from a map of Earth and then simply altered here and there. It probably never occurred to him that others would look upon it, notice the similarity and use that in conjunction with Mobius' inhabitants primarily being anthropomorphic animals to decide that Mobius was in fact a future version of Earth. To say nothing of Penders doing crap like having 2001: A Space Odyssey evidently be a book that Echidnas read... 

So yeah, I don't think he saw things one way and then later changed his mind. I think he always saw things one way and was just too lazy to do any better, only to get huffy when someone else finally pulled the trigger and gave a definite answer as to Mobius' nature, one that stood contrary to his view of things. 

Penders takes someone else's original design/concept, smudges it a bit, and declares it his own wholly unique and distinct creation. 

In other words, business as usual for him.

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On 3/11/2019 at 3:09 PM, horridus said:

Image result for Archie Map of Mobiuscall

Ok, I've seen this map before... wait, what the fuck? What's with number 28? The "LETHAL RADIOACTIVE ZONE" !?! I don't remember seeing this on the map before, and I sure as shit don't remember Sonic going to Chernobyl in the comic! lmao, any idea what gives?

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34 minutes ago, horridus said:

Got ourselves another update that isn't actually an update- page layouts.

 

I will say that this does look better than Penders' final, finished products, but geeze their faces are giving me the creeps something fierce. 

Yeah, I was about to say, it actually doesn't look half bad. 

Though yes, the nose is making think of Miniseries!Pennywise.

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On 3/17/2019 at 12:30 PM, Mr Silvia said:

Ok, I've seen this map before... wait, what the fuck? What's with number 28? The "LETHAL RADIOACTIVE ZONE" !?! I don't remember seeing this on the map before, and I sure as shit don't remember Sonic going to Chernobyl in the comic! lmao, any idea what gives?

There's a few locations on the map that never showed up in the comic, for whatever reason. They might've just come up with cool-sounding locations with the intention of maybe using them later but it never happened.

I've actually always wondered what the Land of a Million Lights is supposed to be.

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1 minute ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

Makes me think he should just stick to hand drawing and maybe using pencils for coloring. Might work better than his 2000s era photoshop skills.

Yeah, I've said this before, but he generally works a lot better with more traditional drawing and coloring methods than he does with digital. Alas, for whatever reason he himself does not seem to realize this even remotely, and so inflicts horror upon the world with his shoddiness. 

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On 3/19/2019 at 7:57 PM, Heckboy said:

 

I've actually always wondered what the Land of a Million Lights is supposed to be.

It was initially gonna end up being the assigned location of the Battlebird Armada under Mr. Flynn.

But unfortunately, it never got used.

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"CyberDark".

Now that sounds very CyberDANK. I would have gone with "The Cyber Punks" myself but I guess a name that goofy goes against the super sophisticated naming convention of Dr. Evil Bad and his legion of doom.

You know, if they wanted to remain inconspicuous, they should have just called themselves "CyberFun". ☺️

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2 hours ago, PublicEnemy1 said:

Since this topic finally came back to me, has Ken said anything stupid?

other then implying Paramount took inspiration from his art for the Sonic movie, still talking about how he won the case against Archie, and ignoring people critizing his recent previewed work of TLC so nothing new.

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Yep. Could have died a happy guy never, ever knowing this had even crossed Penders' mind even once, buuut hey, that would mean having expectations of basic decency for him, and we all know how futile THAT one is. No really, it's a wonderful feeling to have, that with each revelation of how this guy's brain works the more and more I find myself regretting. 

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1 hour ago, Tylinos said:

Just as a reminder, based on ages Ken himself gave during the book's run, Sally would have been 16, while Geoffrey would have been 22.

Please

 

 

End me. What the flying hedgehog am I reading.

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2 hours ago, Tylinos said:

Just as a reminder, based on ages Ken himself gave during the book's run, Sally would have been 16, while Geoffrey would have been 22.

Why? Why did he feel the need to share this with everyone? 

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1 hour ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

Please

 

 

End me. What the flying hedgehog am I reading.

I"m aware you aren't too fond of the Archie comics. Think, during all that time he was writing the characters you like from the games poorly, or sometimes not even at all to focus on the archie cast. This is the type of shit he was thinking about doing with them

 

I have never been more appreciative of Ian flynn than right now

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