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22 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

It was such an impressive story, they named a chess move after it.

Dr.Strange draws arcane symbols in the air and pulls forth from a pocket dimension his Sonic the Hedgehog chess set. Dormammu's first mistake was allowing Strange to pick the rules of engagement.

 

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Strange: "Ok, I'll be playing as the Mobians, and you will be the Badniks..."
Dormammu: "What is a... 'badnik'?"

Strange, smirking: "Glad you asked."

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On 5/18/2019 at 10:22 AM, Silvereyes said:

It was such an impressive story, they named a chess move after it.

Or which came first

On 5/17/2019 at 10:18 PM, CleverSonicUsername said:

"We're in the endgame now" whispers Dr.Strange, mentally congratulating himself for an obscure reference to an old Sonic the Hedgehog comic book.

This is a weird mcu and sonic crossover 

On 5/17/2019 at 1:24 AM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I understood about half of that. I'm gonna need to get a bit further in my readings it looks like because laughing at that sounds like it'll be fun.

 

Ok

On 5/17/2019 at 1:21 AM, DabigRG said:

I honestly did not know about the specific date. :lol

Me neither 

On 5/17/2019 at 1:17 AM, horridus said:

Oh-ho, you're gonna 'love' this- that Golden Gamma clone was called "Isaac", and it was created by Dr. Ivan Robotnik, the ancestor of Eggman born June 6, 2006 (06/06/06... yes, really). Ivan Robotnik was the scientist who abducted the Xorda emissary (those one eyed alien squid things), and as such is indirectly responsible for the creation of Mobius given that they gene-bombed the planet in retaliation, which resulted in the creation of Mobians and everything else. He squirreled himself away in a cryo-chamber, and Isaac was deployed to guard and eventually re-awaken him.

It's pretty clear that Penders was intending on him becoming a new major villain, given the oh so subtle birth-date of '666', buuut when Flynn came on board, he basically retconned that Ivan had been dead for a while now and that Isaac's robotic mind had rotted to the point where he was basically crazy. 

So Ken is the anti Chris or false prophet you make the call

On 5/17/2019 at 1:14 AM, DabigRG said:

They're not that complicated,to be honest. Just call them Minor Major Characters. 

Minor but they still have some stories but not enough to effect the plot

On 5/17/2019 at 1:12 AM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

The "Xorda" were a thing I've heard whispers about too. Again though, I only remember them being mentioned and shown fighting with the Black Arms. There was an issue where Gerald explained that the Black Arms were coming back but then someone, I think it was Sonic, said they were fighting with the Xorda.

Which to me was code for "We can't put the Black Arms in the book so here's our explanation for why we're not doing the Shadow the Hedgehog adaptation". 

I don't know who or what the Xorda really are though but I'll find out on my journey through these old ass books.

Ken ripped off 2001 a space odyssey!

On 5/17/2019 at 1:00 AM, DabigRG said:

Something about protecting Robotnik's distant ancestor after he froze himself before the Xorda retaliated. 

Ok that was the most complicated evil plot I ever heard even for eggman 

On 5/17/2019 at 12:31 AM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

It was interesting to say the least. When I finally decided I wanted to catch up on the comic, my grandpa ordered the issues from as far back as they offered and 150 onward is where it landed. I've never read any of what happened before 150 but those 10 issues were some of the worst, most confusing, horrendous looking, vomit inducing things I'd ever seen in association with Sonic. It sucked even more knowing that some of the covers actually had the characters looking right on them.

I had no clue what the deal was with the Golden Gamma robot clone that was guarding a corpse was about or why everyone looked like they were made of silly string and melted skin. 

So when things started to look better at 160, I just put those in the binder as my starting point and left the other 10 out. I still have them. They're collecting dust in a dresser next to me. 

Good for you

On 5/17/2019 at 12:16 AM, horridus said:

Oof. My sympathies. That period is literally the WORST period in the comic, bar none. 

Same here

On 5/17/2019 at 12:01 AM, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I can't wait until I eventually reach Endgame in my back-log reading. 

Again, I'm mostly familiar with Issues 160 and beyond.

I have 10 issues before that, from 150 to 159 but I hated all of those and they all looked ugly. 

How ugly are we talking about?

On 5/16/2019 at 11:50 PM, DabigRG said:

It was very much a product of its time. You appreciate it for what it was trying to be, but flinch at the ridiculousness of what actually comprised it.

Yeah it has the late 90’s and early 2000’s written all over it the 90’s won’t dies

On 5/16/2019 at 10:46 PM, Silvereyes said:

I actually like the Endgame saga. Not to say any of the criticisms aren't valid, there are plotholes you can drive trucks through, the whole Sonic disguise thing especially is very bizarrely convoluted and seems like could of been replaced with something far more simple. Not to mention my complaint with it is that for essentially a climatic storyline, I do think Sally should of been a part of it since at this point in the Archie series, she is the second main character behind Sonic.

But I dunno, I like how much of a climax it is. Robotnik comes so close to winning, the Freedom Fighters are torn apart, Sonic is on the run, Sally is presumed dead, all the major characters at the time get to do a little something. I think it does try to pull out all the stops for an end of an era story and in that respect, I think it works. I actually really like the ending when Sonic finds Sally and kisses her, even if it is cliche.

That plot was shittiest eggman plots I ever seen in a while

On 5/16/2019 at 5:33 PM, KingScoopaKoopa said:

Yeah, my young thoughts at the time we're that Sonic and Tails should just leave the Freedom Fighters after that, since they apparently didn't trust him.

Yeah he could of just left and Stared a new group of freedom fighters or something 

On 5/16/2019 at 5:23 PM, DabigRG said:

Too much of a nice ring to change.

Also, they weren't actually major characters.

Ok

On 5/16/2019 at 4:53 PM, SBR2 said:

Ok forget how ungodly awful he looks...why is there still a Mysterious CAT Country when every one either has scientific animal names or stupid Sci-Fi terms for species names? I guess "Mysterious Feline Country" doesn't have the same ring.

I made me puke when I saw it

On 5/16/2019 at 11:04 AM, horridus said:

Indeed. To say nothing of the fact that Sonic by that point had been framed at least THREE times in the past, and the FFs were aware that Robotnik could make robot duplicates that look exactly like real people. Or the fact that the arc takes several beats directly from 'The Fugitive'. Or the fact that the outcome of Endgame was more thanks to Snively than Sonic. 

Like, from an objective standpoint, as far as 'Greatest Storylines' go, this one is pretty shoddily executed and haphazard. A lot of it only works because Penders as the author forces it to, without regard for anything beyond seeing the story get from point A to point B. Likewise, his given logic for what makes it the 'greatest', that it reset the status quo and as such everything that came after is based upon it, rings pretty hollow given the other issues where the status quo was reset, such as Issue 75, Issue 125, Eggman Empire and so forth. He's essentially demanding that he be recognized as having greater importance and influence over subsequent storylines than he has rightfully earned. 

Duly noted, but I maintain that it's still not a good look to suddenly go on about his own Doctor character while IDW is getting praise for the one that they introduced in the comics, between his history of ragging on the book and cheerfully lifting shit from other franchises. 

Great explanation 

On 5/16/2019 at 4:01 AM, Adamis said:

I don't think so.

Dr Zephyr is in the rough pages I translated a little more than one year ago, with no design though.

Ok

On 5/16/2019 at 12:51 AM, Tylinos said:

Not to mention the truly brilliant plot where Robotnik concocts a plan to frame Sonic for murder, which involves inventing a Sonic suit that makes anyone wearing it see people as Snively, teaming up with a Mobian despite his hatred of them, trusting that Mobian to convince his girlfriend to wear the suit and kill "Snively" so Sonic would be hailed as a hero, and hope that the person wearing the suit never happened to look at anyone other than Sally while wearing it.

All while he could've just, you know, put a Sonic suit on a Metal Sonic instead.

Dammit robonik

On 5/15/2019 at 4:39 PM, Ryannumber1gamer said:

July 1966 is when the character was introduced into Fantastic Four before getting his own comic.

I know some it’s of that story

On 5/15/2019 at 4:40 PM, DabigRG said:

Woah, him too?

Yep

On 5/15/2019 at 4:43 PM, KingScoopaKoopa said:

Can't tell if you're being facetious, since he more or less did precisely that.

I not so sure

On 5/15/2019 at 4:45 PM, Ryannumber1gamer said:

No, I legitimately did not know he did that, or at least do not remember it. He does so much idiotic nonsense that it becomes difficult to recount all of it.

Good lord, I was just trying to state something downright utterly ridiculous. 

Dammit ken

On 5/15/2019 at 9:46 PM, KingScoopaKoopa said:

For reference:

Tried to link to this, since direct exposure to Penders' Twitter is ill-advised, and it just popped up like this instead. Hope that's okay.

I saw that and for some reason it made me hulk out

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On 5/15/2019 at 4:36 PM, DabigRG said:

...What?

 

Speaking of which, when did Black Panther as a comic come out?

The late 1960’s

On 5/15/2019 at 4:12 PM, Kellodrawsalot said:

someone tweeted at him that there are better more beloved arcs in the books and they mention stuff by Bollers and the Post-Reboot arcs. Penders said that all those arcs were build up from Endgame...like how does he know that when he flat out addmited he never read any of the other works?

He needs to read other stuff than his other works

On 5/15/2019 at 4:12 PM, DabigRG said:

Oh that's right, the Downunda Freedom Fighters were Gallagher's. What did Mr. Bollers do though?

Mammoth mogul I think I could be wrong 

On 5/15/2019 at 4:05 PM, RobotnikHolmes said:

Lol, I guess the dude forgot that there was more than one writer for the Endgame saga. 👀 Both Gallagher and Bollers had a hand in the build-up issues and the proper #50. Then again, Penders isn't above diminishing the importance of other writers on the book...

Ken needs to stop

On 5/15/2019 at 3:57 PM, Ryannumber1gamer said:

At this rate, I'm surprised he isn't claiming the Russos read Endgame, and loved his storytelling so much that they used Endgame as the title of the final Avengers movie as an unofficial tribute. 

Or y'know, claiming Avengers Endgame ripped him off. Both are equally ridiculous yet equally in-line with PendersLogic. 

Insert lawsuit joke here

On 5/15/2019 at 3:53 PM, horridus said:

Nah, it's just some texturing of the fur that looks a bit like it, nothing more. 

 

 

Penders? Tooting his own horn? Shock and horror. This is so very out of character for a man normally defined by his humility and ability to give due credit to his peers on the book. Whatever is the world coming to?

In seriousness, don't pay it any mind. If he really thinks his ripoff of The Fugitive is THE best storyline in the history of the comic, then it's just another sign of his inability/refusal to move past the 90s. 

Ken is narcissist plain and simple

On 5/15/2019 at 3:47 PM, DabigRG said:

Oh, I know there's a lot of stories. I was just questioning the specific term storyline, which implies cohesive serialization.

How many stories 

On 5/15/2019 at 3:40 PM, KingScoopaKoopa said:

He's been going for nearly 30 years now, so there have been a lot of stories.

Endgame might have been the best one to date, and even then, that would require me checking the calendar.

And that's not even getting into other media...

Ok

On 5/15/2019 at 3:38 PM, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I'm pretty sure it's nothing, it just looks like he drew the shading of the hairline particularly badly. To me, it looks like the overly shaded end of a stand of hair. If you look closely, you can see a strand of hair poking out of the piece of hair that resembles a scar/N. 

Sonic's had more than enough to warrant such a claim. The problem is that Ken Penders is an egotistical man who doesn't read others' stories, and thinks his work is the best work. It'd be one thing if he said Endgame is the best of what he did for Sonic, but best overall? Yeah fucking right.

Ian's worst work is still about 50 times better than Endgame. Hell, at least the likes of Iron Dominion still had an interesting story, and had the characters actually in-character. Endgame had everyone get hit with the idioticy ball as they believed Sonic is capable of murder, capable of murdering someone he loved, and the only reason anyone stops believing that is because dragons now suddenly have magical truth detection abilities (never brought up before). This is coming from the man who also believes he should own Knuckles because "his stories brought value to the character". 

As for what are actually the best storylines IMO, I'd like to point you towards Eggman Empire (174-177), Scrambled (SU 37-41), Champions (268-271), Control (264-267). Lead-up and aftermath of Genesis (219-224 and 230-235 retrospectively ) are also excellent, not sure if I'd qualify them as best though.

Are those storylines good

On 5/15/2019 at 3:21 PM, DabigRG said:

Has Sonic really had that many storylines to warrant such a claim?

No

On 5/15/2019 at 3:18 PM, Kellodrawsalot said:

Ken Penders apparently said in a tweet response that he wrote the greatest storyline in Sonic's history. (Endgame)

 

I just can not with this man

 

Well report the bastard and his some of his toxic followers to twitter to remove them any of their tweets are a clear and present danger to the sonic community 

On 5/15/2019 at 3:16 PM, DabigRG said:

Well, I suppose better that than what I was thinking.

Yes 

On 5/15/2019 at 1:52 PM, Ellipsis-Ultima said:

...why am I getting the feeling that he's trying to reference Harry Potter.

Well he jk Rowling say both sexually deviant things

On 5/15/2019 at 1:38 PM, DabigRG said:

Criminy, those eyes!

Still, good on him for involving a member of the Felidae. Though it does make me wonder about where this character falls morality-wise.

Also, is that an N on his forehead?

Do you think Ken is sexual repressed like jk Rowling or something?

On 5/15/2019 at 3:42 AM, Ernest the Panda said:

Ken really needs to stop giving his characters four fingers. There’s a reason they were invented for use on cartoony characters.

He should draw 5 fingers like Normal people

On 5/14/2019 at 11:58 PM, horridus said:

Aaand we have a tiny LSC update. Oh, nothing as substantial as a new page, but that "Dr. Zephyr" has been sketched out.

 

Though I wish to God he hadn't been. God, I mistook the collar of his outfit as being his neck folds...!

You know, as a side note, but I cannot help but feel that this guy exists purely because Dr. Starline is enjoying a great deal of popularity thanks to IDW. 

Why does it look like he stole something from somewhere else?

On 5/13/2019 at 11:29 PM, StellarBlur said:

I can't believe this Penders asshole. Those tweets are out of this world and a blemish on the series.

Ken and some of his toxic should be removed from twitter on the grounds of making threats and harassing others 

On 5/13/2019 at 10:32 PM, DabigRG said:

Yes Mr. Penders, that's what fanfics are for.

Well at least he is not suing them 

On 5/13/2019 at 10:23 PM, MightyRay said:

Just thought I'd pop in and show my two cents on this take. He has responded to me but it's not great.

 

Jesus Christ Ken

On 5/13/2019 at 9:23 PM, CleverSonicUsername said:

As a writer, i always ask myself "who do character fuck?" Ask any writer and they'll tell you, they always do several drafts exploring their character's sex having from all angles. Does this character work better as a gay, an asexual, is he a player??? I have hundreds of documents in my filing cabinet, each one exploring that great question. Anyway, I just moved in across the street and by law I have to inform you that I am a registered sex offender.

Edit: Oh my god that one about how asexual characters are "less interesting." It really tells you what kind of writer Ken is that the only layer of depth worth caring about with a character is whether they're sexually attracted to someone and who specifically they're attracted to.

Ken might be one as sex offender as well lol sarcasm 

On 5/13/2019 at 8:23 PM, antyep said:

Amy seems like Tinkerbell to me

And tails is John 

On 5/13/2019 at 8:18 PM, BaronGrackle said:

Oh. So he's like Peter Pan. That's cool.

. . .

I think I understand Sonic and Amy so much more, thinking in terms of Peter and Wendy.

Tails so much more, in terms of a Lost Boy following Pan.

Robotnik and Hook, with his fatalistic obsession and alter-ego father figure connection (Kintobar, Mr. Darling).

And Knuckles... well, I think that course was played out by the time Knuckles came. (shrug)

Ken is more moronic version of Peter griffin 

On 5/13/2019 at 7:29 PM, DabigRG said:

I think it sorta helps that Sonic himself is already rather cocky, rebellious, and adventurous.

Oh wow, that last sentence really is a pothole.

Ch'yeah. :lol:

Dammit Ken 

On 5/12/2019 at 7:34 PM, horridus said:

A lot can happen in one hour, let alone thirty-six. Yeah, it's been... well, nauseating, frankly. 

A lot of s hit the fan

On 5/12/2019 at 7:32 PM, Mr Silvia said:

I go off the internet for 36 hours and this happens? 

It hit the fan

ken is just losing people can we just please remove Ken and some of toxic fans off Twitter on the grounds of bullying and harassment please just doing something Ken needs to stop 

MOD EDIT: Don't give away people's names and locations. Jesus Fucking Christ.

Edited by Zaysho

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I gotta ask- if this guy is from Cat Country, shouldn't he look more animalistic than the other characters we've seen, even accounting for the style change? Also yikes, what is up with his eyes? Like, among all the other things wrong with his face, it looks like Ken just kinda gave up with the eyes there. 

At least the collar of his outfit no longer looks like a physical part of his neck. That's a plus, I suppose... 

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7 minutes ago, HywelAtTheMoon said:

Just looking at the SatAM Season 3 crowd funding thing on the main page here. How long do you think it will take before Penders sticks his 2 cents in? 

Given that it's a fan project, I sincerely doubt he'd have anything to say. His main concern is bitching about SEGA/IDW rather than anything fan-made. 

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11 hours ago, SBR2 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1131417726520397824

What else can I say except AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Seriously this cat man will haunt me forever. 

I... kind of feel bad for how much entertainment this topic gives me, considering I never knew Penders or read the comics.

For example, someone on that twitter link asks Ken when the app is going to be released. And we can read that and laugh. Because, even though that's generally a legitimate question to ask an author, we know that in this context it's probably a case of trolling. Because the question has no answer.

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2 hours ago, BaronGrackle said:

Because the question has no answer.

Its usually about 3-4 months after the date of the question like last time it was asked in september or october last year it got a december date.

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17 hours ago, SBR2 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1131417726520397824

What else can I say except AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Seriously this cat man will haunt me forever. 

Sleeperwalkerz, starring Samuel L Catson.

11 hours ago, KingScoopaKoopa said:

Is Cat Country really that mysterious anymore?

Considering they lacked technology and were untouched by Dr. Droid for years, I'd think perhaps.

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23 hours ago, antyep said:

Let alone his own project, really.

Well it will be on his radar soon enough if the first episode airs 

On 5/23/2019 at 7:24 AM, Adamis said:

Didn't it blow up with Mobius in his comic ?

He is infringing on rights again 

On 5/23/2019 at 12:43 AM, SBR2 said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1131417726520397824

What else can I say except AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Seriously this cat man will haunt me forever. 

It is Nightmare fuel 

On 5/23/2019 at 8:58 AM, HywelAtTheMoon said:

Just looking at the SatAM Season 3 crowd funding thing on the main page here. How long do you think it will take before Penders sticks his 2 cents in? 

It will be on his radar and he will target it soon enough or something 

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1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

How so?

I thought Sega didn't care for the term

It's still part of Sonic via the various spinoff media, and even got utilized for the Japanese translation of Sonic Spinball, to say nothing of it stemming from the US/European localizations of the Sonic games. While SEGA of Japan has never cared for the term and indeed it was phased out of wider franchise with the advent of Sonic Adventure (combined with Sonic Team's own indecisiveness about the nature of the setting leading to the eventual 'two worlds' nonsense), that doesn't change the fact that it was part of the Sonic franchise and a part of the Sonic the Hedgehog trademark and copyright. Given that Penders has been INCREDIBLY vocal about his own precious 'intellectual property', it's deeply hypocritical that he would earnestly use the term 'Mobius', to say nothing of the sleaziness of trying to maintain the connection to his old work through it and advertise his current project as a continuation of works on a franchise he doesn't own. 

 

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Yeah. At this point it's really more an issue of Penders being a hypocrite, given that he hasn't actually released this project and most likely won't. Even then, the odds of him actually making any real money off of this are slim to nonexistent- he's actively relying on the fact that he's way too small potatoes to be noticed by SEGA even as he tries to trade in on his connection to their franchise. 

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2 hours ago, horridus said:

Yeah. At this point it's really more an issue of Penders being a hypocrite, given that he hasn't actually released this project and most likely won't. Even then, the odds of him actually making any real money off of this are slim to nonexistent- he's actively relying on the fact that he's way too small potatoes to be noticed by SEGA even as he tries to trade in on his connection to their franchise. 

He is holier than thou as scourge would put it

plus the satam season 3 project will be on his radar soon enough and he will bitch about it as well and threaten legal action or something and lie about it 

2 hours ago, horridus said:

It's still part of Sonic via the various spinoff media, and even got utilized for the Japanese translation of Sonic Spinball, to say nothing of it stemming from the US/European localizations of the Sonic games. While SEGA of Japan has never cared for the term and indeed it was phased out of wider franchise with the advent of Sonic Adventure (combined with Sonic Team's own indecisiveness about the nature of the setting leading to the eventual 'two worlds' nonsense), that doesn't change the fact that it was part of the Sonic franchise and a part of the Sonic the Hedgehog trademark and copyright. Given that Penders has been INCREDIBLY vocal about his own precious 'intellectual property', it's deeply hypocritical that he would earnestly use the term 'Mobius', to say nothing of the sleaziness of trying to maintain the connection to his old work through it and advertise his current project as a continuation of works on a franchise he doesn't own. 

 

So that is yes on infringement?

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