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10 hours ago, horridus said:

Given that her entire design and character essentially boils down to "Rule 63 Nack"... 

Yeah, there's that and even more, there's the question of whether she needed to be a thing. Like, again, the idea of Nack having a sister he doesn't really get along with sounds kinda fun.

But looking back on it, specifically her introduction, I can't help but feel it would've been better if she had simply been Fiona or at least some random escort who would've really matter.

10 hours ago, horridus said:

Think about it- Sally had absolutely no clue that she ever had a brother, at all. His existence came as a complete surprise. This would mean that, somehow, EVERY last adult she knew while growing up at absolutely no point in her life took her aside and told her that she once had a brother. Her father never told her about her brother when she was young. Her mentor never told her about her brother. Her nanny didn't say anything. The doctor who was her family's physician didn't. Uncle Chuck said nothing. And then you get into the circumstances behind his supposed death- he and his mother were shot down during the Great War on route to Angel Island. The loss of a queen and the royal heir isn't something that would be kept quiet in the kingdom, and so we have to believe that, SOMEHOW, this never once came up in Sally's life and that this incredibly infamous incident was somehow forgotten or never spoken of within Knothole. 

Elias' entire EXISTENCE being a secret only works through sheer narrative contrivance and a mountain of violations of basic logic and sense, and ultimately only 'works' because of Penders' authorial feat rather than being able to stand up on it's own internal logic. 

Eh, its essentially a matter of "Remember the New Guy" regardless.

Where Sally is concerned, I can sort of understand not telling her about her older brother and the intended heir to the throne in-universe; plus, out of universe, it's way of sidestepping her specifically never mentioning him. The rest of the Kingdom servants however, I do concur as being weird--wait, did Uncle Chuck know?

Also, apparently Mr. Penders made him for the sole purpose of giving Mr. Bollers something else to play with where the Kingdom is involved for the main book. And we know Alicia was originally gonna be the antagonist of the Princess Sally Miniseries.So there's that.

11 hours ago, horridus said:

Likewise, Sonic's parents being alive as Robians the whole time, and evidently as FREE Robians shortly after Charles was liberated, also means we have to believe that in all that time, they never wanted to talk to Sonic, and Chuck was happy to go along with this prolonged deception. Nor are we ever given a real reason WHY they wanted this or why any of this proceeds- there is a vague notion of 'not wanting to distract Sonic' or some crap, but at the end of the day, we are basically told why Sonic's folks stayed away rather being shown why, and what we are told doesn't really hold water to begin with. 

All of this functions purely on the basis of drama rather than anything concrete. In short? Nonsense, all of it. 

On that note, I understand.

It also arguably crosses into the field of "We can't spend too much time on Sonic's parents because adventure and excitement!," but either way, it is sketchy.

10 hours ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

 

What if Lara Su ends up being a Rey expy?

Not sure how that could happen.

7 hours ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

This is especially funny considering the "parents just don't understand" dynamic he has with them later on. Which is pretty much all they exist for after returning to Knothole.

Really the whole thing of these characters living with their parents and sneaking out and going to school is some whole other lame-ass addition the never should have been introduced, although it's a byproduct of Pender's need to have family be a focal point in his stories.

I think Bollers was the head writer during that particular era. HIm and/or Romy Chacon, anyway.

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15 hours ago, SenEDDtor Missile said:

Oh. my. god.

What if Lara Su ends up being a Rey expy?

Then she'd be a generic female protagonist with obscure origins and a mysterious destiny.

There's not much to plagiarize.

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On 6/3/2019 at 7:38 PM, SBR2 said:

So writers serious question. How often is "Who fucked who" really that important to the story you're writing?

...I guess he is still upset after the storm he got with the whole Sally comment or when people point out his comments about asexuals came of as very bigoted. But not too surprising this is a man who thinks its  asexuality is a bad  because it doesn't produce offsprings (that's what he said not me)   so ofcourse he thinks character development is best way trough what's going on between the sheets..

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And in the category of 'updates that are not updates'...

 

Yeah, this is basically a slightly altered variation of the last shirt he released. And you know, it's not the fact that the designs are ugly that gets me. Nor is it the fact the layout is dull and the logo is tacky as hell. It's the fact that he STILL can't get it to blend in with the shirt. 

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Ken, in my experience of printing shirts, its easier not to work with black. Do white, much easier to blend. Another thing is never put too much text on a shirt, can look cluttered, unless its the main focus (like a shirt I have of wibbly wobbly timey wimey).

Also, why is Xero just photobombing the picture?

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7 hours ago, horridus said:

And in the category of 'updates that are not updates'...

 

Yeah, this is basically a slightly altered variation of the last shirt he released. And you know, it's not the fact that the designs are ugly that gets me. Nor is it the fact the layout is dull and the logo is tacky as hell. It's the fact that he STILL can't get it to blend in with the shirt. 

Lol, it looks like one of those adverts you'd see dumped at the bottom of webpages. Like, exactly that but just lifted onto a blank shirt.

Edit: Ah I'm sorry Rabid-Coot, I basically came to the same conclusion as you did. 😛

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1 minute ago, Ernest the Panda said:

Why does Lara-Su seem to be fading into the darkness a lot more than her mum and aunt?

I'm sure Ken would try and say because she is at a point in her life where she could fall to the darkness blah blah blah. When in reality, Lara Su is a bit player in her own book.

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9 hours ago, horridus said:

And in the category of 'updates that are not updates'...

 

Yeah, this is basically a slightly altered variation of the last shirt he released. And you know, it's not the fact that the designs are ugly that gets me. Nor is it the fact the layout is dull and the logo is tacky as hell. It's the fact that he STILL can't get it to blend in with the shirt. 

Oooh, we're doing Social Darwinism, are we?  Okaaaaay!

1 hour ago, Paul-Agnew said:

Eh. Their first album was better.

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:lol

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9 hours ago, horridus said:

And in the category of 'updates that are not updates'...

 

Yeah, this is basically a slightly altered variation of the last shirt he released. And you know, it's not the fact that the designs are ugly that gets me. Nor is it the fact the layout is dull and the logo is tacky as hell. It's the fact that he STILL can't get it to blend in with the shirt. 

Oh, My God Release the Goddamn Book! It has been 7 years! There should be some progress.

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5 hours ago, Paul-Agnew said:

Eh. Their first album was better.

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*eyerub* Of course. Ooof course it would be a flippin' reference to something else. 

You know, I was too busy 'marveling' at the shirt design to really take notice, but the actual comment of that tweet is... really robotic. 

"Currently getting pricing from reputable manufacturers of quality product". Like, seriously, who phrases things like this??

...Ken Penders, evidently. 

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Is there a reason the picture has to be in an ugly black box on top of an already black shirt? Like, if they're fading into the darkness anyway, why not just do that? You can still have the ugly white banner sitting above them right?

Is it because without that black box, the full effect of it looking like an album cover would be lost? If this were a comic cover would you put them in a black box on top of a black canvas for the cover to simulate the album then?

I know this sounds nitpicky but it's really off-putting because it makes it look unnecessarily more cheap than it already does by virtue of being LARA-SU CHRONICLES IN ALL-CAPS merchandise. 

I'm not even saying to not put characters in a box on your shirt but the box is already black. It bugs the fuck out of me. 

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47 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

Is there a reason the picture has to be in an ugly black box on top of an already black shirt? Like, if they're fading into the darkness anyway, why not just do that? You can still have the ugly white banner sitting above them right?

Is it because without that black box, the full effect of it looking like an album cover would be lost? If this were a comic cover would you put them in a black box on top of a black canvas for the cover to simulate the album then?

I know this sounds nitpicky but it's really off-putting because it makes it look unnecessarily more cheap than it already does by virtue of being LARA-SU CHRONICLES IN ALL-CAPS merchandise. 

I'm not even saying to not put characters in a box on your shirt but the box is already black. It bugs the fuck out of me. 

This is something that regularly happens when people print shirts. They think "I have a black background, it'll naturally blend in with a black t-shirt". He's whipped up the design and put it on a shirt without thinking that they may be 2 completely different shades of black. It just shows Ken is an amateur at it, I'd even say he's an amateur at colour.

EDIT: Just looked at his replies, he is aware of it and is going to make it blend. I don't trust him but its a plus point. Though he then makes a joke that he can take critiscism so is instantly taken off him.

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5 minutes ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

This is something that regularly happens when people print shirts. They think "I have a black background, it'll naturally blend in with a black t-shirt". He's whipped up the design and put it on a shirt without thinking that they may be 2 completely different shades of black. It just shows Ken is an amateur at it, I'd even say he's an amateur at colour.

EDIT: Just looked at his replies, he is aware of it and is going to make it blend. I don't trust him but its a plus point. Though he then makes a joke that he can take critiscism so is instantly taken off him.

He's a writer, not a designer. 

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1 hour ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

This is something that regularly happens when people print shirts. They think "I have a black background, it'll naturally blend in with a black t-shirt". He's whipped up the design and put it on a shirt without thinking that they may be 2 completely different shades of black. It just shows Ken is an amateur at it, I'd even say he's an amateur at colour.

You're probably right. That said, I can totally see him doing it on purpose because he thought it looked better this way.

I can't put that past anyone who draws characters who look like this and thinks they look good.

I'm in the middle of reviewing some of his early work for Archie and despite his art not being all that great there, it's amazing how much its turned to utter slop. He doesn't even realize it. He's putting it on a shirt! 

I could put my Sonic art on a shirt and it'd probably sell better actually. 

1 hour ago, DabigRG said:

He's a writer, not a designer. 

He's a writer who doesn't write anything and is busy only designing stuff. 

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6 hours ago, DabigRG said:

He's a writer, not a designer. 

He's also an artist, has been drawing comic books for years in the past, and even did some storyboarding for an animation show at one point. He's planning to draw The Lara-Su comic all by himself.

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10 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

He's a writer who doesn't write anything and is busy only designing stuff. 

And look where that's gotten us.

4 hours ago, Kellodrawsalot said:

He's also an artist, has been drawing comic books for years in the past, and even did some storyboarding for an animation show at one point. He's planning to draw The Lara-Su comic all by himself.

Oh really, he's done that much?

Huh.

1 hour ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

If he wants to colour in his books, he needs to learn there is more than one colour shade. He's insulted inkers for years yet he has to be told that two colours aren't the same?

I mean, inkers don't color the pages, just solidifies the outlines of the pencil.

 

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Christ, I wonder what sort of reaction these might get in a goodwill. Not even trying to be mean here, let's say Ken's merchandise sells decently, sooner or later, some of these shirts are going to end up being resold and/or donated. Imagine that in 10-15 years, random people, who have never heard about of any of this, are going to be seeing these shirts and other TLSC merch, I wonder what they will think... (Probably that it's sketchy AF or ugly or whatever, but still...)

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