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"I'm someone who is always looking for something new to shoot for."(He said that at the end of the second interview video.)
Maybe it's just me but he seems to be clinging to Sonic now more than ever, and no doubt because the movie is doing pretty well.

The Sonic Archives could have continued to preserve his work, if he thought he and other former writers deserved some compensation, I don't think many would complain, but it wasn't about creators rights. No, it was about getting back at Archie, it was about easy money, it was about trying to strong arm SEGA into not only making a Knuckles movie but let him use the character in his for profit fanfic in exchange for hundreds of rip offs.

But really, seeing him trash Ian who had to not only heavily alter an arc in progress because he could no longer use most of the characters planned with the exception of five characters and Metal Knuckles and who had to abandon at least 50 something scripts (probably more if one counts Sonic Universe). And had SEGA becoming more stricter and issuing more mandates which only got worse with the reboot. Penders quitting because he was asked to include a few more game characters becomes a complete joke in comparison. It's only more tragic knowing Ian actually did care for the comic and had to write out not just fan favorites but no doubt some of his own favorites.

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You know what the saddest thing about this is? I would totally buy a big collection of Archie Sonic comics if I could. Like I'd love for IDW to work something out to reprint the series in a similar style to like the IDW collections that reprint everything in chronological reading order. But I want to stress IDW. I don't want to pay Penders for reprints that despite him saying so there's no way he can legally sell.

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I've seen a lot of opinions on this here, all of which I agree with, but the thing I personally want to express the most is that he should do it.

He should do it because it will be really, really funny if he does.

We have a lot of fun here at the actual LARA-SU CHRONICLES IN ALL CAPS, the thread on the Sonic Stadium where we chronicle the weirdness of Ken Penders, but this series will truly reach its apex when the story arc of Penders trying to release a bunch of shit he doesn't have the rights to "because he has lawyers" comes to fruition.

It'll be his Chimera Ant arc. His Marineford arc. His Freeza arc. The crown jewel of this weird as hell comedy.

I'm almost ready to get on my hands and knees to beg this man to do it. I don't ask a lot of you because you're a bit of a twit but I want you to set aside the fact that you say you're going to do stuff and then never do it for once and do this.

Please do it. For me. I couldn't fathom watching something more entertaining play out. Isn't that what you want Ken? To entertain us? 

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29 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

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>Ian was always stirring the pot

>Penders - the person who constantly shits on Ian, is the one claiming Ian constantly stirred the pot and threw him to the wolves.

>Penders - the man who quite literally threw Hurst to the wolves, backstabbing him to get his "dream project".

 

How exactly? By doing so well Archie didn't need grovel on their knees for him to return?

He might as well just come out and admit that he's jealous of Ian's success. We all know he is. He's not fooling anyone, and he certainly isn't doing himself any favors by being a passive aggressive child.

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When one of Penders fanboys is pointing out that this seems legally questionable you know it's bad.

Maybe it'll help them wake up to what they've been following.

As for "throwing Ken to the wolves in order to protect his dream job," I think he means that Ian didn't testify against Archie or join his side of the lawsuit.

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Just now, Razule said:

I don't recall him being this outright vitriolic about Ian before. He really is bitter.

In the past he has accused Flynn of stealing from him. There was that. And then there was the time he called Flynn's popularity a bandwagon. This though is pretty much the most blatant he's been. There's really no other way to see this other than him sincerely hating the guy. 

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Penders obviously has some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to Flynn.  From calling his popularity a bandwagon to accusing him of feeding him to the wolves, the man has an axe to grind with Flynn.  And I wonder why.  Flynn didn't do anything but take his place after he CHOSE to leave.

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3 minutes ago, goldenchimchar said:

Penders obviously has some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to Flynn.  From calling his popularity a bandwagon to accusing him of feeding him to the wolves, the man has an axe to grind with Flynn.  And I wonder why.  Flynn didn't do anything but take his place after he CHOSE to leave.

As Horridus said, Penders felt that Ian as a former fan of his should have quit in protest when he walked out, so Archie would come crawling back to him. But because Ian didn't Penders see's it as an act of betrayal which is why he hates him.

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Just now, Zonic 2099 said:

As Horridus said, Penders felt that Ian as a former fan of his should have quit in protest when he walked out, so Archie would come crawling back to him. But because Ian didn't Penders see's it as an act of betrayal which is why he hates him.

Why would Penders think Ian betrayed him?  Ian never owed Penders anything.  Why would Ian give up his job for a man that would throw him to the wolves if given the chance?

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50 minutes ago, goldenchimchar said:

Why would Penders think Ian betrayed him?  Ian never owed Penders anything.  Why would Ian give up his job for a man that would throw him to the wolves if given the chance?

We're talking about the same guy who accused Karl Bollers, his co-worker, of actively trying to undermine him because he said that 25YL was just one of many futures rather than 'the' future. Likewise, he has this incredibly weird idea that Flynn not following the 'plans he left behind' was somehow a breach of 'common courtesy' despite that not being how it works in comics, like at all. This guy does not operate under any kind of normal logic, at all. 

I would also like to take this chance to point out that I did not suggest that Penders felt Flynn should be loyal to him due to being a fan- I was merely bemoaning the fact that Penders treats the man with such open vitriol when Flynn was, once upon a time his fan. Likewise, it was @Ryannumber1gamer who made the comparison between Penders behavior and that of John K, offering it up as a HYPOTHETICAL reason for how Penders can have this view, given that he shares the same kind of diseased, deluded form of egomania that has come to define John K. 

Edit: Ah, speak of the devil.

 

Guess that confirms his working logic is that Flynn basically going "That is how Archie operates, as far as I am aware" with regards to the contracts as being a deliberate act of malice. Good grief. 

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1 hour ago, horridus said:

We're talking about the same guy who accused Karl Bollers, his co-worker, of actively trying to undermine him because he said that 25YL was just one of many futures rather than 'the' future. Likewise, he has this incredibly weird idea that Flynn not following the 'plans he left behind' was somehow a breach of 'common courtesy' despite that not being how it works in comics, like at all. This guy does not operate under any kind of normal logic, at all. 

I guess I was expecting too much from him.

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10 hours ago, Zonic 2099 said:

Penders quitting because he was asked to include a few more game characters becomes a complete joke in comparison.

Is that why he quit?! I thought he wanted to do some wild shit and people kept reasonably telling him no. If that's actually the reason that's funny and sad.

2 hours ago, Zonic 2099 said:

As Horridus said, Penders felt that Ian as a former fan of his should have quit in protest when he walked out, so Archie would come crawling back to him. But because Ian didn't Penders see's it as an act of betrayal which is why he hates him.

That's also sad

Also learned new shit about john k

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4 hours ago, horridus said:

You know, it gets all the worse when you remember that Flynn was a fan of Penders. He once looked up to the guy. He was a regular on his forums. And for the crime of succeeding him and replacing him, even after that stupid lawsuit, THIS is what he gets. Along with a bevy of other things. 

I really should be furious and ranting and all that but truthfully? This whole thing is just so astoundingly pathetic that all I can feel is pity. This guy is so twisted up by the fact he isn't seen as the 'good guy' in all of this that now he is honestly deciding to make his successor out to be the bad guy specifically. 

 

You kinda got to love it though. Ian is working with a big name in comics like Frank Tieri on Archie's revival of Super Duck and Ken is trying to reprint material that isn't his. It's funny to see just how far apart they really are. 

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20 minutes ago, SBR2 said:

You kinda got to love it though. Ian is working with a big name in comics like Frank Tieri on Archie's revival of Super Duck and Ken is trying to reprint material that isn't his. It's funny to see just how far apart they really are. 

The only person who thinks there's a comparison between Ian and Penders is Ken Penders himself.

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Yeah, uh, this is getting kind of concerning, to say the least.

He's sure he has a clue what he's talking about?  Really sure?  Alright, then, let's take a look at the old statement Ian made 10 years ago that apparently sparked all of this:

https://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2830

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Everyone on staff (and I include us freelancers when I say this) has to sign that contract. So unless Mr. Penders's contract was wildly different, he signed away those characters before he even created them.

And let's look again at the tweet Ken made to start this all off:

It doesn't take a whole lot to realize that Ian gave a really clear qualifier that Ken's contract (or even lack thereof) could have been very, very different from his own.  Heck, Ian even noted at the start that "[all] I'm going off of is my limited understanding of the ownership of things within the book and franchise."  Somehow I get the feeling Ken didn't re-read that post before talking about it, and just went off nearly 10-year-old memories of it.

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