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I'd like to make an addition to my previous post - even though a lot of it was littered in sarcasm and an accumulation of annoyance at Penders constantly shit-talking other creators - I do want to make it point out that I'm not saying the Slap wasn't bad - it was and it remains one of the worst moments in the whole series.

What I'm against is two things - the notion that it was the biggest problem, and one Penders was "fixing" - considering Penders was behind quite a lot of the soap drama bullshit that came after the fact. And the notion of trying to insanely blame Jon Grey for the Slap, as if the ridiculous notion is that he somehow manipulated it all to break up this couple, as utterly idiotic as it is. The very notion that it wasn't simply a mandate by an editor to input drama to the comic, and instead some specific vendetta Jon had and wanted to do is ridiculous. The utter disgust I feel for Penders trying to slap Jon with the crime of "worst thing in the comic", something Jon himself regrets - and something he was likely forced to do to retain his first major position, and make sure he can get more gigs in the future - that's what Penders is trying to do.

For someone who claims to be such a big supporter of Creator's Rights, he seems to have no problem blaming others and throwing them under the bus without context, and without consideration, making utterly preposterous tales with idiotic twists to somehow make someone into a mustache twirling villain making things bad for Penders. No - it couldn't possibly be that Jon had to do this as part of his job - he just secretly hated Penders and wanted to dick with him and Bollars. That's the logical conclusion to come to here.

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1 hour ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I'd like to make an addition to my previous post - even though a lot of it was littered in sarcasm and an accumulation of annoyance at Penders constantly shit-talking other creators - I do want to make it point out that I'm not saying the Slap wasn't bad - it was and it remains one of the worst moments in the whole series.

What I'm against is two things - the notion that it was the biggest problem, and one Penders was "fixing" - considering Penders was behind quite a lot of the soap drama bullshit that came after the fact. And the notion of trying to insanely blame Jon Grey for the Slap, as if the ridiculous notion is that he somehow manipulated it all to break up this couple, as utterly idiotic as it is. The very notion that it wasn't simply a mandate by an editor to input drama to the comic, and instead some specific vendetta Jon had and wanted to do is ridiculous. The utter disgust I feel for Penders trying to slap Jon with the crime of "worst thing in the comic", something Jon himself regrets - and something he was likely forced to do to retain his first major position, and make sure he can get more gigs in the future - that's what Penders is trying to do.

For someone who claims to be such a big supporter of Creator's Rights, he seems to have no problem blaming others and throwing them under the bus without context, and without consideration, making utterly preposterous tales with idiotic twists to somehow make someone into a mustache twirling villain making things bad for Penders. No - it couldn't possibly be that Jon had to do this as part of his job - he just secretly hated Penders and wanted to dick with him and Bollars. That's the logical conclusion to come to here.

Yeah, Penders is pretty blatantly dodging the PRECISE things he left behind for Flynn to clean up upon leaving. Like, to this day it just baffles me that the things he did in the name of 're-constructing' Sonic and Sally's relationship he felt were things that would help towards that end, given that what he did with those two was the equivalent of trying to put out a fire using a tank of gasoline. He turned Sonic into the creep who blatantly used Fiona as a rebound girl (while badly damaging his friendship with Tails) and crystalized Sally into being a weeping submissive unwilling to stand up to her father. And that's without getting to all the other stuff he did that was completely unrelated to his own 'cleanup' efforts. 

And you know, the sad thing is? Nobody will ever, ever be able to get it through his thick skull that this is in fact part and parcel of Flynn's cleaning up the mess. We've already seen what happens when someone, with the utmost politeness and tact, tries to reason with him and point out the flaws in his logic or confronts him with something he finds unpalatable. Which is to be expected- personal accountability or even admitting to being wrong is something that is far, far too much for the delicate constitution of herr Penders. 

And honestly, the further you go down that particular discussion the more warped it gets. He is essentially painting the Slap as the result of a conspiracy between Jon Grey, a new artist, and Mike Pellerito, an assistant editor. He is honestly suggesting that this is something that happened, against the wills of the Writer (Karl Bollers) and the actual editor, Justin Gabrie, and that this truly incredible act of insubordination did not somehow result in someone getting fired. And THEN goes onto allude that SOMEHOW, FLynn is 'covering for Jon' and Jon likewise doing the same for Flynn, over an issue that debuted long before Flynn came on board. He also mentions 'classified' files that are evidently too classified to use, yet not so classified he can't bring them up to imply something. 

Like... he had nothing to do with the Slap, and yet he out of sheer spite and pettiness he's spreading this idiotic rumor started by his idiot fanboys (and those adjacent to them). To call him squalid is being TOO nice. 

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This response caught my eye yesterday.

That's still no excuse to do the same to Jon.
I'm not gonna deny that he's only right WHEN he's being accused of something he had no hand in, but given Ken's behavior and tendencies he's far from being a trustworthy source. If he can't prove how Jon on his first issue as a mere artist managed to usurp the writer of the issue and the editor of the comic with the slap and keep his job, yeah you got a lot of explaining to do, never mind all the reasons you've given us to question your word.
 

 

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36 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I really can't tell if this was meant to be a joke, or actually serious.

The eternal conundrum when it comes to this guy. Frankly after the shitstorm that was The Geoffrey Revelation, one would think he'd steer away from anything that even VAGUELY brings up the specter of that. 

But of course this is Penders, with all the lack of common sense that goes with that fact. 

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On another note - back to the topic of the slap and Jon Gray: 

So the evidence to prove his point is scattered to the wind apparently as well.

So I guess somehow Penders' classified smoking gun is something that proves a context of Ian wanting to screw with Penders I guess?

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Has anyone here ever read the only issue of that image comics ken wrote the lost ones and the characters were in that sonic super special image comics crossover

 

i want to know if the lost ones comic is worth any effort to try and track it down

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29 minutes ago, Leebo4 said:

Has anyone here ever read the only issue of that image comics ken wrote the lost ones and the characters were in that sonic super special image comics crossover

i want to know if the lost ones comic is worth any effort to try and track it down

Oh, of course! It’s Kenders “best-seller” after all. All one issues of it.

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2 hours ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

Originally posted by @Dr. Detective Mike - but last week's Bumblekast had Aleah Baker giving a damn good teardown of Penders era Archie and his writing. Mike posted full timestamps, but the whole thing kicks off at 52:29.

Ooh can't wait to see the tweet storm.

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1 minute ago, Big Panda said:

I’m surprised Aleah wasn’t afraid to just let rip on Penders, when her husband usually stays hush on the matter.

I mean, personally I always thought it was a case of Ian just didn't want to bother humouring Penders and playing into his insane "Ian hates me!!! >:'(" narrative. 

Aleah clearly didn't have a concern about that, lol.

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16 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I mean, personally I always thought it was a case of Ian just didn't want to bother humouring Penders and playing into his insane "Ian hates me!!! >:'(" narrative. 

Aleah clearly didn't have a concern about that, lol.

Aleah Baker doesn't work for IDW/SEGA. That gives her a good deal of leeway. Plus, the question wasn't about Penders as a PERSON- just his WRITING. That makes all the difference.

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1 minute ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

So...is Penders' cycle essentially just to play the blame game to make himself look good instead of just releasing his damn work so people can properly judge how he is in the now?

Yes.

And also passive-aggressively shouting at people who point his hypocrisy and idiocy out on Twitter. I'm legitimately shocked there's people who still try to twist events to be in Penders' favour.

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Just now, Ryannumber1gamer said:

I'm legitimately shocked there's people who still try to twist events to be in Penders' favour.

I honestly think they're just trying to keep the man mentally and ego-driven, afloat just so that he has enough confidence to release Lara-Su Chronicles and then it can be the laughing stock we all know it's gonna be.

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25 minutes ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

I honestly think they're just trying to keep the man mentally and ego-driven, afloat just so that he has enough confidence to release Lara-Su Chronicles and then it can be the laughing stock we all know it's gonna be.

Those poor souls. Clearly, it's not coming out in this decade...or timeline.

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59 minutes ago, Nina Cortex Jovahexeon said:

So...is Penders' cycle essentially just to play the blame game to make himself look good instead of just releasing his damn work so people can properly judge how he is in the now?

Less a cycle than a state of being, I think. Cycles tend to change before returning to form.

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