Megathread The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096

[HywelAtTheMoon]

Pretty sure 16 is still a minor's age, even in the US. Actually, let's not warn him, and let him find this out the hard way.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

8 minutes ago, HywelAtTheMoon said:

Pretty sure 16 is still a minor's age, even in the US. Actually, let's not warn him, and let him find this out the hard way.

He already knows, he just doesn't give a shit (and tried to make up more bullshit about IDW that he in fact knows absolutely nothing about and is talking out of his ass about), and has tried to make yet another pathetic excuse for his disgusting nonsense:

 

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

43 minutes ago, AlienBunny said:

So... that's some very questionable coloring on Selma considering she's 16... And Penders. She might not be underage in her society, but she is in our society. That's very creepy sir. Like really creepy. There's no need for that considering she's an alien covered in scales. Just make her underside one color.

Maybe I'm looking a little too much into this, but why does Lara's tail appear to wrapping around the naked 16-year-old rather seductively?

10 minutes ago, HywelAtTheMoon said:

Pretty sure 16 is still a minor's age, even in the US.

ESPECIALLY here in the US.

[The Tenth Doctor]

2 minutes ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

He already knows, he just doesn't give a shit (and tried to make up more bullshit about IDW that he in fact knows absolutely nothing about and is talking out of his ass about):

 

Bit confused by his logic. "My characters are aimed at adults, unlike Sonic. I treat my audience well if your smart. Inflation exists. Enjoy watching teenagers streak".

The tails wrapping round each others bodies is creepy....

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

See it full image style, I really am put off by the tails wrapping thing. Along with Ken's usual bad artstyle, it doesn't seem playful at all, or a spanning of their characters. Just seems like the precursor to some awkward porn. Ugh.

5 minutes ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

Bit confused by his logic. "My characters are aimed at adults, unlike Sonic. I treat my audience well if your smart. Inflation exists. Enjoy watching teenagers streak".

The tails wrapping round each others bodies is creepy....

On that note, what's wrong with just making them legal age? If you really want to go sexual, at least don't go out of your way to squick anyone with common sense.

[Razule]

Ugh... he's said stuff like this before, so this isn't surprising. His logic is just so warped, man.

1. Whatever the laws of her society are, the book exists in the real world, I assume to be read by real people. Real people who will think that lowering the age of consent in his fictional world is a gross thing to do. 

2. If this is aimed at adults, why was it necessary for Lara-Su and her friends to be 16? If this is supposed to be a coming of age story, couldn't making her college age have worked just as well?

3. The audience of Sonic the Hedgehog is waaay broader than anything he thinks Lara-Su will reach.

[Shaddy Zaphod]

Okay, now this is a place you can start if you want to say Ken's being weird about underage girls.

[Razule]

7 minutes ago, Shaddy Zaphod said:

Okay, now this is a place you can start if you want to say Ken's being weird about underage girls.

Nah, I think this goes further back.

[Shaddy Zaphod]

Yes, that's why I said this before:

On 1/19/2022 at 2:35 AM, Shaddy Zaphod said:

I dunno, seems like there are easier places to start if you want to say Ken's being weird about underage girls.

It was a joke.

[Edward850]

He could have at least gone for the easy argument of "Sally wasn't clothed in SatAM and this is mimicking that style", and yet he doesn't and decided to go full drift into a rather complex argument about justifying the standards, which makes it abundantly clear what his true intentions are. This isn't far removed from the "12 year old who is actually a 1000 year old demon" argument. This is just all kinds of creepy.

[MetalSkulkBane]

To play devil's advocate, how she's any different than Princess Ruto from Zelda?

Other than being fugly as hell, I mean.

[Edward850]

It's a good argument, the problem is that's not the one he made, as he directly argues that playing it for sexuality is a non-issue. Meanwhile Nintendo would have just said "it's a fish person, clothes make no sense" and sexuality wouldn't have even come into it, though the catch there is even Nintendo reconsidered Ruto's design in later appearances, changing from her initial barbie doll anatomy figure that likely only worked as it did on the N64 hardware (the usual case of less detail requiring a more streamlined design). Standards change, though it's clear Penders lives unrelentingly in the past.

[Zonic 2099]

I love how Salma's genuine smile at Lara is returned with a pained grin.

[SkullPirateMike]

14 hours ago, Ryannumber1gamer said:

 

This is really funny to me, because he says that comic shops have told him a lot of people buying Sonic comics now are adults, which means kids aren't reading them apparently, but then goes on to say that parents used to buy Archie Sonic for their kids.. and it doesn't occur to him that some of the adults buying IDW are doing it for their kids?

Just more examples of classic Penders doublethink, I guess. Everything works in the way that most benefits his point in the moment, even if it contradicts an earlier point he made.

[King Scoopa Koopa]

I'd think more kids would be getting it on ComiXology and reading it on the phones, tablets, and the like, too.

Guess this means when (just work with me here) his digital thing comes out, we can tell him how bad it must be doing because none of our local comic shops are carrying it (assuming they'll have even heard of it).

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

22 hours ago, Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon said:

See it full image style, I really am put off by the tails wrapping thing. Along with Ken's usual bad artstyle, it doesn't seem playful at all, or a spanning of their characters. Just seems like the precursor to some awkward porn. Ugh

Aside from the whole underage thing (not touching that with a 10-foot-pole), I really hate to admit it, but Salma actually looks passable. Like, whatever alien setting thing Penders was talking about setting up, she looks like she would fit it—in fact, were it not for him trying to ape off the whole thing he had with Archie, he’d actually progress somewhere more with this.

Not gonna lie, if I didn’t hate what the man did, I’d be more interested in Salma than Lara-Su. Hell, he’d actually be better off dropping Lara-Su entirely and focusing on Salma.

Unfortunately, it really makes Lara-Su look ugly as fuck tho…if anything, this needs to be Ken’s learning lesson to redesign her into a less Sonic-y looking character. It’s really not working out for him.

Now, if you guys will excuse me, I need to wash my mouth out.

[dwitefry666]

On 1/24/2022 at 9:13 AM, MetalSkulkBane said:

To play devil's advocate, how she's any different than Princess Ruto from Zelda?

Other than being fugly as hell, I mean.

Devil's advocte to Devil's advocate and being as delicate as a man from Essex can be: the difference could/would be argued that Salma's scale design mimics a nude body very closely - it's basically a nude woman's body rendered in pointilism - and the outline of her shape in fact includes the shape of nipples. Ruto does not do either fo these things, even more so since her redesign. 

Now what i actually wanted to post about: a small rant of frustration about Pender's arguement, cos some things just irritate me enough to do that. Toni up there at no point mentions the age of the buyer, so Ken's whole argument is completley irrellevant. Toni's point was that it doesn't matter what the actual age of consent in a country was, people in that country are likely to be turned off by a highly sexualised 16-year-old. Ken's point was that kids don't by the official Sonic comic book so he's right to aim his book at a broader audience to grow the audience again (even though he then says it's not sutiable for a broad audience because it's not for the 'easily offended' which in this context means anyone uncomfortable with naked 16 year olds). It's two seperate things and it bugged me and I needed to get it out. 

[horridus]

6 hours ago, dwitefry666 said:

Now what i actually wanted to post about: a small rant of frustration about Pender's arguement, cos some things just irritate me enough to do that. Toni up there at no point mentions the age of the buyer, so Ken's whole argument is completley irrellevant. Toni's point was that it doesn't matter what the actual age of consent in a country was, people in that country are likely to be turned off by a highly sexualised 16-year-old. Ken's point was that kids don't by the official Sonic comic book so he's right to aim his book at a broader audience to grow the audience again (even though he then says it's not sutiable for a broad audience because it's not for the 'easily offended' which in this context means anyone uncomfortable with naked 16 year olds). It's two seperate things and it bugged me and I needed to get it out. 

Yeah, I suggest you get used to it- that one is Ken Penders' primary MO when it comes to (not) dealing with criticism. He always does this- he'll ignore what's actually being said and then instead focus on a barely related tangent of his own making while treating it as if the critic had said it to begin with. Put bluntly? Ken absolutely will not address criticism of anything he does in good faith, at all. If a discussion goes a way he doesn't like he'll either force it in a direction he wants and stick to it, no matter how utterly insane and idiotic it makes him look. He really would rather look like a fool than acknowledge or accept any kind of criticism directed towards his work. 

As for his proclamation about this work not being for the 'easily offended'... once upon a time, Penders claimed this work was aimed at young, teenage girls. Then it was for 'everyone', and now he's pretty much tossed away that pretense in the name of pretending to be a Big Boy writer doing Big Boy things. It's why he pulls crap like this- he's under the mistaken impression that including 'mature' things alone is enough to make a work mature, all while lacking any kind of talent or skill to actually handle any kind of mature subject. For a man who obsesses over being taken seriously as a writer, he is one of the most profoundly CHILDISH people you could ever see, and this bleeds into all aspects of his work. 

Not that it matters, in the end. Ten years have passed and he hasn't released anything of substance, and so far the only thing he might potentially release is still just a prequel and not the main story he's been hyping and failing to deliver for  years now. 

[King Scoopa Koopa]

42 minutes ago, horridus said:

Not that it matters, in the end. Ten years have passed and he hasn't released anything of substance, and so far the only thing he might potentially release is still just a prequel and not the main story he's been hyping and failing to deliver for  years now. 

The same prequel that's partially a reprint of Archie material, right?

[CertifiedNobody]

 

lol

[King Scoopa Koopa]

That's more clever than I want to give him credit for, making the part no one cares about the part that's freely transmissible.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Oh, now he's using the Scourge name...

[The Tenth Doctor]

So here it comes. He's about to make money potentially on Scourge, Shade (in his mind), Knuckles and Robotnik. Sega's lawyers should get primed.

[Zaysho]

What's making this funnier than three of these characters being literal recolors of Sonic characters (one of them being the actual Sega character, at that) is that I expect he's using artwork by Spaz and/or Yardley. Creators' rights, what're those.

[Rabid-Coot]

If idiots are handing out free money might as well try to grift half a million and retire comfortably.

It'll be funny if he manages to sell these and then gets scammed out of the crypto before he can cash out.