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Greetings ladies and gentlemen!

 

I am back once again for another topic!

 

This topic will focus on Roger van der Weide's video series, Sonic Dissected. It's a series of videos on discussing stories and characters about the Sonic series and analyze them.

 

Since they are quite a lot of videos so I'm going to post a video every week or so.

 

So without further ado, let's get started!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y7ltXKg-hc

 

So for this week's video, Roger and his co-host, Luke, talk about how too many characters is the wrong complaint to Sonic becoming too overpowered and then to exposition in the Sonic stories.

 

I do agree that too many characters are the wrong complaint since it just comes off as shallow and not really understanding the problem and I also agree on how giving each character flaws balances each other out like Sonic being the fastest but not very strong, Tails being the smartest but not entirely brave, Knuckles being very strong but isn't very bright and Amy being the "heart" of the group but isn't very fast and etc. 

 

Which then flows to how Sonic Team now writes Sonic as a guy that can handle any problem no sweat, well before Lost World atleast. This is when Roger starts praising the Adventures for doing it right, which to an extent I agree on. Like Sonic, having a sense of justice, doesn't go fight GUN or he'll be screwed over or gets gassed with knockout gas or whatever. But I don't these as flaws technically since it makes Sonic a more relatable character and gives each character their own time to shine but that's just me. Then he talks about the modern games and how "poor" they are. Like Roger emphasize the cockiness Sonic has in the modern games but I don't see this as a problem since Sonic has handled many situations before so he's pretty confident he handle other situations. But there are moments that I dislike this aspect like in Heroes, Team Sonic sees Shadow after he was assumed to have "died". If I were to have seen someone who has died before now in front of me, I would be surprised first and the be confused on what happened to that person. But Sonic's reaction is like he didn't realized that Shadow "died" and decides to fight him. Then again Heroes had a poor way of giving justifications on the Team Battles so that's an entirely different issue.

 

Then I have another problem with Roger's statement, he then states that Secret Rings' story doesn't have as much subtleness as the Adventures. I think that Roger is overly simplifying Secret Rings' story without realizing the darker elements that the story had just to praise the Adventures more but that's just me. Then he says that Sonic not having any emotional moments with the main cast in the modern games as a problem. I don't really follow this since in most of these cases, he can only interact with the new characters like in the Storybook series. In Unleashed, it's justifiable since Sonic has a limited time hanging out with Chip and can hang around with Tails for a much longer time.

 

Then Roger and Luke discuss about how OP the writers made Sonic to be and I agree this is a problem since making Sonic so powerful can cause problems balancing the main cast. Like how in the world does Sonic be able to master board riding in a matter of seconds already competing with racers who had years of experience or as much as I like Black Knight's story, him having equal skill in sword fighting as the Knights of the Round Table it seems rather far fetched if anything. 

 

And then Roger focuses on Black Knight for a moment about how poor the story introduces King Arthur. Granted I can see that Black Knight's intro was rather poor since Sonic was able to defeat the minions with ease so if Merlina didn't interfere, there's a good chance that Sonic would've beaten him right there but that's just me and Arthur was also a bit foolish by not interfering with the escape of Sonic and Merlina.

 

And Roger goes into Colors, he hates Colors btw, and how pointless Tails' purpose was in that game, stating that Sonic would have handled the situation just fine without him, which is somewhat true.

 

Then the final topic they talk about is the exposition used in the game's story. Luke states that you have to follow one rule to make sure that the plot can atleast be tolerable, which is don't waste the audience's time. He used Tails' story from Adventure to give an example of a good story, giving Tails character development from a scared boy to a hero of the city. Luke then complains about Colors giving plot points and it solves itself quickly, whether it's about Eggman truly having an evil plot or Tails being mind controlled for a moment. 

 

Roger then compares Colors' Mind Control Cannon with Adventure 2's Eclipse Cannon. Stating that the latter had proper buildup while the former had little to no buildup whatsoever. 

 

Luke then complains about Colors being very repetitive about Colors' points about Eggman using the Wisps to take over the planet through brainwash and how it annoys him so much that even a scene that he genuinely liked, he couldn't care less about it due to the game's repetitiveness of the plot points. Roger states this is overexposition since it has less emotional value every time it's been mentioned.

 

But I want to give Pontac and Graff some lack since they had no control of the plot of Colors and Generations and had to resort to dialogue which they tried their best to make it work but flopped in their faces.   

 

So those are my thoughts on the video, what do you guys think? Do you agree with what they said? Or do you disagree? Please discuss!

 

 

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"Sonic Chronicles has good writing" -

 

"Tails wasn't useful at all in Colours" - Bullshit. If Tails hadn't selflessly took the bullet for Sonic, the story would've, in all likelihood, have taken a disastrously different turn

 

Granted I know that some of the opinions Roger and Luke state are completely biased and such but Chronicles did have a solid plot, in my opinion anyway, but it did have problems with characterizations.

 

But the mind control was limited so who cares if Sonic got mind controlled, Eggman would only have a few seconds of control over him and Sonic will be back to normal. Then again chalk one up for poor writing. Make the cannon limitless then it's a problem for sure but it's not.

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I agree that Tails' presence in Colors was unnecessary (Sonic would have shut down the generators and save the Wisps anyway. After all, it's what he does), but I really can't imagine Colors without Tails.

He keeps company to Sonic, he reacts to his jokes (which otherwise would have fallen ever more flat), he translates Yacker's noises and befriends him (which is related to the song Speak With Your Heart)... and most importantly, he and Sonic finally spend some times together (something fans were complaining about previous games)

 

Since they are quite a lot of videos so I'm going to post a video every week or so.

 

Why not every day? rolleyes.gif

 

Wow, Vertekins completely killed Roger with her post! I can't wait to read what does she think about the other videos happy.png

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I agree that Tails' presence in Colors was unnecessary (Sonic would have shut down the generators and save the Wisps anyway. After all, it's what he does), but I really can't imagine Colors without Tails.

He keeps company to Sonic, he reacts to his jokes (which otherwise would have fallen ever more flat), he translates Yacker's noises and befriends him (which is related to the song Speak With Your Heart)... and most importantly, he and Sonic finally spend some times together (something fans were complaining about previous games)

 

 

Why not every day? rolleyes.gif

 

Wow, Vertekins completely killed Roger with her post! I can't wait to read what does she think about the other videos happy.png

 

I know that Tails being there makes the plot alright at best but he still wasn't needed regardless but I digress.

 

Because my dear FearTear, I have a life outside of SSMB and it's quite hectic for me to post a video everyday with my other problems I'm going through so yeah, I'll just post them at the times where I have flexibility. 

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I'm not seeing where this negativity is coming from, especially with the idea that they're nitpicking. They're really giving the most general overview of the games and never talk specifically about small parts of the game, it's usually to serve the overall critique about the game.

 

e.g

"Tails being useless in Colors"

Yeah, he gets hit with a laser beam, but it never actually impacts the plot and may as well have never happened. All the important developments in the story; finding the generators, saving the aliens, stopping Eggman, all were done or would've logically occured without Tails' assistance.

 

I don't see that much misrepresentation about games. The only major example I can find is his look at Black Knight, which, again, isn't about the games story itself, but rather how Sonic is portrayed as a sort of unstoppable badass whos good at anything. I may not particularly agree with how he represents the game, but he only goes as deep as the opening scene, and it's to serve a different point, mainly the subject of villains lacking presence against Sonic.

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Its really sad. Everything Roger use to do made me laugh. He is good at writing jokes and I wanted to make parodies like him. In recent years though, he's taken a serious nosedive. You watch the dissected series and its simply saying how everything nowadays is shit. This has transferred to his cartoons. Have you seen Sonic Lost World in ??? Minutes? Its main joke is Sonic repeatidly saying McNosehair. I really am sad he feels this way about the series now as his animations are damaged by it.

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I really don't understand why Sonic The Hedgehog of all things needs to be analyzed and dissected like this.

 

I can understand if it were any other game series, like Metal Gear, Halo, and hell, even Call of Duty, because all of those have a connecting story.

But Sonic is a platformer with loose continuity. It's like trying to dissect Mario. It doesn't work at all. Any writing in the games is done with the intention of being simple, not only because the main demographic is children, but also because it's not intended to heavily link back with previous games, or give foreshadowing toward a later game.

 

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion here, after all, I am posting this on a Sonic fan site.

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Ah Roger, the guy who went on to say that fans are overreacting to Sonic 06's story and want it all "classic" and bare-bones. Ugh, he acts like we use 06 as a scapegoat to prevent "good writing".

 

Among many other detriments, I don't appreciate how he talks down to anyone who dares to speak ill of Adventure 2.

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Its really sad. Everything Roger use to do made me laugh. He is good at writing jokes and I wanted to make parodies like him. In recent years though, he's taken a serious nosedive. You watch the dissected series and its simply saying how everything nowadays is shit. This has transferred to his cartoons. Have you seen Sonic Lost World in ??? Minutes? Its main joke is Sonic repeatidly saying McNosehair. I really am sad he feels this way about the series now as his animations are damaged by it.

 

I think his hate for Ken Pontac is so strong it blinded his judgment.

 

I mean, THIS is the conclusion Roger came uo with about Sonic Lost World.

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He might have a point about Sonic not learning a damn thing

Actually Sonic learnt to never doubt his friends, even though this isn't the lesson we all wanted Sonic to learn

but everything else is complete horse poop.

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Its kind of sad that as much as I agree with some of the things they are saying, they're going about it in the most obnoxious and in your face about it way possible, so the point is kind of lost. I'm not too fond of the series` current direction as well, but Roger seems to have some personal vendetta against it because it feels like he can't hold his contempt about it no matter the context.

 

From how he described his interview with Ken Pontac went, he seemed like he wanted to verbally abuse him for "daring" to not know every single detail about the series, which while is a completely valid complaint, is no reason to get so uptight about it.

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For Sonic Chronicles.... please know that I also hate the game. But that game as alot of redeeming stuffs in my opinion. Like you can chose what text you want to use. You can chose to sound like a jerkass or be nice. Like Sonic Unleashed text did. You can chose what character you want in your team. Its like Sonic Heroes done right. you can chose whoever you want. Big the cat, a character I like, was badass if you ignore his bad character personality in that game. He have good gameplay I wanna see in 2D. I hate the game for the bad ... i mean fucking bad writing and the new character. Also the grapihcs are horrible as fuck. But its has reedming stuffs to my opinions.

 

Tails being useless in colors? Well..... if you count saving Sonic from Eggmans lazer.... then. BUT, Tails translating role was useless. Dont get me wrong I like the translater but it was mostly use for funny gags then being useful to the story. Sonic has the sense to know if something is wrong or something weird going on. Sonic could have figure it out himself. Sonic even say "exprense teach me that to see anything that glows". I think Sonic could have figure it out. so all and all except for one save, Tails role WAS useless in colors in my opinion.

 

The story part, I like storys in my Sonic games.

 

From what I learn about Rogers series from someone who help me understand it was that he talks about why fans like things. Like with Sonic 2006 and its fans. Why do people from different regon like Sonic games? He kinda says that people have the reason. And from what I been said about him I respect him.

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I couldn't sit through any of those videos all the way.

 

Like most people here have already said, I too think he has some good points here and there, but they're usually things we could have figured out for ourselves. Compound that with his obnoxious attitude and the fact that he harps on some of these points to the point to where it's far beyond overbearing, I find it difficult to find anything about his videos that I actually like.

 

I'm sure Roger is a nice dude, but I think its best if he stays far away from the world of in-depth analysis for now. 

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Sonic not learing anything? hahahaha

 

Sonic Lost World Sonic is misunderstand.

 

Blame someone else: He never blame anyone but himself. He even say the world in danger because he did something stupid. He didnt even blame Eggman.

Mock person: he always mock Eggman haha and he did it because he deserve it. the basterd just kidnapp innocent animals and turn them in the robots. and he put the whole thing that he was sorry for Sonic when it was all a act.

please someone explain what the third one means

Joke about mistake: what he never joke about the mistake. the only think he make jokes about was fucking Eggman.

How is he a hyocrite? Because he call Eggman to shut up when he say he was stupid? (Sonic isnt stupid)

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Yeah, I watched that video some time ago...didn't bother with the his other ones.

 

Like some have said already, he may make some good points, but the bias he has towards the MadWorld writers just reeks, regardless of how anyone feels about their writing. I also get annoyed that he doesn't bring up any critiques with the Adventure games since those two each have their own fair share of flaws. I for one, would love if they did that for a future video. 

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I didn't even know Roger Weide was still around. O_O I used to watch his hilariously random videos years ago, even the non-Sonic ones. That takes me back...

But this video right here shows just how much he's gone downhill. I actually watched one of his recent Sonic videos and it doesn't have the crudely drawn charm and hilariousity of the originals. Sorry Roger, but even as someone who likes SA2 quite a bit I don't agree with your opinions at all. Love how he defends some of the weird dialogue that SA2 had yet absolutely despises the refreshing cartoony Sonic with attitude.

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Wow, if you guys think Roger is overly opinionated and in your face, then you don't wanna see guys like Nikonaquamagna2.

 

Oh don't get me started, I've watched his videos too and he's even worse. Its especially obvious when he guest stars in one of Roger's episodes.

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Sonic not learing anything? hahahaha

 

Sonic Lost World Sonic is misunderstand.

 

Blame someone else: He never blame anyone but himself. He even say the world in danger because he did something stupid. He didnt even blame Eggman.

Mock person: he always mock Eggman haha and he did it because he deserve it. the basterd just kidnapp innocent animals and turn them in the robots. and he put the whole thing that he was sorry for Sonic when it was all a act.

please someone explain what the third one means

Joke about mistake: what he never joke about the mistake. the only think he make jokes about was fucking Eggman.

How is he a hyocrite? Because he call Eggman to shut up when he say he was stupid? (Sonic isnt stupid)

 

The third one means that Sonic jokes around with Tails' worries. Like how Tails said how much Sonic trusts Eggman more than him bites and then Sonic said that they have no choice and it's his fault that it happened and he said how much that bites.

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