DC on TV: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow

[Sami]

It's not a super power

 

It's an aquired skill and overall prefrence

 

Like a gun, except not as bland

 

 

 

I thought you liked it when shows were grounded and stuff with their logic

 

excuse you do you not see the flag below my name 

 

guns are fuckin cool bro

 

check this shit 

 

 

guns are way cooler than bows like c'mon this isn't even a fair competition

 

Yeah but the point is that any idiot can use a gun, it takes a good amount of skill to actually learn and use a bow and arrow, which would bring a lot more advantages than a gun.

 

For example, you need to explode a wall? You can't shoot bullets at it, you can try hitting it with your gun at best after wasting all your ammo into trying to shoot a fucking wall down. That's because you'd need a different kind of weapon for that, guns aren't universal. A bow and arrow is, you can have a shitload of different kinds of arrows, unlike guns, where unless you can carry at least 20 different kinds of guns, which is reallistically impossible, you are limited to the gun you're currently using.

 

I... gueeeeessssss but that really doesn't seem like something that'd come up often like

 

"damn I shoulda brought my arrows! Too bad I left em in the Batmobile, aww man"

[Ratcicle King]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it's about being ready for everything, no matter how rare the situation would be, that's the main point of it, being crazy prepared for any possible outcome.

You were comparing him to Solid Snake, well let's make this better shall we?

Naked Snake, AKA Big Boss.

He was dropped in a forest with nothing but his wits and whatever he could find, sure later he got a gun because this is a Kojima production, and we need gun porn, but if things went in any other way, I could very well see him making a bow and arrows of whatever he could find and using that instead.

 

 

Also, no offense but for a person who likes grounded stuff, your view on guns is unreallistic as hell :U

 

First of all Guns have a really limited ammount of shots, even with extra ammo that leaves a lot of time reloading for the enemy to just sneak up on you, second, silencers work like shit, people would still hear you shooting whoever you shot, it just wouldn't be as loud as it would without the silencer, third, sniping means you need to camp somewhere first and mount the sniper rifle somewhere, while with arrows, just find a spot, shoot and move out, without the annoyance of having to disassemble all the shit you need to use the sniper rifle.

And last but not least, Arrow isn't just about him shooting arrows, he spent five years training both aim AND combat, making him a pretty good fighter and leading to pretty sweet fight scenes, and hey, with bow and arrows if things get to close he also resorts to just stabbing people with the arrows. You can't do that with a bullet, can you?

[Mauro Fonseca]

what sami thinks of when you say "my power is arrows"

 

 

what sami thinks of when martial artist 

 

[The Deleter]

excuse you do you not see the flag below my name 

 

guns are fuckin cool bro

 

check this shit 

 

 

guns are way cooler than bows like c'mon this isn't even a fair competition

 

That's not grounded :U

 

 

 

I'll give you that Arrows aren't half as good in close range combat, but

 

I think Arrow has enough of that to take care of itself

 

 

As a ranged tool they're invaluble for his stealth missions and building hopping to targets, though

 

 

 

Just watch the show, dude

[Sami]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it's about being ready for everything, no matter how rare the situation would be, that's the main point of it, being crazy prepared for any possible outcome.

You were comparing him to Solid Snake, well let's make this better shall we?

Naked Snake, AKA Big Boss.

He was dropped in a forest with nothing but his wits and whatever he could find, sure later he got a gun because this is a Kojima production, and we need gun porn, but if things went in any other way, I could very well see him making a bow and arrows of whatever he could find and using that instead.

 

 

Also, no offense but for a person who likes grounded stuff, your view on guns is unreallistic as hell :U

 

First of all Guns have a really limited ammount of shots, even with extra ammo that leaves a lot of time reloading for the enemy to just sneak up on you, second, silencers work like shit, people would still hear you shooting whoever you shot, it just wouldn't be as loud as it would without the silencer, third, sniping means you need to camp somewhere first and mount the sniper rifle somewhere, while with arrows, just find a spot, shoot and move out, without the annoyance of having to disassemble all the shit you need to use the sniper rifle.

And last but not least, Arrow isn't just about him shooting arrows, he spent five years training both aim AND combat, making him a pretty good fighter and leading to pretty sweet fight scenes, and hey, with bow and arrows if things get to close he also resorts to just stabbing people with the arrows. You can't do that with a bullet, can you?

 

well I mean yeah the bow was pretty useful in The Last of Us too and I like the art of Ellie using it but there was an actual point to that, even in the scenario you described you only really use a bow and arrow as a serious weapon when better weapons aren't available. They didn't have MGS style silenced guns in TLoU so that's why you use the arrows, plus supplies are super super super scarce so it's helpful being able to maybe pick up your used arrow.

 

And yeah I like grounded stuff but rule of cool wins out sometimes when we're talking superhero action and arrows aren't cool but guns are really cool

 

I also don't see why if he's that stupid good with arrows (which aren't nearly as accurate as guns) he wouldn't be even better with a better weapon

That's not grounded :U

 

duh

 

 

neither is this but the difference is gun kata is cool as fuck to watch and this is just silly and dumb

[Ratcicle King]

Because he trained ARCHERY, it's way different from guns, it's like playing baseball and saying ''Hey I am good at swinging a bat, this means I can probably swordfight, since it's all about swinging swords, and I'm good at swinging stuff!''.

[Sami]

so why didn't he train with weapons that didn't stop being useful a hundred years ago

[Kuzu]

well I mean yeah the bow was pretty useful in The Last of Us too and I like the art of Ellie using it but there was an actual point to that, even in the scenario you described you only really use a bow and arrow as a serious weapon when better weapons aren't available. They didn't have MGS style silenced guns in TLoU so that's why you use the arrows, plus supplies are super super super scarce so it's helpful being able to maybe pick up your used arrow.

 

And yeah I like grounded stuff but rule of cool wins out sometimes when we're talking superhero action and arrows aren't cool but guns are really cool

 

I also don't see why if he's that stupid good with arrows (which aren't nearly as accurate as guns) he wouldn't be even better with a better weapon

 

duh

 

 

neither is this but the difference is gun kata is cool as fuck to watch and this is just silly and dumb

 

So twirling guns around is cool, but shooting something down midflight isn't?

 

 

You and I have a very different definition of cool.

[Ratcicle King]

so why didn't he train with weapons that didn't stop being useful a hundred years ago

Because as we said about five times now, he was stuck in an island.

Really just watch the show, at this point we're all just repeating ourselves, it would be better if you gave it a try and then share your thoughts :U

[Marcello]

In other news, I noticed Legends of Tomorrow, for the first time uses "DC's" as a prefix among DC shows.

[goku262002]

Really just watch the show, at this point we're all just repeating ourselves, it would be better if you gave it a try and then share your thoughts :U

This, Sami your logic hurts my brain without you actually watching the show to back it up.

Give it a season, you don't like it then continue your rant about bows and arrows being ineffective weapons but at least know the show you're talking about instead of comparing it to the avengers.

[Brad]

I've only watched a few episodes of Season One of Arrow and I'd say it's up your alley. Darker tone, good fight scenes, interesting story and well acted. A guy running around in a batsuit naming all his gadgets shouldn't be a serious thing but it manages to be thanks to its themes and the tone it sets, and the story it tells.

 

You should totally give it a shot.

[Willsy]

Am I the only one who thought that the latest Flash was a bit lacking in comparison to other recent episodes? I'm sure that's just because it's the last episode before the season finale though. The last scene was really good though and it makes me curious to see what will happen next week.

[Ratcicle King]

The last fight scene felt a bit rushed, mostly because Oliver and Ronnie came out of literally nowhere and went back to nowhere right after it was over.

It was like they were being paid by the minute so the producers decided they should leave right after the fight is over, even if that would make no sense.

And it also doesn't help we have no idea how Oliver left the League of Assassins without anyone noticing to go to Central City fight the Reverse Flash, all while passing by Ray's place to get nanobots to fuck up Reverse Flash's powers.

[Celestia]

So the Flash finale happened. That cliffhanger.....I can't be too angry after such a great episode (and season), but I really do wonder how Season 2 is going to open. Like, are they going to continue on from that moment, or...? I'm super excited to see what happens next.

 

My only problem with the episode is something that'll hopefully be addressed in Season 2. If you've seen the episode already then you probably know what I'm talking about.

If Eobard doesn't exist anymore because Eddie sacrificed himself, wouldn't that pretty much end up undoing all the changes the Reverse-Flash made anyway? I'm guessing that's why the hole appeared in the sky at the very end, but well...I dunno. So many possibilities.

 

ALSO I totally think something's going to go down with Eddie in the future. They really shouldn't have left his body behind to get sucked up by the wormhole. Revese-Flash II confirmed

Edited May 20, 2015 by Celestia

[Kuzu]

FUCKING CLIFFHANGER

[SonicWind]

Ending a season finale with a cliffhanger-- ESPECIALLY a finale like that-- should be against the law.

 

Anyway, a great conclusion to a great season. Looking forward to watching season 2 in October to see what's next.

[Kuzu]

I won't lie, I gotta kinda choked up at the scene with Barry and his Mom; the acting was really good there.

[Ratcicle King]

Ok, gotta be honest here.

I kinda didn't like the finale :U

My main problem here is that after an entire season of build up, about how Barry WILL save his mother no matter the cost, how he'll change the wrongs made to his family and how nothing can change that for him, he goes there, and then, the moment we've been waiting for the entire season! He... Stays hidden while Future Flash and Reverse Flash fight and then Future Flash says ''Nuh-nah'', leaves and Barry instantly gives up. What the fuck? He didn't even fucking try after that, he literally goes ''God dammit if only I could NOT OBEY him'', going against his entire character of being impulsive and traumatized by his mother's death so much that no matter the cost, he'd try to save her if he had the chance. Oh and speaking of the cost, he almost destroyed the fabric of reality, let Eobard free and all that to be stopped in such a mundane way? He could have very well started fighting Reverse Flash right there and then noticing how the timeline was being fucked, understanding that saving his mother would've meant killing everyone and everything else, but nope, Future Flash says Nope, no explanations needed, gonna let my mother be stabbed.

And then we get the final battle against Barry and Eobard, who's been imprisioned for days, meaning he didn't recharge his energy, meaning Barry actually stands a chance! Or...Not, since he got his ass kicked again. The big season finale fight, folks, even Arrow allowed Oliver to beat Malcom in a clever way during it's first season finale, and here Barry had all the reason to be able to overpower Thawne, and still lost. And then Eddie died. which pretty much did the same chain of events Barry would do if he saved his mother, making everything pointless, only instead of getting a new character on the show, we lost two.

Which takes me to my final problem... As much as I like the show... It just copies too much from Arrow's first season, Barry got beat up by a villain who's pretty much his oposite in design during christmas, almost died, it was then revealed in the end of the episode dramatically that the villain was someone we knew, then the rest of the season deals with Barry getting strong enough to face him again and dealing with the fear and frustration of being beaten by him, so during the finale, the villain's big plan happens, Barry fights him again, the villain still overpowers him, ending with one of the main cast dying and an event that destroyed a good chunk of the city.

Only in Arrow, Oliver managed to beat Malcom in the end but was outsmarted, here Barry outsmarts Eobard but gets his ass handed to him.

Also IMO the hints for Legends of Tomorrow felt as subtle as a punch for me.

Which sucks too, I honestly REALLY wanted to enjoy this episode, but I can't ignore these.

[KHCast]

I really liked the finale despite the issues some have mentioned.

future flash probably has a reason for telling present Barry not to save his mom. What that reason is will probably be explained more in season 2.

I will admit that I'm a bit confused as well at Eobard's death not really altering anything, but again this is time travel and can't expect writers to get everything perfect when using that in stories. But still, hope season 2 will address this.

The writers have said that season 2 will explore the multiverse, which interests me a lot as DC relied heavily on that in the comics, so hope it's done justice here. I hope it doesn't prove as a problem and mess for the show, but with Legends and Arrow at its side, perhaps we'll be good. Perhaps the multiverse will introduce alternate versions of characters, creating more unique and interesting plots. (Caitlyn does become evil, but maybe here, she'll just have a alternate universe evil version for example.)

very excited to see what happens with the show now!

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Well. Looks like the big master planner is an idiot.

 

Then again, what the fuck did he expect was going to happen when he went to someone in the past, someone who is key to his existence and basically start laughing in his face about their related and how Eddie created him...EXCEPT, he had absolutely 100% no reason to do so because kidnapping Eddie basically lead to nothing. It didn't help him keep the heroes away for long, Eddie didn't serve any type of purpose, and considering Wells was the one fucking panicking in Episode 16 when he found out that Barry had altered the past, so if Eddie served absolutely no purpose whatsoever, what the fuck was the point of kidnapping him only to mock him? Reverse Flash might as well just went up and told him to erase him from history, because him kidnapping Eddie was just to have Eddie find out that he can erase Reverse Flash from time.

 

Then there's the fact that half of the time travel stuff we were told in the two time travel episodes - Ep 15 and 16 isn't even fucking relevant. Wells tells Barry that by altering the past, those past events will still occur, just in a different way or in fact be even worse. This is proven when instead of the city being under attack and Joe is kidnapped, Captain Cold, his sister, and his partner kidnaps Cisco instead, goes on a crime spree through Central City, and instead of Cisco being the one who's killed by Reverse Flash, it's instead Iris's friend who gets killed. So where the hell was this?

 

If what you guys are saying is true (I haven't actually seen the episode yet as it doesn't air in the UK until next week), then the finale is one massive plothole in of itself. If the above theory is true, wouldn't that mean the Reverse Flash still exists? Just he'd either be another person altogether, or Eobard would have been born into a different family? It just doesn't make sense.

[KHCast]

Well. Looks like the big master planner is an idiot.

Then again, what the fuck did he expect was going to happen when he went to someone in the past, someone who is key to his existence and basically start laughing in his face about their related and how Eddie created him...EXCEPT, he had absolutely 100% no reason to do so because kidnapping Eddie basically lead to nothing. It didn't help him keep the heroes away for long, Eddie didn't serve any type of purpose, and considering Wells was the one fucking panicking in Episode 16 when he found out that Barry had altered the past, so if Eddie served absolutely no purpose whatsoever, what the fuck was the point of kidnapping him only to mock him? Reverse Flash might as well just went up and told him to erase him from history, because him kidnapping Eddie was just to have Eddie find out that he can erase Reverse Flash from time.

Then there's the fact that half of the time travel stuff we were told in the two time travel episodes - Ep 15 and 16 isn't even fucking relevant. Wells tells Barry that by altering the past, those past events will still occur, just in a different way or in fact be even worse. This is proven when instead of the city being under attack and Joe is kidnapped, Captain Cold, his sister, and his partner kidnaps Cisco instead, goes on a crime spree through Central City, and instead of Cisco being the one who's killed by Reverse Flash, it's instead Iris's friend who gets killed. So where the hell was this?

If what you guys are saying is true (I haven't actually seen the episode yet as it doesn't air in the UK until next week), then the finale is one massive plothole in of itself. If the above theory is true, wouldn't that mean the Reverse Flash still exists? Just he'd either be another person altogether, or Eobard would have been born into a different family? It just doesn't make sense.

[Celestia]

Then there's the fact that half of the time travel stuff we were told in the two time travel episodes - Ep 15 and 16 isn't even fucking relevant. Wells tells Barry that by altering the past, those past events will still occur, just in a different way or in fact be even worse. This is proven when instead of the city being under attack and Joe is kidnapped, Captain Cold, his sister, and his partner kidnaps Cisco instead, goes on a crime spree through Central City, and instead of Cisco being the one who's killed by Reverse Flash, it's instead Iris's friend who gets killed. So where the hell was this?

[Ryannumber1gamer]

My point was that any change to the past (Eobard's past) is that despite any changes to the past, the present will still find some way to make those things happen, even in different ways. So by giving Eddie the information of the future, which directly affected his decision to kill himself to erase Eobard but if what we're told in Ep 15 and 16, the universe should still figure out someway to either make Eobard still exist (as I said, by having him born into a different family) or having a new person who gets turned into the reverse Flash who is also from the future. 

 

Also there's meant to be a rumor that Killer Frost will be debuting in Season 2

[KHCast]

My point was that any change to the past (Eobard's past) is that despite any changes to the past, the present will still find some way to make those things happen, even in different ways. So by giving Eddie the information of the future, which directly affected his decision to kill himself to erase Eobard but if what we're told in Ep 15 and 16, the universe should still figure out someway to either make Eobard still exist (as I said, by having him born into a different family) or having a new person who gets turned into the reverse Flash who is also from the future.

Also there's meant to be a rumor that Killer Frost will be debuting in Season 2