Sonic Generations 2 Discussion Thread: Wishes and Hopes

[Ryannumber1gamer]

No one is getting worked up.

 

Off topic I know but one thing I'm really noticing around here is anytime anyone dares to debate with someone, it always ends up with a claim that someone is overreacting or is trying to attack people. If you are going to discuss this kind of thing on a message board then expect debating and stop trying to claim that everyone who disagrees is overreacting.

[azoo]

 

That's true, but only if it's done cynically. If it's done in a sincere way and executed well it would certainly come across as a true celebration of how good Sonic was and how Sonic is still relevant. Especially since there is still such great material to work off.

 

That's what Generations was.

 

You can't just do the same show twice and expect the same applause. No matter if they "did it better", it'd be the same thing all over again, thus further trivializing the worth of Sonic's legacy, so why bother?

[Junko]

We don't need to rigidly follow such a time limit for a fucking game.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about this. I'm not asking to shoot people [emoji14]

Uh, no one's getting worked up? People are having valid discussion. How exactly is this getting worked up?

[Diamond Sonic]

No one is getting worked up.

 

If you are going to discuss this kind of thing on a message board then expect debating and stop trying to claim that everyone who disagrees is overreacting.

 

I have been on a forums a very long time and noone has gotten so defensive about their opinions then when someone like myself discusses a point they don't like. Not sure if it's because I'm new or not but it's definitely unique to this place. You are right though, it's off-topic.

 

 

That's what Generations was.

 

You can't just do the same show twice and expect the same applause. No matter if they "did it better", it'd be the same thing all over again, thus further trivializing the worth of Sonic's legacy, so why bother?

 

Because there's such great potential and one more anniversary title would be worth it!

 

It's not unusual for franchises to have two anniversary games. Look at Halo.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

No one here is getting worked up at all. From what I've seen, there has been perfectly valid discussions and points. There is no one getting worked up or pissed off. All I see is you overreacting over these valid points and claiming everyone's getting worked up.

[Junko]

Because there's such great potential and one more anniversary title would be worth it!

It's not unusual for franchises to have two anniversary games. Look at Halo.

Halo CEA came at the game's 10th anniversary. That's fine. Huge milestone. Halo 2 Anniversary and thus Halo MCC came because:

1) Halo 2 was also an original Xbox title and could do with the upgrade

2) Halo 5 is around the corner.

Generations falls into Halo CEA's category of huge milestone. Generations 2, however has no reason to be a thing at this point because it'd be mindless pandering. You forget; one of the reasons that Gens did so well was because it came out of fucking nowhere. Of course Sega do stuff for the anniversary, but nothing on this scale or magnitude. Now the nostalgia train is gone. Gens 2 would be incredibly mindless nostalgia whoring at this point.

EDIT: Can the emoji just die please

[Diamond Sonic]

Generations falls into Halo CEA's category of huge milestone. 

 

Strictly speaking, the Halo franchise didn't really need an upgrade for Halo 2 when CEA came out only 3 years prior. Sonic 2 is certainly much older than Halo 2. Surely 343 should have waited an arbitrary amount of time after CEA like you want Sonic Team to?

 

It's similar to what I'm asking for.

[Junko]

Strictly speaking, the Halo franchise didn't really need an upgrade for Halo 2 when CEA came out only 3 years prior. Sonic 2 is certainly much older than Halo 2. Surely 343 should have waited an arbitrary amount of time after CEA like you want Sonic Team to?

It's similar to what I'm asking for.

You forget that Halo is also driven by its story and thus, wouldn't it be logical to have all the games ready for the next in the franchise? Sonic is nowhere fucking near as reliant on story.

[azoo]

We don't need to rigidly follow such a time limit for a fucking game.

Imagine if Mario released his own Generations game. Then the next game is a New Super Mario title, and then the next one is Mario Generations 2.

Doesn't that sound dumb to you? If it doesn't.. then... ??????

 

Not sure why people are getting so worked up about this. I'm not asking to shoot people

On one hand, some people in this place have the tendency to get too arrogant and conceited with their arguments. It's one thing to have your personal opinion about stuff, but getting snappy and borderline self-righteous is a bit on the dumb side.

On the other hand, you tend to make many arguments that people don't find much ground in and then blame people for being hostile or over-reacting whenever they've simply got the gall to keep retorting to your argument people don't agree with much, and then throw even more stuff at them that either makes them disagree even more, or just straight up boggles them senseless. 

 

You still have your room to make your argument so yeah that's cool and all, but I mean..

We should all probably start stepping back a bit and looking at what we post, because time and time again it climbs to silly levels, and I'm not gonna hesitate to close the topic if it keeps escalating. That's to all of you. Capiche?

 

So yeah anyways.

[Diamond Sonic]

You forget that Halo is also driven by its story and thus, wouldn't it be logical to have all the games ready for the next in the franchise? Sonic is nowhere fucking near as reliant on story.

 

Well Halo 4 wasn't that connected to Halo 1 and 2. It only had a few connections to Halo 3. The game was intentionally designed with newcomers in mind, which I honestly think is a good idea.

 

Halo 5 is probably going to be the same. So they didn't really need to get the MCC out the door. It was done for monetary reasons, which I'm fine with because beside the horrible launch and execution it's decent.

Imagine if Mario released his own Generations game. Then the next game is a New Super Mario title, and then the next one is Mario Generations 2.

Doesn't that sound dumb to you? If it doesn't.. then... ??????

 

Well we are kind of getting that with Mario Maker

[azoo]

Well we are kind of getting that with Mario Maker

 

But there never was a Mario Generations to make Mario Maker dumb. It was hypothetical...

 

Actually you know what, I'm just gonna go over there.

[Diamond Sonic]

But there never was a Mario Generations to make Mario Maker dumb. It was hypothetical...

 

Actually you know what, I'm just gonna go over there.

 

I was only making a funny post D:

 

I'm not trying to own everyone in a debate all the time you know!

[Gabz Girl]

I don't really want to see another Generations since it was mostly just nostalgia pandering with a bad plot, horrible final boss and barely any replay value. It actually annoys me how many people want to see a Gens sequel! Just looking at Neogaf, most of the Sonic related topics talk about how badly they want a sequel. It...really wasn't that amazing in my eyes. 8I

 

Buuuut if there WAS a sequel for Sonic's 30th or whatever, then I'd hope they improve it with a better story, more Classic character appearances, more extras, DLC and some proper Sonic CD and Sonic 3 rep!

[Diamond Sonic]

I don't really want to see another Generations since it was mostly just nostalgia pandering with a bad plot, horrible final boss and barely any replay value.

 

It certainly had a bad plot and a horrible, atrocious final boss but I think it had replay value. All those hidden pathways, Red Rings, Missions and Skills added a good deal of replay value, more than most Sonic games.

 

 

Just looking at Neogaf, most of the Sonic related topics talk about how badly they want a sequel. It...really wasn't that amazing in my eyes. 8I

 

A sequel has so much potential, that's why 

 

 

Buuuut if there WAS a sequel for Sonic's 30th or whatever, then I'd hope they improve it with a better story, more Classic character appearances, more extras, DLC and some proper Sonic CD and Sonic 3 rep!

 

Agreed!

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Uh. No offence but the potential you think Generations has is more general than anything. The gameplay, the replay value and all that can all go into a brand new Sonic game altogether. The only real potential is a time travel plot (Which the currently writers couldn't do and we'd need someone like Ian Flynn to write), and the remade levels. That's it. Even then, that's not much potential as the time travel plot has been in three different Sonic games already including the most recent one so it can easily become just a rehashed story device. 

[sonicgirl313]

A sequel has so much potential, that's why 

[Diamond Sonic]

It's just a shame because I really wanted to discuss with people how Sonic Generations 2 could shake up the formula and learn new ideas from people that would be really cool. I remembered before the server wipe Sami had a great idea about a final level that would act as a 'megamix Death Egg/Eggman' level. I was hoping for more discussion like that but all I'll I've been doing is wasting time with people (and wasting their time) defending Sonic Generation's 2's right to exist.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Look. No offence, but you can't expect everyone to just pop in and agree with you. When you create a discussion on a game, then people are going to tell you what they think and if they think it should happen. Look at the title of the thread. It says Discussion Thread. No one has to automatically agree with you and everyone is allowed to discuss and debate about it. You just can't start complaining and claiming it was a waste of time because people dared disagree with you. It makes it sound like you are saying you are correct, our points don't matter and this game should 100% happen and I'm sorry but on a discussion board, that just can't happen. You have to expect debating your points with other people.

[C.J]

I really don't want a sequel to Generations. I'd rather have a new Sonic game altogether. Sonic Generations was a celebration of Sonic's history and character. It had an excuse to put Sonic and Classic Sonic together in order to appeal to all fans. The game was running entirely on nostalgia. It was okay for the 20th anniversary but this type of thing really shouldn't be done every five to ten years. You'd essentially be getting the same results from the first game if it was done a second time and I really don't want to see this. This franchise needs to progress, make new memories and not constantly relive the past/rely on nostalgia as they've been doing for a while now. I feel the novely of it all has already exhausted out.

[JezMM]

I think people are getting kind of hostile to this discussion now coz I swear this is like the 2nd or 3rd topic we've had about Sonic Generations 2.  If there is ever another one I'd expect it to be for the 40th if not 50th anniversary and who even knows how the series will be if it's still going then.  Sonic Generations 2, as people imagine it currently, is simply never ever gonna happen.

 

But the concept of it seems to be the latest thing in a line of repetitive subjects that some fans just cannot let go of like Sonic Adventure 3 and "Would Sonic 2006 have been good if it were finished?"  People are getting kinda tired of it now.

 

I know I have a bunch of ideas for Sonic Generations 2 but honestly they're actually ideas I had for Sonic Generations 1 before it launched that simply didn't get covered in the final game in the end.

[Wittymations]

Generations did almost everything I didn't like, so naturally I wouldn't want a sequel.

 

But I'll say this: You know what the main difference from Generations and a game like it? Generations rehashes stages, you may as well call Lost World Generations 2 with stages like Not-Green Hill and Not-Casino Night. Which, incidentally, I also heavily dislike.

 

Actually, while I'm at it, may as well say the same thing for Sonic 4.

 

You can kinda see why people don't want that.

[Autosaver]

Generations did almost everything I didn't like, so naturally I wouldn't want a sequel.

 

But I'll say this: You know what the main difference from Generations and a game like it? Generations rehashes stages, you may as well call Lost World Generations 2 with stages like Not-Green Hill and Not-Casino Night. Which, incidentally, I also heavily dislike.

Eh, I don't think it's fair to compare Lost World like that. A "Green" level and "Casino" level are more just tropes of Sonic games, not rehashes. Sonic 2 had Emerald Hill and Sonic 3 had Carnival Night.

 

Honestly though, a lot of people's thirsts for more remade levels could be solved if Sonic Generations had DLC. If they released one or two more stages, I think people would be more satisfied.

[Wittymations]

While true, there's something more blatant about Windy Hill over Emerald Hill. It could be the use of checkered ground, but Seaside uses the checkered ground and doesn't feel entirely unoriginal.

 

Maybe it's also the Motobugs, but something just feels like it's trying to scream "HEY GUYS IT'S GREEN HILL ZONE"

[Gabz Girl]

It certainly had a bad plot and a horrible, atrocious final boss but I think it had replay value. All those hidden pathways, Red Rings, Missions and Skills added a good deal of replay value, more than most Sonic games.

 

I know there's Red Rings, skills and such but you can finish them quite swiftly and easily. Hell even getting achievements in this game is easy! It only took me a week to get every single one, with not getting hit by Time Eater being the last one to collect. Some challenge would be nice.

[Diamond Sonic]

Look. No offence, but you can't expect everyone to just pop in and agree with you. When you create a discussion on a game, then people are going to tell you what they think and if they think it should happen. Look at the title of the thread. It says Discussion Thread. No one has to automatically agree with you and everyone is allowed to discuss and debate about it. You just can't start complaining and claiming it was a waste of time because people dared disagree with you. It makes it sound like you are saying you are correct, our points don't matter and this game should 100% happen and I'm sorry but on a discussion board, that just can't happen. You have to expect debating your points with other people.