The Nintendo Switch Thread

[DiamondX]

V-Jump, a Japanese magasine, announced that Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 is launching on the Switch this fall.

If you pre-order, you get Xenoverse 1's story and a code to unlock all Xenoverse 1 characters.

[PC the Hedgehog]

I'm still waiting to get a Switch until a game I really want comes out for it, and Splatoon 2 might just be that game. This bundle would be perfect for me. Hope it comes to the US.
 

39 minutes ago, DiamondX Rosé said:

V-Jump, a Japanese magasine, announced that Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 is launching on the Switch this fall.

If you pre-order, you get Xenoverse 1's story and a code to unlock all Xenoverse 1 characters.

 

Xenoverse 1's story? Like, basically the entire first game's story mode?

Because that's one doozy of an incentive.

[DiamondX]

Yes. It's most propably because 

Spoiler

The Hero from XV1 can be transferred in XV2 and he plays a role in the story.

 

[Zippo]

https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/DAlPK5CWAAAMD5W?format=jpg&name=large

Nintendo's stock price peaked to it's highest point in 5 years this morning, surpassing even Pokemon Go's peak. No one knows why, but here are some possibilities being thrown around:

1. The shareholders have a huge amount of confidence in Nintendo's E3 lineup.

2. Switch sales are even higher than we thought. 

3.  The least likely one, but Nintendo could be preparing one last big announcement before E3. Gee...I wonder what franchise it could be...

[Kintor]

17 minutes ago, Zippo said:

Nintendo's stock price peaked to it's highest point in 5 years this morning, surpassing even Pokemon Go's peak. No one knows why, but here are some possibilities being thrown around:

1. The shareholders have a huge amount of confidence in Nintendo's E3 lineup.

2. Switch sales are even higher than we thought.

The share market is less a rational response to available information and more like a reflection of investor’s collective emotional pre-conceived beliefs. That inevitably if enough people with money believe that certain shares are worth alot money then eventually the price does rise, even in the absence of anything actually changing in how that company conducts business.

Knowing this it's quite possible for certain influencal parties, like hedge funds, to artificially inflate share prices. The idea being to get a bunch of hapless smaller investors to buy shares in that company, then the hedge fund sells all its shares in that company at the peak of the price rise, before the bubble bursts and a lot of people are left out of pocket. It's not quite illegal (unless the person doing it also owns the company itself) but a lot of people do get hurt in the process.

So, in the absence of any new information in regards to Nintendo this sudden rise in share price should have smart investors concerned about the whole situation. Either this is all mindless price speculation being organically driven by smaller investors or a major hedge fund is preparing to dump a whole heap of Nintendo stock on the open market.

[Zippo]

http://nintendoeverything.com/monster-hunter-xx-coming-to-switch/

Monster Hunter XX is coming to Switch. 

If Pokemon and Dragon Quest are coming as soon as rumored, along with the already announced Splatoon and Mario, it's literally game over for Japan. 

It probably explains this as well:

https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/DAlPK5CWAAAMD5W?format=jpg&name=large

[Kintor]

1 hour ago, Zippo said:

It probably explains this as well:

https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/DAlPK5CWAAAMD5W?format=jpg&name=large

As I said in my last post, share value has nothing to do with actually information. Share prices only reflect the emotional responses of investors at any given moment and are highly susceptible to both group-think and manipulation. A random rise in Nintendo's share price in the absence of any new information means nothing, or worse than nothing when the share-price craters after panicky investors realise that their beliefs about the future don't match reality.

[KHCast]

>constantly considers sega financially fine and doing well in the eyes of the public 

>shits on Nintendo and their sales and proclaims Nintendo is gonna be fucked 

 

[Zippo]

11 minutes ago, KHCast said:

>constantly considers sega financially fine and doing well in the eyes of the public 

>shits on Nintendo and their sales and proclaims Nintendo is gonna be fucked 

 

I don't even bother reading his drivel lmao. He'll do anything to convince us that his fanboy agenda is somehow justified. It's a shame some people can't even entertain the thought of a company doing well.  

[Captain Fun]

2 hours ago, Zippo said:

http://nintendoeverything.com/monster-hunter-xx-coming-to-switch/

Monster Hunter XX is coming to Switch. 

 

That's neat. I'm kinda surprised though, because IIRC Capcom said that MonHun was being held back by being only on portable systems.

Also Nintendo stock going up means nothing but going down as a result of fickle investors means doom, of course. Any other financial info like their balances or profits is irrelevant and the stock is the only thing that says something about the company's health, and only when it drops. 

[Kintor]

35 minutes ago, KHCast said:

>constantly considers sega financially fine and doing well in the eyes of the public 

>shits on Nintendo and their sales and proclaims Nintendo is gonna be fucked

I noticed that you didn't actually respond to the argument I made in my last post. I can only assume you agree with what I have to say, or are otherwise unable to provide any kind of counter-argument. Of course, it should be quite obvious now that the ups and downs of Nintendo's share price is at the mercy of panicky speculative investors who have no interest in Nintendo's long term (or lack thereof) as a company.

[KHCast]

I didn't respond directly to it because it's cherry picked selective reasoning that you're only applying to Nintendo, i.e., bullshit. Not to mention you haven't provided sources that paint the picture of Nintendo financially beginning to dwindle 

[Captain Fun]

For the sake of the thread, lets not derail it by getting into a circular argument where the same point gets repeated over and over again. It just brings down discussion. 

[Zaysho]

7 minutes ago, Kintor said:

I noticed that you didn't actually respond to the argument I made in my last post. I can only assume you agree with what I have to say, or are otherwise unable to provide any kind of counter-argument.

It's funny you say this when you were repeatedly doing this in the Sonic Forces thread--and called out by staff and members alike--and yet you see actual data presented and immediately dismiss it with nothing but conjecture. Come on, man.

 

13 minutes ago, Captain Fun said:

For the sake of the thread, lets not derail it by getting into a circular argument where the same point gets repeated over and over again. It just brings down discussion. 

(butplzandthankyou)

[Zippo]

Back on topic. In other news, Gamestop's CFO is saying they've never seen demand for a console like this before. People want this thing. And they want it bad. 

http://gonintendo.com/stories/281058-gamestop-not-even-close-to-catching-up-with-switch-demand-at

[KHCast]

Man, this must be putting Amiibo and the NES Classic to shame lol

[Kintor]

3 hours ago, KHCast said:

I didn't respond directly to it because it's cherry picked selective reasoning that you're only applying to Nintendo, i.e., bullshit. Not to mention you haven't provided sources that paint the picture of Nintendo financially beginning to dwindle 

The question at hand is whether or not a rise in share prices has any bearing on Nintendo's health as a company - I argue that it doesn't. We've seen this many times more, Nintendo fans getting excited over a mysterious rise in share prices, only for that same share price to mysteriously crater soon afterwards. This is because Nintendo doesn't actually have any control over their share price, it's all [market] driven speculation at the hands of investors. Little better then gambling in a way, the stock market is basically a big casino and the investors are betting on a short term rise in Nintendo stock, regardless of any information on the ground, so that they can then sell that stock before the price crashes again.

[Tornado]

5 hours ago, Zippo said:

Back on topic. In other news, Gamestop's CFO is saying they've never seen demand for a console like this before. People want this thing. And they want it bad. 

http://gonintendo.com/stories/281058-gamestop-not-even-close-to-catching-up-with-switch-demand-at

That's not what Gamestop's CFO said. The Switch is selling better because Nintendo has been able to make more of them than they could Wiis over the same period of time (nevermind the PS2's infamous supply problems), but at the end of the day this isn't an unprecedented occurrence and nothing he said in that link points to it being so.

[Zippo]

Huh? I didn't get that at all. Actually, he's just reiterating on his colleagues' comments from March. Being Nintendo's fastest selling console and breaking previous launch launch records isn't "unprecedented"? Wuh?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gamestop-nintendo-switch-sales-phenomenal-could-ou/1100-6448845/

“The Nintendo Switch is off to a start right now that it could possibly eclipse the Wii. Initial sales on this have been phenomenal. I can’t give straight numbers, but I can say we’re seeing one of the highest attach rates of software and accessories to a device that we’ve seen in a long time.”

i don't how this can be anything but amazingly good news to hear. Also, is there a source for your claim that more Switches have been produced than Wiis in a two month period? Haven't heard that one myself yet. 

[Meta77]

2 hours ago, Tornado said:

That's not what Gamestop's CFO said. The Switch is selling better because Nintendo has been able to make more of them than they could Wiis over the same period of time (nevermind the PS2's infamous supply problems), but at the end of the day this isn't an unprecedented occurrence and nothing he said in that link points to it being so.

I agree they are producing more

[Zippo]

Also, Nintendo stock rose +5.48%, 2.2 Billion, in one day, due to the Monster Hunter announcement. This is the highest it's been since 2008. 

[Meta77]

Make sure you say yen. 5% = 2 billion in stock what is the going rate lord

[ProfessorZolo]

7 hours ago, Kintor said:

mysterious

>Brand new, fast selling home/ handheld hybrid console.

>Launched with new Zelda with over 100% attach rate.

>Mario Kart within the first two months.

>Sequel to what is arguably the Wii U's finest game, Splatoon, launching in July.

>New 3D Mario at the end of the year, not to mention ports of some of the last generation's best titles.

>And now Monster Hunter!

 

Real mysterious. Guess we better get fucking Poirot on the case.

[Meta77]

32 minutes ago, ProfessorZolo said:

>Brand new, fast selling home/ handheld hybrid console.

>Launched with new Zelda with over 100% attach rate.

>Mario Kart within the first two months.

>Sequel to what is arguably the Wii U's finest game, Splatoon, launching in July.

>New 3D Mario at the end of the year, not to mention ports of some of the last generation's best titles.

>And now Monster Hunter!

 

Real mysterious. Guess we better get fucking Poirot on the case.

I will still say the only reason Zelda had that attach rate is cause it's literally one of the if not only fp games at launch. 

Also just saying mh Is also a port.  regardless the switch is a much better console than that piece of shit called the Wii u

[Tornado]

2 hours ago, Zippo said:

Huh? I didn't get that at all. Actually, he's just reiterating on his colleagues' comments from March. Being Nintendo's fastest selling console and breaking previous launch launch records isn't "unprecedented"? Wuh?

No, it's not unprecedented. The Switch is not the first console that was in such short supply that it was basically nonexistent in retail outlets for months, which made up the primary thrust of the article. The Switch is not the first console that a noted attempt to ramp up supply before launch was completely buried by the demand it had even as the launch faded into memory. The sales are higher than before because Nintendo has been able to produce more consoles than previous consoles that also were hopelessly behind what the market desired; but the root cause of the crippling supply shortage is no different than it was for the PS2 or Wii.

 

If you wanted a Wii in 2006 and Gamestop didn't have one, as they probably didn't until around April of 2007, then on Gamestop's end the demand wasn't any less for that system than it was with the PS2 until April of 2001 or the Switch right now even though Nintendo is selling more of the latter. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this:

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"I can't give straight numbers, but I can say we're seeing one of the highest attach rates of software and accessories to a device that we've seen in a long time," Bright explained.

Is even refering to either the PS2's first year or the Wii's first year.

 

 

2 hours ago, Zippo said:

i don't how this can be anything but amazingly good news to hear.

That's fair enough. I don't know how you can take what was essentially "demand is functionally no different from previous huge record sustained console launches, but this time manufacturing was brought online better" as a negative for Nintendo in the first place.

 

 

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Also, is there a source for your claim that more Switches have been produced than Wiis in a two month period? Haven't heard that one myself yet. 

Um... the fact that they've sold more Switches than they did Wiis in the same period of time when both consoles' sales numbers were entirely supply-limited for months after launch. You posted a link to that effect already, so it's surprising you don't understand the cause and effect here. Sony could have sold more PS2s than they did if they weren't in a huge shortage for 5 months before opening more manufacturing areas after the already 6-month-delayed-for-supply-issues launch it had. Nintendo could have sold more Wiis than they did if they didn't have a shortage that lasted about as long because they dramatically underestimated production needs on launch. Both systems would be untouchable by the current console generation if those supply problems from launch didn't come up literally every holiday season for the next 3 years even after expanded production capacity.

 

Nintendo was able to produce more Switches, so Nintendo was able to sell more Switches. It's unprecedented because of the numbers of the former, but still not having nearly as much as is needed makes it pretty impossible to make a call on the actual numbers of demand.