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Sonic Mania (August 15th 2017, Christian Whitehead, PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch) - The New Classic

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2 minutes ago, Auroxen said:

I think this won't be Mirage Saloon's heavy, I think it'll be like the leader of the group.

As it has been pointed out pages before (i'm lurking in this post since it was created in July lol) he's portrait is in the zone's second Act which would mean that he's already been destroyed by that point if he really is fought in that zone (the heavies are Act 1 bosses).

So MAYBE, if the animation is real, we can use the background sketches to guess one of the final zones of the game (because if it really is the leader he will likely be fought near the end).

I get the feeling it wont be a "transitionary" animation between zones.

I think it's like how Sonic CD did the very end of the game.

It shows a bunch of cute random scenes from in the game in animation style. So this would be a quick clip of Sonic finishing studiopolis, then suddenly the next heavy attacks. Much like how in CD, you saw the battle against Metal Sonic even after he was defeated because the animation wasn't identical to what happened in-game, but a collaberation of clips at the end.

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4 minutes ago, Auroxen said:

I think this won't be Mirage Saloon's heavy, I think it'll be like the leader of the group.

As it has been pointed out pages before (i'm lurking in this post since it was created in July lol) he's portrait is in the zone's second Act which would mean that he's already been destroyed by that point if he really is fought in that zone (the heavies are Act 1 bosses).

So MAYBE, if the animation is real, we can use the background sketches to guess one of the final zones of the game (because if it really is the leader he will likely be fought near the end).

I think you are probably right (perhaps the top hat heavy is the one fought in Mirage Saloon) Also, flying and shooting lasers isn't a western theme.

This could mean a few things

  • What if this Heavy Leader is the same heavy from Sonic 3 and Knuckles? After seeing what he did, Eggman realized he would be perfect to lead his new elites. Perhaps he will come back in knuckle's story and replace eggman like the EggRobo in Sonic 3?
  • This could also mean that we will be getting 6 new zones (4 for each of the heavies (Gunner, Desert, Knight One, Ninja One) 1 for the heavy leader (perhaps he is defending eggman's new base or stronghold) and the last stage would be a final final stage, perhaps a new creation or upgraded Death Egg.
  • Or, the portraits won't appear in Act 2 in the final build, or the Hardboiled Heavies may assist eggman in the act 2 battles (would be weird to introduce these awesome new villains and only have them be a miniboss in 1 act (maybe a boss rush at the end of the game with them))

Also this makes me wonder, we have seen Mirage Saloon Act 2, and know from Studiopolis and Green Hill the backgrounds will change drastically, perhaps Act 1 will at the canyons in the background of Act 2?

3 minutes ago, Gemster312 said:

I get the feeling it wont be a "transitionary" animation between zones.

I think it's like how Sonic CD did the very end of the game.

It shows a bunch of cute random scenes from in the game in animation style. So this would be a quick clip of Sonic finishing studiopolis, then suddenly the next heavy attacks. Much like how in CD, you saw the battle against Metal Sonic even after he was defeated because the animation wasn't identical to what happened in-game, but a collaberation of clips at the end.

This. If this is true, it also means that we will be getting a Sonic CD style opening and ending scene. I love the style, so I really hope this is the case.

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2 minutes ago, Zippo said:

Actually, it has not been stated whether or not the HBH will be bosses of the second acts. All Iizuka has said is that they'll be the bosses of the new stages. 

Oh, my bad then, I thought it was confirmed.

1 minute ago, Gemster312 said:

I get the feeling it wont be a "transitionary" animation between zones.

I think it's like how Sonic CD did the very end of the game.

It shows a bunch of cute random scenes from in the game in animation style. So this would be a quick clip of Sonic finishing studiopolis, then suddenly the next heavy attacks. Much like how in CD, you saw the battle against Metal Sonic even after he was defeated because the animation wasn't identical to what happened in-game, but a collaberation of clips at the end.

This is also a likely possibility I didn't think of, guess I got carried away with the possibility of guessing material ahah

1 minute ago, Psychicmoose103 said:

I think you are probably right (perhaps the top hat heavy is the one fought in Mirage Saloon) Also, flying and shooting lasers isn't a western theme.

This could mean a few things

  • What if this Heavy Leader is the same heavy from Sonic 3 and Knuckles? After seeing what he did, Eggman realized he would be perfect to lead his new elites. Perhaps he will come back in knuckle's story and replace eggman like the EggRobo in Sonic 3?
  • This could also mean that we will be getting 6 new zones (4 for each of the heavies (Gunner, Desert, Knight One, Ninja One) 1 for the heavy leader (perhaps he is defending eggman's new base or stronghold) and the last stage would be a final final stage, perhaps a new creation or upgraded Death Egg.

This could fit nicely with the theory I have read on this very post a while ago that Sonic 1, Sonic 2 will each have 2 stages while Sonic 3, Sonic CD and Sonic & Knuckles will have 1 (I think it would make sense as it would result in 3&K having 2 stages and CD, being the less popular one, having less than the main classics).

According to that theory there would be 7 old stages, which would fit nicely with the 6 new you predicted, making the 60/40 ratio statement make sense while making it have more zones than Generations (which would make sense with what was said previously in regards to game length).

I would still hope for a minimum of 14 Zones though (one more than predicted here) because otherwise it'd be shorter than 3&K, maybe the king of the heavies will be the guard of the second to last zone, then there'd be a last regular zone (which I hope would be Scrap Brain lol) and then a Super Sonic final fight.

A man can dream.

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I said before and I'll say it again: if Mania features an animated intro like that one (even if it's just 30 seconds long), by God I would pay 60 bucks for it, even if the game is digital only. I love CD's intro and endings so much, it adds to the experience a lot, especially the intro. And seeing that the "leaked" animation uses the Mega Drive comic design for Sonic makes me want EVEN MORE.

 

Please SEGA, invest on it.

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I think this new Green Hill Zone Act 2 video may have been the best possible way to, perhaps even unintentionally? preview the new music!   It doesn't fully reveal the full sound of the track, but it is much better than for example if it was just a few seconds heard somewhere.  The video overall comes close to being a second moment similar to the initial trailer being played last year!  ^_^:) 

 

Although there have been many moments similar to that, this has some new aspects to it.   With all of those game boxes and cartridges in front of them, with the Studiopolis music playing as they introduce and describe the game. Somehow one of the presenters is also wearing a boom Sonic costume, both presenters are enjoying the game so much; it must feel amazing for the team to see how their work is blossoming outwards, that it really is the next official Sonic game continuing from the original series, and this is still near the beginning!! 

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I'm sure multiple people have already asked them today, as I'm sure they're aware of the leak, but did anyone here ask Aaron or Sergio about it? "No comment?" or no reply at all?

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6 hours ago, Auroxen said:

Oh, my bad then, I thought it was confirmed.

This is also a likely possibility I didn't think of, guess I got carried away with the possibility of guessing material ahah

This could fit nicely with the theory I have read on this very post a while ago that Sonic 1, Sonic 2 will each have 2 stages while Sonic 3, Sonic CD and Sonic & Knuckles will have 1 (I think it would make sense as it would result in 3&K having 2 stages and CD, being the less popular one, having less than the main classics).

According to that theory there would be 7 old stages, which would fit nicely with the 6 new you predicted, making the 60/40 ratio statement make sense while making it have more zones than Generations (which would make sense with what was said previously in regards to game length).

I would still hope for a minimum of 14 Zones though (one more than predicted here) because otherwise it'd be shorter than 3&K, maybe the king of the heavies will be the guard of the second to last zone, then there'd be a last regular zone (which I hope would be Scrap Brain lol) and then a Super Sonic final fight.

A man can dream.

Aaron said on that stream that the team wants to make it comparable to the length of the genesis games. If that were to be taken as Sonic 3 & Knuckles, then it'd shake out to about 12 zones. I'd love to get something closer to like, 16. Two from each game, six new zones. But hey, "a man can dream."

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I checked around social media and forums where Sega employees/developers regularly post. Taxman, Stealth and Aaron have always been quick to dismiss fake info, not this time. Did not see anything, no denials, and no comments from anyone of any sort, Aaron retweeted a picture of the Sonic Team reuniting earlier today and that's it. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/NaotoOhshima/status/853029606592466944/photo/1

They're staying quiet. I'm leaning more and more on this being real. 

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8 hours ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

Aaron said on that stream that the team wants to make it comparable to the length of the genesis games. If that were to be taken as Sonic 3 & Knuckles, then it'd shake out to about 12 zones. I'd love to get something closer to like, 16. Two from each game, six new zones. But hey, "a man can dream."

I said 14 zones in my post because I counted Hidden Palace and the Doomsday Zone as zones but yeah, 12 seems more like it, MAYBE 12 + 1 Final Super Sonic stage.
Not gonna be sad really, I'm pretty sure this game will spawn a series of sequels if it does well (which I think it will), a "neoclassical" series, probably with all new stages instead of half the game made of old ones revisited, so I'm not gonna be too sad if this game isn't astronomically long (especially with it looking so freaking amazing).

7 hours ago, Zippo said:

I checked around social media and forums where Sega employees/developers regularly post. Taxman, Stealth and Aaron have always been quick to dismiss fake info, not this time. Did not see anything, no denials, and no comments from anyone of any sort, Aaron retweeted a picture of the Sonic Team reuniting earlier today and that's it. 

My hype is going through the roof now, I loved CD's animation and the art style of the leaked animation is just perfect for the game.

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3 minutes ago, FReaK said:

I hope this game features a no save mode. I want to beat it like I beat Sonic 2 23 years ago, when I was 4 freakin years old.

It features a 4:3 ratio mode, there is no way they'd forget a no save mode if they included that to make it feel more like the classics.
I think I'll do my first gameplay with the save feature and then a gameplay with a no save mode.

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8 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

Sonic 3 featuring an international "no save" mode was always so...thought provoking.

 

What is the point? What was the point, then? What's the point, now?

It's for those who like the challenge of clearing the game without relying on loading saves.

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Considering that Sonic 1 & 2 remastered as well as Sonic 3 have a no save mode, I'm sure this game will too. It has knuckles lower jump height, 4:3 ratio, sonic 3 hidden special stages, sonic 3 bonus stages, act transitions, different act music, and probably zone transitions too. This game is going to be so good, and I cannot wait. "Reimagined zones" even though they are called rehashes by people, have tons of interesting ideas, and the fact that we have seen 30 seconds of flying battery and all of the most tame zone makes me believe that they will be very different.

And if this game has Sonic CD intro? It will be the best thing ever 

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11 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

Sonic 3 featuring an international "no save" mode was always so...thought provoking.

 

What is the point? What was the point, then? What's the point, now?

Sonic games are really easy, you can finish them with no problem but in a "no save" mode, you have to get rings and lives as much as possible, cuz you never know when you're going to mess up.

And if your playing Sonic Mania blind, it can add even more challenge, since you don't know where are you going.

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11 minutes ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

...you have to get rings and lives as much as possible, cuz you never know when you're going to mess up.

Ah, I see. You have to do things that are more likely to cause you to mess up in order to make punishment less severe for when actually do mess up. All without a save data clutch.

 

Totally get it.

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1 minute ago, StaticMania said:

Ah, I see. You have to do things that are more likely to cause you to mess up in order to make punishment less severe for when actually do mess up. All without a save data clutch.

 

Totally get it.

... You will end up exploring the stage more.

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It takes it back to its arcade roots, there's not much more to it, really. That said, I enjoy playing through the classics from the first level and avoid getting the Chaos Emeralds each time. I'd be astonished if Mania doesn't have a no-save mode.

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4 minutes ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

... You will end up exploring the stage more.

I think your first answer worked better, it was reasonable. This here isn't true for everyone.

 

How much someone like me explores a stage is entirely dependent on how long I've been playing the game.

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4 minutes ago, StaticMania said:

I think your first answer worked better, it was reasonable. This here isn't true for everyone.

 

How much someone like me explores a stage is entirely dependent on how long I've been playing the game.

...You don't have to if you don't want to. As Blue Blood said, it's a harmless addition.

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Ah yes, the good old days with Sonic 1&2 when you got a game-over and you had to start all over again from the beginning (unless you earned a continue). You youngsters don't know how easy you have it these days :V

Mania will have a no-save mode option 100% guaranteed, along with debug-mode (which Taxman has already hinted at) and time attack mode etc. 

I prefer a saved-mode for the classics because it's a record/proof of your completed playthrough and a save-mode like 3&K or the Sonic 1&2 remasters allows you replay any zone to your hearts content.

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