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Sonic Mania (August 15th 2017, Christian Whitehead, PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch) - The New Classic

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27 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

I don't say everything I don't want is pandering. Bit of a lie there... Also nothing wrong with wanting a new round of designs for a new generation. Just feels like a good evolution to me, at least in the case of Sonic and Eggman in particular.

I want things to continue a steady process of evolution. I consider using most recent designs and building on them evolution whereas something like the Mania sprite for Sonic is not.

Put it this way... Look at Tails and Knuckles, this is another thing that makes the Mania design for Sonic a bit awkward because their designs are built off later looks, Knuckles looks like a proper continuation of his character as it takes his designs from S3&K and Chaotix and merges them together in a very satisfying way. They took too many steps back with Sonic and made the best steps forward with Tails and Knuckles, especially Knuckles.

You called modern Metal Sonic pandering as it's based after the classic design (Regardless of the fact Modern Metal Sonic was redesigned on the same level that Modern Sonic was too) yet you wanted for Mecha Sonic or Neo Metal to replace him, which is another old design that was only meant to be a 1 time story deal. You thought Eggman should be redesigned to look more like a mix of his SatAM design. And now you are trying to say Sonic should have a sprite sheet based after his Sonic 3 design instead of being based after the Sonic 1 look and saying 1 is pandering but not the other.

Your idea of evolution of design is very flawed and ignores the concept what makes designs appealing to start with, with the logic you said that would mean SEGA should only use the Boom designs as they are most new.

And I disagree. All 3 characters match in art style and detail on Sonic Mania.

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3 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Mmm... I can certainly give you that one. That's pretty nicely said and I do agree.

I want to emphasize Sonic Mania is doing a FANTASTIC job of evolution all around save Sonic himself. By and large I consider Sonic the only thing that's trying too hard, going too far back, but everyone and everything else is going forward in such an excellent way I can only applaud it.

Even if they took Sonic 3's sprite and made some "evolved" version of it, I don't think it would match the art style of the stages in Mania. 3 & Knuckles had a very specific style that looked cohesive with Sonic running through the stages with that almost jumbo appearance. If Knuckles had his sprites from 3 unaltered instead of the fusion we have here with Chaotix it would look strange too in my opinion.

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1 minute ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

You called modern Metal Sonic pandering as it's based after the classic design (Regardless of the fact Modern Metal Sonic was redesigned on the same level that Modern Sonic was too) yet you asked for Mecha Sonic or Neo Metal should replace him which is another old design that was only meant to be a 1 time story deal. You thought Eggman should be redesigned to look more like a mix of his SatAM design. And now you are trying to say Sonic should have a sprite sheet based after his Sonic 3 design instead of being based after the Sonic 1 look and saying 1 is pandering but not the other.

Your idea of evolution of design is very flawed and ignores the concept what makes designs appealing to start with, with the logic you said that would mean SEGA should only use the Boom designs as they are most new.

And I disagree. All 3 characters match in art style and detail on Sonic Mania.

Keep in mind Mecha Sonic is still considered the "new" and/or "evolved" version of Metal in the classics, the most recent model, just as Neo Metal is the "new" and/or "evolved" version of Metal in the modern age. Being the latest designs in both cases, it's not a matter of nostalgia but rather a whim to see the latest things focused on rather than the designs that came before them.

I merely think it would be interesting/neat but I wouldn't say maintaining his current Eggman design would be nostalgia based really since, after all, it IS his new/evolved self still for the main canon.

Actually it would be nice to see the main series cast get some sort of BOOM twist to them, not precisely but I wouldn't mind seeing Sonic donning a more "Sonic" kind of scarf, or... Perhaps a backpack to answer the old "where do the rings go" question. BOOM does do a good job at giving Eggman more of a dictator twist, not too much a fan of the 06 vibe his build gives me, but the outfit IS interesting.

I still argue against this. But that's why opinions will always be opinion. Mine, yours, it's how these things work. My words aren't facts and shouldn't be held in that regard, same as yours, etc. We like different flavors is all.

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1 minute ago, Psychicmoose103 said:

I would love to see a frozen launch base! Oil Ocean being turned into a water park would be awesome. It would be cool if Hydrocity was maybe overgrown by plants, so it's kinda like an underwater jungle.

You know what would be really awesome? The Sonic Facebook announcing that the legal issues with the Michael Jackson estate have been solved and that all music from Sonic 3 composed by Michael are now free game for Mania and future releases. And the announcement video is Aaron Webber, Sergio, Taxman, Stealth and the rest of the Mania team dancing to Billie Jean while showing gameplay of a new stage in Mania. Aaron tries to moonwalk and messes up, then says he should focus on the future and walks forward instead saying "Enjoy your future Sonic, it's going to be great!"

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27 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Actually it would be nice to see the main series cast get some sort of BOOM twist to them, not precisely but I wouldn't mind seeing Sonic donning a more "Sonic" kind of scarf, or... Perhaps a backpack to answer the old "where do the rings go" question. BOOM does do a good job at giving Eggman more of a dictator twist, not too much a fan of the 06 vibe his build gives me, but the outfit IS interesting.

In general my opinion is the series doesn't need more redesigns any time soon. I'm perfectly happy with the modern designs for nearly everybody.

I'd say modern Metal Sonic is more or less the most new Sonic robot as he has been upgraded by Eggman multiple times and redesigned little after Sonic Heroes.

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Hey, guys and gals! Can your bodies deal with the fact that Sonic Mania may very well be less than two months away? :o

I'm actually a bit afraid that they'll reveal too much info abut the game next Thursday! I want to be surprised as much as possible while playing the game myself... I'd be satisfied with just a reveal of another returning stage and some text-only bits of info.

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Just now, Ajavalo said:

Hey, guys and gals! Can your bodies deal with the fact that Sonic Mania may very well be less than two months away? :o

I'm actually a bit afraid that they'll reveal too much info abut the game next Thursday! I want to be surprised as much as possible while playing the game myself... I'd be satisfied with just a reveal of another returning stage and some text-only bits of info.

I'm just expecting info on the Sonic 3 content in the game being focused on given recent posts.

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Tax (or was it Stealth..or both) mentioned being interested in remastering Knuckles Chaotix, as well as having their Sonic 3 Remastered project, which was at the very least up and running already. Sooo..

It's a pipedream to be sure, especially when they have a lot on their plate with Mania, but I would love to see a full remastered "classic" collection. Combining their remasters of Sonic, Sonic 2 and Sonic CD, as well as Sonic 3, with potential for extras like Knuckles Chaotix as well as the first ever re-release of Sega Sonic Arcade, hell throw the Gamegear/Master System games on the disc too with some art/ads/music etc akin to Sonic Jam. Release it alongside Mania or with Mania bundled as a ultimate collectors edition. I would throw money at Sega.

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Just now, Tenko said:

Tax (or was it Stealth..or both) mentioned being interested in remastering Knuckles Chaotix, as well as having their Sonic 3 Remastered project, which was at the very least up and running already. Sooo..

It's a pipedream to be sure, especially when they have a lot on their plate with Mania, but I would love to see a full remastered "classic" collection. Combining their remasters of Sonic, Sonic 2 and Sonic CD, as well as Sonic 3, with potential for extras like Knuckles Chaotix as well as the first ever re-release of Sega Sonic Arcade, hell throw the Gamegear/Master System games on the disc too with some art/ads/music etc akin to Sonic Jam. Release it alongside Mania or with Mania bundled as a ultimate collectors edition. I would throw money at Sega.

Maybe the photo with Blue Spheres was taken as a memento of Sonic Mania being finished and in the past (left side) and Taxman has now started on the future, Sonic 3 Remastered (right side) and the Mania sprites are a placeholder because it's using the same engine.

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I believe Blue Spheres is coming back as the Bonus Stages this time, like how you went to Bonus Stages via Goal Posts in S3&K.

We have a new Special Stage in the game yet to be revealed, so it makes sense to have Blue Spheres as a bonus stage for lives and various items.

(Edit)

Or... Maybe the Blue Spheres stages are for the Chaos Emeralds and the new Special Stages are for the new item you collect in the game...?

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I really want to continue avoiding spoilers untill Mania's release, including the ones they'll give us during the upcoming pannel. But I know info on Project 2017 will also be given during the same pannel, WHICH I ALSO REALLY WANT to watch with you guys :(

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1 minute ago, Jango said:

I really want to continue avoiding spoilers untill Mania's release, including the ones they'll give us during the upcoming pannel. But I know info on Project 2017 will also be given during the same pannel, WHICH I ALSO REALLY WANT to watch with you guys :(

The name of the game and a short CGi clip or two combined with like 5 seconds of game play isn't much of a spoiler. lol

(Just expecting this to be how it goes)

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I'm still curious as to whatever this screenshot is showing.

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When I first saw it I thought it was going to be either Mania's special or bonus stage, but the fact that the background appears to still be in Studiopolis, and that all the standard hud elements like the ring counter are present, it looks like a stage gimmick similar to the Casino Night slot machines.

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3 minutes ago, Maxtiis said:

I'm still curious as to whatever this screenshot is showing.

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When I first saw it I thought it was going to be either Mania's special or bonus stage, but the fact that the background appears to still be in Studiopolis, and that all the standard hud elements like the ring counter are present, it looks like a stage gimmick similar to the Casino Night slot machines.

Act 2 of Studiopolis is the best guess.

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I really want to continue avoiding spoilers untill Mania's release, including the ones they'll give us during the upcoming pannel. But I know info on Project 2017 will also be given during the same pannel, WHICH I ALSO REALLY WANT to watch with you guys [emoji20]

The name of the game and a short CGi clip or two combined with like 5 seconds of game play isn't much of a spoiler. lol

(Just expecting this to be how it goes)

 

That's the problem, I actually want Project 17's spoilers, we don't even know the name of the game! I don't want Mania's spoilers :/

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2 minutes ago, Jango said:

 

That's the problem, I actually want Project 17's spoilers, we don't even know the name of the game! I don't want Mania's spoilers :/

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You want one thing spoiled but not the other? Shouldn't spoiler avoidance be all encompassing?

I think that Crash fever is getting to your head dude, you don't make sense. lol

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4 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

You want one thing spoiled but not the other? Shouldn't spoiler avoidance be all encompassing?

No? It depends on how interested you are in a thing and what you expect to be spoiled. We know almost nothing about '17 so it makes sense to want to know more about it, while we know plenty about Mania so it makes sense to want to leave the rest a secret until we play it ourselves.

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3 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

No? It depends on how interested you are in a thing and what you expect to be spoiled. We know almost nothing about '17 so it makes sense to want to know more about it, while we know plenty about Mania so it makes sense to want to leave the rest a secret until we play it ourselves.

Actually when you think about it we don't know anything about either game. The only difference is a name, three stages, and playable characters. lol

We're as blind as a bat both ways in the grand scheme. What we've seen of Mania is equivalent to the Great Plateau, it's a speck.

(Well, if the game really IS going to be large and it's not a bluff)

I'd say a big game is as long as, if not longer than S3&K when combined.

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4 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Actually when you think about it we don't know anything about either game. The only difference is a name, three stages, and playable characters. lol

We're as blind as a bat both ways in the grand scheme. What we've seen of Mania is equivalent to the Great Plateau, it's a speck.

(Well, if the game really IS going to be large and it's not a bluff)

I'd say a big game is as long as, if not longer than S3&K when combined.

Considering what we know of Mania at the moment, we can say for sure that it's going to be like the other Genesis games. It looks like a Classic Sonic game, it's gonna feel like a Classic Sonic game. We don't need to know more because we have no major questions outside of what other remastered levels are in it.

In 2017, we barely know anything. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE ACTUAL NAME!

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No? It depends on how interested you are in a thing and what you expect to be spoiled. We know almost nothing about '17 so it makes sense to want to know more about it, while we know plenty about Mania so it makes sense to want to leave the rest a secret until we play it ourselves.

Actually when you think about it we don't know anything about either game. The only difference is a name, three stages, and playable characters. lol

We're as blind as a bat both ways in the grand scheme. What we've seen of Mania is equivalent to the Great Plateau, it's a speck.

(Well, if the game really IS going to be large and it's not a bluff)

I'd say a big game is as long as, if not longer than S3&K when combined.

 

Which is more than enough info for me to be cool. Sonic Mania will be great, I don't need more stuff to convince me, in fact, I was sold the moment the trailer said: "in association with Christian Whitehead".

 

As for PJ17, we don't even know how it plays...

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33 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Actually when you think about it we don't know anything about either game. The only difference is a name, three stages, and playable characters. lol

We're as blind as a bat both ways in the grand scheme. What we've seen of Mania is equivalent to the Great Plateau, it's a speck.

(Well, if the game really IS going to be large and it's not a bluff)

I'd say a big game is as long as, if not longer than S3&K when combined.

I really don't agree. We've seen enough gameplay trailers (and actual playable demos for some!) of Mania to have a good idea of its overall gameplay and even aesthetic style. Just because we haven't seen every level doesn't mean we don't have a pretty decent idea of how it plays and what we can expect from it. We've seen exactly zero gameplay trailers of Project 2017 and only have speculation as to its overall gameplay style or what to expect from it. It's a HUGE difference.

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What I mean is, in terms of the content in the game, we've been kept at a bare minimum in both cases. Mania has just done a bit more here and there to keep thirsts quenched, but it's doubtable we've seen even a speck of what either game has to offer when you think of just how much there will be in the end to each.

Heck, we don't even know about the Special Stages yet really, so while Mania HAS given more to satisfy, it hasn't been that much still, at least, and especially when, you compare both games to how they USED to reveal stuff about new titles.

By now we'd know everything except maybe about one or two bosses or something. Compared to the past we're walking blind no matter how you look at it. Although that's a good thing to me. Especially after Generations marketing.

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10 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

What I mean is, in terms of the content in the game, we've been kept at a bare minimum in both cases. Mania has just done a bit more here and there to keep thirsts quenched, but it's doubtable we've seen even a speck of what either game has to offer when you think of just how much there will be in the end to each.

Heck, we don't even know about the Special Stages yet really, so while Mania HAS given more to satisfy, it hasn't been that much still, at least, and especially when, you compare both games to how they USED to reveal stuff about new titles.

By now we'd know everything except maybe about one or two bosses or something. Compared to the past we're walking blind no matter how you look at it. Although that's a good thing to me. Especially after Generations marketing.

I think what everyone means is that, for Mania, we know the name, whos working on it, 3 levels, the characters, a boss, music tracks, how its going to play, ect.

For 2017, all we know is that it is made by Sonic Team, is in a ruined place, and has both sonics. We do not know the gameplay, name, or anything like that. I can see where your coming from though.

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