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Sonic Mania (August 15th 2017, Christian Whitehead, PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch) - The New Classic

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So sonic official is streaming and he responded too two of my questions!

What do you think about flying battery - he likes it!

whos your favorite hard boiled heavy - heavy big the cat

he knew what I was going for on the second one haha. Heavy big the cat comfirmed!

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They've been pretty clear the only returning stages will be from Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic CD. They could do call backs and allusions within zones, but you probably shouldn't expect a Chaotix or Triple Trouble stage to show up.

Also I'll never get the love for bridge zone. One of those acts was an auto-scroller for chrissake, doesn't get more anti-Sonic than that.

edit: Remember that we also saw a sneak peek of the Sonic 3 special stage too, and we were told that's NOT Mania's special stage. Though if it is true and Sonic 2's half pipes are back, then that's another check in my "officially worried about Sonic Mania" column.

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I feel his vagueness says a lot.  We KNOW they wouldn't just recreate the Sonic 2 pipe exactly, at least not for a main special stage (maybe a bonus stage, like how S&K lifted the rotating maze concept from Sonic 1?).

Like the fact that he wasn't clear cut suggests a level of interest in Sonic where he wouldn't appreciate subtle differences - like, if Mania's special stage was that of Sonic 3D Blast Saturn, or Sonic Rush, or Sonic Colours, hell maybe even Sonic Heroes/Generations, he'd use the same "You know Sonic 2... where Sonic's in the pipe?" description.

Nothing to freak out over yet.

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15 minutes ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

They've been pretty clear the only returning stages will be from Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic CD. They could do call backs and allusions within zones, but you probably shouldn't expect a Chaotix or Triple Trouble stage to show up.

Also I'll never get the love for bridge zone. One of those acts was an auto-scroller for chrissake, doesn't get more anti-Sonic than that.

Yes!  I understand your perspective, gameplay wise Bridge zone really is more suited to an 8 bit system.  I will offer you a bit of insight at least as to why i love it and why other people may like it!

For many of us who were not able to play the game when it originally was released, and perhaps downloaded a rom without knowing that this zone existed beforehand, to go from Green Hill to this spacious mountain river paradise, complete with music that matched how mesmerizing it is, becomes a lasting memory!  The visual atmosphere for many people just feels somehow unmatched, they brought so much to life with as limited graphical, gameplay and sound resources as possible basically! ^_^^_^ 

 

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6 minutes ago, VEDJ-F said:

Thing is I don't think those who don't like the half-pipe would care if it was so vague that things like Rush, Heroes, Saturn 3D Blast etc could be described like that, they don't like them either for the most part. 

 

Personally, I really dislike all the half-pipe special stages, across the whole franchise. But to be fair, I could also count the number of special stages I actually like on one hand. Blue Spheres is my absolute favorite, though. To the point where I would play the hidden Blue Spheres mode for fun back in the day, and you couldn't get me that enthused about any other Sonic special stage.

Really, I hope the Mania team makes something completely original for the special stages. I want to see what they can do with that. Repackaging the Sonic 1-3+CD special stages as bonus stages with some modifications on how they play would be AOK with me. Or just shove them in as a bonus Special Stage mode played separate from the core game.

In fact, man, give me HD Blue Spheres, plz and thank u

Just now, expansivelovestories said:

Regarding this special stage rumor, the most recent builds being shown at PAX east still did not have working special stage rings.  Where would this someone have played a different build?  :unsure: 

Probably a behind-closed-doors preview. Nick from Polygon was shown a more current build of GHZ Act 2 at some point prior to PAX, since he mentioned the music was in fact different. I imagine they have three builds right now: the public preview build with Studiopolis Act 1 and Green Hill Act 1, a semi-public build to showcase Studiopolis Act 1, Green Hill Zone Act 1 and 2, and Mirage Saloon Act 2, and finally a media build that has Studiopolis with the mid-boss, updated Green Hill Act 2 music, and functional special stages.

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I think Bridge zone nostalgia really does mostly come down to the music, but that's true for a lot of zones.  It does kind of epitomise Sonic 1 8-bit as it's the second stage, everyone reached it, but it's the first that's different to

2 minutes ago, VEDJ-F said:

Thing is I don't think those who don't like the half-pipe would care if it was so vague that things like Rush, Heroes, Saturn 3D Blast etc could be described like that, they don't like them either for the most part. 

Well tbf if someone doesn't like the Sonic Colours special stages they don't deserve happiness so.

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Half pipe again, nooooooo D:

Why not one like CD's? Of all Special Stages... UNLESS. Each Special Stage/Chaos Emerald has a different mini-game...?! Like, the first one (usually the Blue Chaos Emerald), is Sonic 1's Special Stage, the second one is Sonic 2's Special Stage and so on.

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10 minutes ago, Jango said:

Half pipe again, nooooooo D:

Why not one like CD's? Of all Special Stages... UNLESS. Each Special Stage/Chaos Emerald has a different mini-game...?! Like, the first one (usually the Blue Chaos Emerald), is Sonic 1's Special Stage, the second one is Sonic 2's Special Stage and so on.

While it's a cute idea, it'd be hard to scale difficulty for special stages where the rules are different every time, unless they increased the number of mcguffins in some capacity (like how S3&K combined has 14 stages).  Which... would make sense for a game of the same size or bigger, especially if special stage rings are all over the place as they seem to be.  But I also don't want it to be a case where if you find a lot of special stage rings you end up spending more time in special stages than out of them.

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Please anything but Sonic 2's, Dear God please anything but Sonic 2's special stages.

I'd prefer something original, but I'd also love Sonic 1's or Blue Spheres.

What they could do is mix them all together.

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They could feature all the past special stages in Mania, with each one simply tied to their method of access in their respective games. Sonic 1's being end-goal "50 rings" rings, Sonic 2's being checkpoint rings, and Sonic 3&K's being the gold rings throughout the stage.

Would be sort of a letdown compared to getting a new special stage altogether, but better that than sticking with just one of the originals I guess... Though to be fair, I have yet to see an actually good idea for a special stage in a fan game, tbh...

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11 minutes ago, Gemster312 said:

In response to the "special stage is sonic 2 half-pipe" video.

Yall can chill now :)

taxmandaddy.PNG

Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, let the earth hear his voice!

Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, let the people rejoice!

(Seriously tho, strongly disliking Sonic 2 special stages + really looking forward to a brand new special stage = one unhappy MDS)

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Thank fuck.

Edit: Guess this means either the guy doesn't know what he saw, or this is some kind of bonus stage. Either way I still think there's probably three builds going around. Nick was pretty clear about hearing a different track for Green Hill, and it's not unlikely that the one we've seen was part of the Mirage Saloon build, but they weren't wanting to show it yet.

Double Edit: Stealth cleared up on Sonic Retro that the guy in the Easy Allies video doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. He confirmed that there's no Mania demo which showcases special stages or bonus stages. So that's that, I guess.

I wonder if the guy in that video played the Sonic 2 remaster and got profoundly confused.

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1 hour ago, molul said:

It would be nice to ask Taxman if they're taking S3 and S&K separately or as one game for the reimagined zones count.

Taxman confirmed a while back (think it was on NeoGaf) that there will be a zone from Sonic 3 and S&K.

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9 hours ago, Soni said:

@TimmiT just posted a link of a podcast where a guy saw Mania's special stages

and the only Special Stages the guy saw, were Sonic 2's.

And here comes the loud groans!

Taxman said we have not seen Sonic Mania special stages I'm pretty sure. All demos have not had the special rings filled in. And Taxman did confirm at least 1 stage from 3 and Knuckles, but I'm sure there is probably gonna be 2 from each game.

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1 hour ago, Psychicmoose103 said:

Taxman said we have not seen Sonic Mania special stages I'm pretty sure. All demos have not had the special rings filled in. And Taxman did confirm at least 1 stage from 3 and Knuckles, but I'm sure there is probably gonna be 2 from each game.

'Probably' based on what? If they do that, they would need to have two zones from CD to match the pattern, meaning a whopping 10 reimagined zones. Now that could happen (and I sure hope it does!), but 'probably'? No. Probably not.

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