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Sonic Mania (August 15th 2017, Christian Whitehead, PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch) - The New Classic

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20 hours ago, Maxtiis said:

Probably because we haven't proven we can actually make a game outside of conceptual ideas. Even if we had the talent it's not like we could wholly agree on what to put in a game.

LOL That's true I suppose. Pretty soon it would start to look like the tables at the UN meetings

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There really is no sensible choice outside of White Park, but honestly it'd rub so many people the wrong way lol.  Also it'd imply that Sonic 4 takes place before Mania,  those who are still adamant that Classic Sonic grew up into Modern Sonic and they aren't just art styles would have their heads blown wide open trying to figure that one out.

Though Sky Fortress would be okay too if only because it's music is so way better than Wing Fortress, which like, I get what they were going for, it's intimidating and all, but it's just not as enjoyable as the pop music slant all the other songs have.

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On 03/24/2017 at 4:17 PM, Maxtiis said:

So what are you guys doing to cope with the wait for Sonic Mania? I went out and got this in the meantime:

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I know you can get the rom free over at Sonic Retro but it feels so good being able to play this on an actual Genesis. Speaking of which I still need to get a usb adapter for a Genesis controller for when Mania comes out.

Playing mass effect. Breath of the wild. And trying to platinum nioh before Mario kart and splatoon.

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Here's an idea...

What if, after the credits, you can get a "Perfect End" for the game after beating the true final boss.

A little clip showing Classic Sonic, Classic Tails and Classic Knuckles posing together on top of the defeated Classic Eggman, only to have a new sprite for Modern Eggman in his Egg Mobile drop down and snatch his Classic self out from under their feet and rocket off.

Followed by a new sprite for Modern Sonic running past from the left side of the screen, waving for the Classic Trio to follow off the right side of the screen.

Ending with a "See You Next Game!" logo to tie Mania into Forces.

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Just now, Monkey Destruction Switch said:

Nah, that would feel too much like a kick in the teeth to people who aren't big fans of the modern series. Sonic Mania is meant to appeal to all fans of the classic Sonic games, including people who like modern too, but most definitely also including people who are disappointed with or never got on board with later games. Even as someone who likes modern Sonic too, I would be more interested in a "See You Next Game!" that teased an upcoming "new classic" game. Trying to tie it into Forces when there's little connection between the two games other than the release date, and they certainly aren't likely to be close to each other chronologically, seems strange and pointless. The meaning will be completely lost to anyone who plays the game years down the road. Without the explicit connection to Forces, it could just be seen as introducing modern Sonic in general, but again, I don't think that would be enjoyable for everyone.

Well...

Remember... Generations began when Classic Sonic was apparently first beginning his Green Hill trek...

Yet Classic Tails appeared and he and Classic Sonic knew one another completely...

So...

Know what? I don't even know where I'm going with this or why I said it. Maybe somewhere deep down I always wanted to point this out and somehow found your statement a means of doing so.

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36 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Here's an idea...

What if, after the credits, you can get a "Perfect End" for the game after beating the true final boss.

A little clip showing Classic Sonic, Classic Tails and Classic Knuckles posing together on top of the defeated Classic Eggman, only to have a new sprite for Modern Eggman in his Egg Mobile drop down and snatch his Classic self out from under their feet and rocket off.

Followed by a new sprite for Modern Sonic running past from the left side of the screen, waving for the Classic Trio to follow off the right side of the screen.

Ending with a "See You Next Game!" logo to tie Mania into Forces.

Well now, this would be a good way to piss-off classic fans who don't want Modern characters associated what-so-ever with the original 2d classic titles which Mania is the successor to. Modern characters have no relevance to classic Sonic games (forget Gens, which was just a one-off anniversary celebration).

I'm all for the idea of Mania's ending teasing a future 2d game which would only be likely if Sonic Team have already commissioned a "Mania 2" which I seriously doubt at this early stage.

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Know what? I don't even know where I'm going with this or why I said it. Maybe somewhere deep down I always wanted to point this out and somehow found your statement a means of doing so.

So yeah, not a good idea.

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4 minutes ago, TailsBot said:

Well now, this would be a good way to piss-off classic fans who don't want Modern characters associated what-so-ever with the original 2d classic titles which Mania is the success to. Modern characters have no relevance to classic Sonic games (forget get Gens, which was just a one-off anniversary celebration).

I'm all for the idea of Mania's ending teasing a future 2d game (whilst very unlikely unless Sonic Team have already commissioned a "Mania 2" which also unlikely, at least at this early stage.

So yeah, not a good idea.

Well then, pardon me I suppose.

(coughgettingasequelthisyearcough)

I highly doubt Sonic Team has that power. SEGA of Japan and/or SEGA of America are the ones with the power for that call, and after the end results of both games, it's pretty much a no-brainer Mania and its pretty-much-certain-but-still-not-100% sequels is going to be the thing that carries the franchise for a good LONG while.

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3 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

it's pretty much a no-brainer Mania and its pretty-much-certain-but-still-not-100% sequels is going to be the thing that carries the franchise for a good LONG while.

There's no guarantee what-so-ever Mania will lead to more 2d classic games. Mania is a one-off celebration of 90's classic Sonic, nothing more. This is how Sonic Team/SEGA will see it. Yes, in a dream world getting sequels; Mania 2 & 3 would be lovely, but realistically Mania could well be our last-ever true 2d classic game. Lets hope it's a damn good one!

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Just now, TailsBot said:

There's no guarantee what-so-ever Mania will lead to more 2d classic games. Mania is a one-off celebration of 90's classic Sonic, nothing more. This is how Sonic Team/SEGA will see it. Yes, in a dream world getting sequels; Mania 2 & 3 would be lovely, but realistically Mania could well be our last-ever true 2d classic game. Lets hope it's a damn good one!

Hasn't it been pushed that Mania is just the first in a series to come? Look at the initial reveal trailer.

Trust me, it's pretty certain more will come. Not 100% as I said, but pretty certain.

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14 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Hasn't it been pushed that Mania is just the first in a series to come? Look at the initial reveal trailer.

Trust me, it's pretty certain more will come. Not 100% as I said, but pretty certain.

I've watched the reveal trailer many many times. It reveals a "brand new 2d adventure". At no stage does it imply the start of a new series of 2d titles.

Sorry Chris, I can't trust you because - enthusiasm aside - you're completely wrong. 

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When someone asked about Fang appearing in Sonic Mania (at SXSW), they responded by saying something along the lines of Sonic Mania only being able to encompass so much as a "return to the classics" title, but "it's always possible in a future title". I can't pull the exact quote right now (on my phone), but it definately sounded like they were planning for more than just Sonic Mania being a lone title.

Imagine if Sonic Mania wasn't just an "anniversary game". It was an "anniversary REBOOT".

 

EDIT: Looked back at a previous post i made where i quoted the stream:

"they might appear in FUTURE CLASSIC SONIC GAMES"

-Referring to Fang's appearance. Sounds to me like they probably have plans.

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16 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Trust me, it's pretty certain more will come. Not 100% as I said, but pretty certain.

Rule of thumb: nothing's guaranteed 'til the sales figures roll in

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12 minutes ago, TailsBot said:

I've watched the reveal trailer many many times. It reveals a "brand new 2d adventure". At no stage does it imply the start of a new series of 2d titles.

Sorry Chris, I can't trust you because - enthusiasm aside - you're completely wrong. 

"As we move forward"

"We're going back"

"THIS IS WHERE IT BEGINS"

I'm gonna laugh when we get more...

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I also think mania is just the beginning of a new classic sonic sub franchise, I mean just look at the sales of the Collectors Edition - most of them are completely sold out. If this is any indicator of future sales then mania is going to be amazing for sega.

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It'll all depend on Mania's sales and reception, plus Sega's own somewhat idiosyncratic inclinations, but theoretically the sky's the limit.  I don't necessarily think Mania's success would guarantee that any successor titles would retain the classics' visual style, though; there might be pressure to go full HD or even take a New Super Mario Bros. approach to the graphics (i.e. Sonic 4 but good).

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16 minutes ago, FFWF said:

It'll all depend on Mania's sales and reception, plus Sega's own somewhat idiosyncratic inclinations, but theoretically the sky's the limit.  I don't necessarily think Mania's success would guarantee that any successor titles would retain the classics' visual style, though; there might be pressure to go full HD or even take a New Super Mario Bros. approach to the graphics (i.e. Sonic 4 but good).

It also depends on Forces, and given reception of that game so far, and reception of Mania combined, it makes me all the more certain Mania is the start of the future, which I have NO complaints about whatsoever.

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5 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

It also depends on Forces, and given reception of that game so far, and reception of Mania combined, it makes me all the more certain Mania is the start of the future, which I have NO complaints about whatsoever.

Oy vey,  not this competition shtick again,  please. 

And are you assuming that Forces' reception is actively BAD en masse again?

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1 hour ago, TailsBot said:

There's no guarantee what-so-ever Mania will lead to more 2d classic games. Mania is a one-off celebration of 90's classic Sonic, nothing more. This is how Sonic Team/SEGA will see it. 

Is there a source for this? This is news to me. I have heard nothing of the sort. I even have it on good authority that Stealth said that he would be more than happy to make a Sonic Mania sequel.

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1 minute ago, Jovahexeon Joranvexeon said:

Oy vey,  not this competition shtick again,  please. 

And are you assuming that Forces' reception is actively BAD en masse again?

Presently it can be argued so, but granted the future could change. We'll see.

But for now...

Mania = Good

Forces = Watch Out Samurai Jack

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3 hours ago, Jovahexeon Joranvexeon said:

Oy vey,  not this competition shtick again,  please. 

And are you assuming that Forces' reception is actively BAD en masse again?

It's even funnier because the reception is based off of 40 seconds of incredibly basic footage. 

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5 minutes ago, Jovahexeon Joranvexeon said:

So,  overwhelmingly positive is your take?

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Okay.....

Don't you think that's a sketchy attempt at egging something on?

Anyhow, guess it's good for Mania no matter what. Even if Forces does have a hard time this year and potentially delivers a Lost World Round 2 scenario on us with its performance in the market/critics, we've still got Mania.

Something that I fail to see is what they could possibly have left to improve in Mania that would need such a delay, asides maybe that weird corkscrew thing that happens and a few clipping instances, but shouldn't that be repairable even with the former release date?

Plus, the closer they push the game to Forces launch, the more Forces will be overshadowed I feel when combined with the other games coming out during the holiday timetable.

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