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Sonic Mania (August 15th 2017, Christian Whitehead, PS4, Xbox One, PC, Switch) - The New Classic

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2 minutes ago, Blue Blood said:

I've always imagined that Whitehead, Thomley and everyone else working on Mania aren't a bunch of cocks and have a great deal of respect both Iizuka and SEGA at large. You know, the people responsible inspiring them to pursue their dream jobs and eventually giving it to them. But that's just me...

Correction.

Iizuka and SEGA inspired them to make BETTER games than they themselves were releasing, which is the cause of many fan projects nowadays.

And now Whitehead and team are kicking arse within the company and is showing how things are done. Iizuka is nothing more than the grandpa waving his cane thinking this and that is right. He's like the Cranky Kong of SEGA in my opinion.

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24 minutes ago, VEDJ-F said:

So yeah...this was spurred because Iizuka thought there were enough 2D ports already when the American side pitched that idea to him. Interesting. 

On one hand he's definitely dancing around the fact(?) that legal issues are in the way of porting Sonic 3, but even with that in mind I can't say I disagree. Remasters are great and all, but I'd rather get stuff like Mania, and it's not as if this game being made is what's getting in the way of it, so eh.

Definitely raises hopes that there's going to be more games in this vein, though I guess that partially depends on how well it does.

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Then he proposed an idea of mixing new stages and remakes from the past to please the mania, which was accepted with great positiveness.

This stood out to me, because you could read that and it basically describes Sonic 4 and Generations (to an extent.) Seems like they've been hung up on this concept for a while now, but finally leaned hard enough into it that it's having the impact they wanted. Generations did well too, of course, but Mania certainly satisfies the itch for more classic games in a way it didn't quite manage to.

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So has anyone on this board or Sonic Retro's reached out to Max Collins for comment on that animation of his? When I found it I assumed it was just a WIP fan animation but you guys have convinced me that I stumbled across something a bit more important than I'd initially thought, so I'd like to hear what he has to say about it. If he declines to comment that's fine, but if he says he can't, I'd say that speaks volumes.

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Considering what I just saw on Twitter, damage control is being done, the artist is asking people to remove the image and GIF file from news posts etc and the initial upload of the image was indeed a mistake which they want to stop from spreading.

Sadly I think it's a bit too late to stop the spread now. Suprise partially ruined, but regardless of how we all and up finding out it's still going to be fantastic news when it "officially" hits.

Edit : I would post the messages from him asking for it to be taken down but I don't know if it breaks any kind of privacy rules etc on the forum. If not I'll post an image or link to the post if moderators etc are interested.

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10 minutes ago, Tenko said:

Considering what I just saw on Twitter, damage control is being done, the artist is asking people to remove the image and GIF file from news posts etc and the initial upload of the image was indeed a mistake which they want to stop from spreading.

Sadly I think it's a bit too late to stop the spread now. Suprise partially ruined, but regardless of how we all and up finding out it's still going to be fantastic news when it "officially" hits.

Edit : I would post the messages from him asking for it to be taken down but I don't know if it breaks any kind of privacy rules etc on the forum. If not I'll post an image or link to the post if moderators etc are interested.

The thing is that I'm worried that this could affect him someway.

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2 minutes ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

The thing is that I'm worried that this could affect him someway.

Mmm...

The only thing I'm worried about is SEGA saying "Well, they found out. Lets take it out of the game!" as a punishment instead.

That's what happened to the story mode being absent from Smash U isn't it? I heard the leaks were a big reason at least.

Worse case scenario we get the leak and lose the content in the grand scheme.

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2 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Mmm...

The only thing I'm worried about is SEGA saying "Well, they found out. Lets take it out of the game!" as a punishment instead.

That's what happened to the story mode being absent from Smash U isn't it? I heard the leaks were a big reason at least.

Worse case scenario we get the leak and lose the content in the grand scheme.

That would be awful.

For both the fans and the artist.

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3 minutes ago, Chris Knopps said:

Mmm...

The only thing I'm worried about is SEGA saying "Well, they found out. Lets take it out of the game!" as a punishment instead.

 

That's a weird conclusion to reach. It'd be a bit silly to yank something that has a lot of positive feedback from a title that is nearing the end of development, presumably after money has been spent to commission the animation. It's doubtful anything would be pulled.

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1 minute ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

That's a weird conclusion to reach. It'd be a bit silly to yank something that has a lot of positive feedback from a title that is nearing the end of development, presumably after money has been spent to commission the animation. It's doubtful anything would be pulled.

Eh, it's many because the animation seems like it could still be at an early enough stage to boot out.

Though granted it's highly unlikely that was just a wore case scenario thing

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2 minutes ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

I'd say the worst case scenario is the artist loses their job.

Really I think what you need to keep in mind is that SEGA isn't Nintendo. Those companies have conducted business completely differently from one another for decades. Nintendo is all about shutting shit down and subverting expectations. SEGA, meanwhile, is totally fine with fan games, ROM hacks being thrown up on the Steam workshop, and all other manners of IP fuckery that would normally spook other publishers. Assuming this is something that would commissioned for the game, the only way I see it not making the cut is because of time or budget constraints, and even then it seems like the Mania team is being given plenty of both.

Funny thing about all this is the artists reaction helps legitimize speculation. If they and SEGA wanted to keep it under wraps, their best option would have been to not say a thing about it.

Yeah, maybe the artist could lose something after all is done... 
I don't know, maybe nothing bad will happen.

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2 minutes ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

Yeah, maybe the artist could lose something after all is done... 

Honestly I hesitated to even write that, because I don't think it's fair to the artist or their employer to make assumptions about how they would handle things like this. I mostly wanted to stress that, hypothetically speaking, there are worse outcomes than us losing some cartoons in our viddy game.

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3 minutes ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

Yeah, maybe the artist could lose something after all is done... 

I dunno, after all the leaks we've gotten in the past, I doubt the guy is going to get into any sort of real trouble. A pat on the hand maybe, but beyond that I'd say the artist is in the clear.

Now if MORE things pop out, then... Maybe it could get a bit heated... But for now I'd say he's in the green, maybe the yellow, but likely green.

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Well shit, the way all this sounds I'm feeling pretty guilty about it. I would never have shared it if I knew it would cause Max Collins trouble, but in my defense I didn't know he was part of a professional animation studio. I came across it on happenstance and just thought it was a fan project that he ended up not being satisfied with so he removed it.

Oh well, if I didn't share it someone else would have found it first. What goes on the internet, stays on the internet. I'll just take solace in the fact I found something that made the community happy to make up for the disappointment a lot of you have had in regards to Sonic Forces. And I highly doubt that Sega would force it to be removed from the game just because we saw it first. They already spent money on it after all and it wasn't even complete.

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9 minutes ago, CleverSonicUsername said:

Honestly I hesitated to even write that, because I don't think it's fair to the artist or their employer to make assumptions about how they would handle things like this. I mostly wanted to stress that, hypothetically speaking, there are worse outcomes than us losing some cartoons in our viddy game.

That's definitely right.

I couldn't care less for the animated intro if someone gets in trouble.

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So that means CD cutscenes are basically comfirmed.

I really hope nothing bad happens to the artist. The animation was really nice, and everyone makes mistakes. Maybe the best choice would have not been trying to get it off the internet, as it just brings more attention and further proves the rumor. 

18 minutes ago, Maxtiis said:

Well shit, the way all this sounds I'm feeling pretty guilty about it. I would never have shared it if I knew it would cause Max Collins trouble, but in my defense I didn't know he was part of a professional animation studio. I came across it on happenstance and just thought it was a fan project that he ended up not being satisfied with so he removed it.

Oh well, if I didn't share it someone else would have found it first. What goes on the internet, stays on the internet. I'll just take solace in the fact I found something that made the community happy to make up for the disappointment a lot of you have had in regards to Sonic Forces. And I highly doubt that Sega would force it to be removed from the game just because we saw it first. They already spent money on it after all and it wasn't even complete.

Hey man, don't feel bad about it. It's not like you could have known ahead of time. As for the artist, everyone makes mistakes. Although I hope he doesn't loose his job or anything like that, as he seems to have great talent. I doubt anything bad will happen though.

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