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I agree, but still, I'm scared if the lengh of this game will be Sonic 4 like ^^" Nah...

I know it isn't since CW mocked Sonic 4 for being short!

The game is going to be great or a masterpiece. Unless something horrible happens.

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Sonic 4 was terrible. But worst of all, it made people lose faith in Classic Sonic, so we got landed with more rubbish 3D.

At least we have someone competent doing it now. I can't imagine how horrible it would be for the 3D path to continue and get another rubbish Adventure game.

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15 minutes ago, Pixel said:

Sonic 4 was terrible. But worst of all, it made people lose faith in Classic Sonic, so we got landed with more rubbish 3D.

At least we have someone competent doing it now. I can't imagine how horrible it would be for the 3D path to continue and get another rubbish Adventure game.

I wouldn't say terrible, uninspired is the word. Like every Mario game since Galaxy *runs away*

I disagree with your opinion on 3D Sonic, but is your opinion. And we still have Project '17! Which we don't know anything about.

I hope Mania has more original ideas for levels. Studiopolis is a really good sign.

And I wonder if the Green Hill theme is also the tamest remix of the game.... I would love Tee Lopes just copied and pasted his 2009 Hydrocity remix. If Hydrocity isn't in this game I will get really salty.

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Well, I think Sonic '17 looks like the same old nonsense edgy 3D shit. But yeah, I'm happy to get Sonic Mania so I'm not complaining!

Another true Sonic game!

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Umm... Pixel, you are aware that the Adventure formula has been dead since 2008, right? The closest we've got to an Adventure formula title in recent years is Rise of Lyric, and that's still pretty distant from the format established by SA1 and SA2, not to mention that its been implicitly retconned and was only a spinoff in the first place. In regards to 3D Sonic nowadays, complaining about Boost and Parkour is where its at. :P

And how do you know that Sonic 2017 is going to be same old nonsense edgy stuff? (Especially since mainline Sonic hasn't actually tried to be edgy since 2008)

Sonic 4, despite being ok on its own, was a pretty terrible successor to Sonic 3-- which admittedly is a difficult act to follow but it still should have been better. But I feel that's ultimately irrelevant to Sonic Mania because despite sharing a similar concept, Mania is leagues away from and above 4 in almost every category.

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I can tell Sonic '17 will be edgy by the stupid trailer and it's 'ow edge' atmosphere. And as for Adventure, I was worried they would go back to it, as it should just stay dead because it was always terrible.

I'd love for Sonic '17 to be good and actually resemble a real Sonic game, but my expectations are very very low!

Sonic 4 was just fucking atrocious, a technical mess, and it almost killed the series for good. Generations was ok, even though the Boost is a terrible mechanic. Generations' Classic Sonic had terrible broken physics, but at least it was a step up from anything before it.

I don't want to piss of 3D fans, I'm just expressing my disdain for the 3D titles. They suck. If someone thinks Classic Sonic sucks, cool. I won't get offended, it's just opinions.

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I personally had some fun with both episodes of Sonic 4.

I won't pretend I was very disappointed knowing that the game was supposed to be the sequel game to 3 & Knuckles, you know the best Sonic game ever? But despite that, in it's own it's an alright game. Had more fun with Episode II then I. I mean, the fact that each act of a zone had something that made it unique was a nice design choice imo but yeah, this is Mania. Not the Sonic 4 thread, we have plenty of those in the past.

Still gonna repeat what I've said many times before, Mania is going to be a really good game; no doubt about it. StealthTax and PagodaWest have plenty of experience making games of the Classic era in the past, Tee Lopes is an amazing composer so without a doubt we'll hear many more awesome musical gems like Studiopolis. Mania is without a doubt the biggest passion project in gaming ever and I do wish it's a big success, critically and financially. Because if that's the case, then it will convince SEGA to make a series of Mania-styled games and who knows what they'll add in possible future installments? More playable characters like Amy? New mechanics? The possibilities are never ending, my people!

So yeah, Mania is a cool game.

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I'm most interested to see how they remix the stages. The team are incredibly talent. It's going to be exciting to see how they reimagine the classic levels.

I'm hoping for Lava Reef, some remix of that chase scene would be really cool!

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Meh, I will keep this discussion. If I get too out of topic the staff will let me know ;)

I think Sonic '17 will be the same lighthearted experience as Sonic Unleashed but with higher stakes feel this time. What the new games needed I tell you! PLEASE BE IAN THE WRITER PLEASEEEE

... I'm sorry.

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What Sonic '17 needs is no plot :p . Sonic games and plot are disastrous. At the most, a silent plot. Sonic and talking is a big no no and cringe for everyone involved.

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But how are you defining "ow edge"? Besides, we don't know much about the game-- I could easily take a picture of Crisis City from Sonic Generations or Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors out of context and claim that those games are edgy BS, even though anybody who's actually had some experience with those games could clearly see that's wrong. While I agree that a lot of Sonic plots are terrible, I don't think that's because Sonic Team puts too much plot but rather because it tends to handle its plots poorly. The potential is there for a good Sonic plot, and I don't think every one now and in the future should be dismissed because some happen to suck.

But I can guarantee you that, like it or not, it is going to resemble a real Sonic game, because its an officially licensed Sonic the Hedgehog product by Sega.

I recall Sonic 4's physics needing serious work, but besides that, it didn't really have a lot of technical issues. Even then, the physics are manageable and the game didn't even come close to killing the franchise (in fact, people then were inclined to point to Colors and claim that Colors saved Sonic from the horrors inflicted by Sonic 06, so you could say that 2010 was overall a really good year for Sonic). And do explain how Gens's classic physics are "broken"-- inaccurate is one thing, but when I think broken, I tend to think more "Sonic can jump over dash panels and stand on the top of the inside of a loopdeloop in defiance of gravity".

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3 minutes ago, Mad Convoy said:

And how do you know that Sonic 2017 is going to be same old nonsense edgy stuff?

The trailer, I'd guess.

Honestly, and at the risk of going off topic, I think a fair argument could be made against there being some "great" 3D Sonics. I'd say even the best 3D games the series has put out have some pretty severe flaws and fall far behind the series' best 2D games. That's one of the reasons I hope Mania is a success, so maybe Sonic Team wakes up and takes some hints from it, rather than stumbling from one disastrous impulse to another.

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Eh, Sonic '17 isn't really for me. They can do what they want with it. I'll probably think it sucks, but at least I'll have Mania. At least SEGA is actually marketing both parts of the fandom.

I can't really complain. The whole apocalypse and edginess makes me cringe, but it's not really aimed at me. So yeah, it's not really a big deal, I have Mania.

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2 minutes ago, Mad Convoy said:

I could easily take a picture of Crisis City from Sonic Generations or Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors out of context

I mean, that's the thing, you are taking them out of their context. A trailer isn't supposed to need outside context, it is supposed to set its own tone.

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I mean it is not unreasonable to think the game itself may be dark when the trailer takes it self serious and the burning city suggest that it's story is going to be serious. I'm someone who likes that stuff but I see why people think this way and it is not unreasonable. 

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The main reason I'm cautious with the serious factor is how majorly the series has previously fucked it up. I know people have already said this, but the first thing I thought when I saw the trailer was Crisis City and all the embarrassment and cringe of Sonic 06.

It's not great, especially when Mania's trailer was fucking perfect.

And let's not forget '17's tagline 'Join the Resistance' (dear God).

But yeah, Mania is hype xD

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Well, yeah, it does convey that the stakes are going to be more serious, but edgy? I'm not seeing it. Seriousness is not edginess-- there is a difference. More specifically, a more serious game is one that uses higher stakes and more drama-- an edgy game tries to push the limits of what most stories in its medium try to tell or what most people consider acceptable for a drama, comedy, etc.

The points about Asteroid Coaster and Crisis City were pointing out that we don't know what the other levels are going to be like, or how the game is going to execute its plot, since what you two are doing is basically claiming to know exactly what a game is going to be like based on one level and some speculation. 

I think we should move this discussion to Sonic 2017's topic.

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I'm sure we won't get other Sonic 06 or... or...

Shadow The Hedgehog. I hate that game soooo much.

 

The tone is darker, Eggman (?) is killing hundreds of people and Sonic is serious about this whole thing. But to thing how many animals got killed when Eggman burned Angel Island! But is not obvious...

 

Is not in your face like Maria's death in Shadow The Hedgehog opposed to SA2.

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If Eggman is committing genocide against the animals and Sonic has to be an animal resistant fighter, I think I will die of cringe. I seriously hope that doesn't happen xD

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We literally know nothing about Sonic 2017, but we do know a good amount of stuff about Sonic Mania.

How about we get back to Sonic Mania. Sonic Mania will probably have some story. If Knuckles is going to fight Sonic again, I wonder what his motive will be. 

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