Sonic Forces | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC "The Next Generations"

[Meta77]

1 minute ago, Mayor D said:

This is not a serious question is it?

No the reason is was made was because they wanted to attract what Sonic Team believed was an older audience who was into Call of Duty/Battlefield/First Person Shooter audience in which Iizuka went on record to state. 

Just how does anyone get into this series with this mindset?

I got into the series by being born in 1989 and literally growing up with with the series, it being the one series my family had always supported me buying and playing through the years and eventually as I got older I still love my blue friend but at the same time enjoy darker elements of shows

Hell I mean  sonic is a pretty dark series in some elements as discussed in the whos killed the most thread.

Chaos flooding a entire city and killing countless people you know off screen could not have escaped

The elispe canon firing, Eggmans world splitter, metal sonic kai, the ova with metal destroying several cities.

[Badnik Mechanic]

Just now, Meta77 said:

Hell I mean  sonic is a pretty dark series in some elements as discussed in the whos killed the most thread.

It's really not.

And nobody is really taking anything too seriously in that thread.

[Tracker_TD]

4 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

Hell I mean  sonic is a pretty dark series

I have waited so long to use that image again.

Sonic is absolutely not a dark series. And if history is to go by, when it tries to be it looks downright dumb.

[JezMM]

I still think the comparisons of the tone of this trailer to 2006/Shadow are completely nuts but oh well.  At the very most this is comparable to 2006's intro once Sonic shows up, INCLUDING an appreciation for the moment where Sonic comically taps a robot off with his foot, lightening the mood.

 

Like, I know people are scrabbling for examples of darkness in the classic games but nobody really says Sonic Adventure 1 was too dark and that game - canonically - had a echidnas beating up defenseless chao, an implied masscare of an entire tribe, and an entire city being levelled for the finale (though no-one was hurt because family game etc).

I am very much getting vibes of that lattermost situation from this trailer.  I think without further evidence it is VERY overdramatic to assume the franchise is going back to gun shootin', mouth swearin', princess kissin' territory here just because Eggman made a city go on fire.

[Badnik Mechanic]

7 minutes ago, JezMM said:

Like, I know people are scrabbling for examples of darkness in the classic games but nobody really says Sonic Adventure 1 was too dark and that game - canonically - had a echidnas beating up defenseless chao, an implied masscare of an entire tribe, and an entire city being levelled for the finale (though no-one was hurt because family game etc).

I am very much getting vibes of that lattermost situation from this trailer.  I think without further evidence it is VERY overdramatic to assume the franchise is going back to gun shootin', mouth swearin', princess kissin' territory here just because Eggman made a city go on fire.

I honestly think... it's not even going to be SA level of 'Whoa! Sega!'

Why? Because of him.

Now... I can picture a 'good game' on the level of Sonic 06 with Modern Sonic.

I can even picture a 'good game' on the level of Shadow the hedgehog with Modern Sonic.

Even Sonic Adventure...

 

Can anyone... hand on heart... picture a game with Classic Sonic being this 'serious' 'dark' toned game that some people want... without thinking one or both of the following.

* This is stupid.

* This is so out of place.

Even if the 2017 trailer he's so out of place you can't help but default to one of those.

Lets even go crazy and pretend the theory that Boom Sonic is in this game is true, can you honestly picture Boom Sonic working in this kind of game without defaulting to one of those two reactions?

The only way it works if it's on the same tone as Generations or Unleashed.

Also let this be your reminder... Classic Sonic is in this game.

Yes, Classic Sonic. 

[Radiant Hero Ike]

The trailer only gave me that feeling of "oh this is gonna be dark" up until smiley Classic Sonic appeared, and then both Sonics were smiling like "heck yeah let's do this thing" and explody bits

I dunno if Sonic was frowning the whole time and started RIPPING OUT ROBOT WIRES or something then yeah, I'd be worried too. At the moment though I'm hardly thinking it'll be EDGY.

Those are just my personal feelings and I'm not trying to discredit anyone who IS worried, but yeah.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

I don't know what's more ridiculous, that people are still coming off so black and white over Sonic and his story dark/light tones in 2017 like there's no way he can do either one with tact or that we still don't have any gameplay yet...

[Meta77]

2 minutes ago, Tracker_TD said:

I have waited so long to use that image again.

Sonic is absolutely not a dark series. And if history is to go by, when it tries to be it looks downright dumb.

 

*whew lord haha. I love adventure 2 but it did not age well. Sucks the cut volume down on gunshot.

 

Shadow being crucified pretty much in 06. Unleashed world split beam possibly killing people. Eggman has drifted between just beating sonic to flat out trying to kill him. Honestly Im glad Sega is playing this up as a dark entry with eggmans won, sonics at the end of his rope trying to fight back, and leading to a epic showdown to save the world where he failed previously. But eh we will see in a few days what route they are going.

Sonic has a vast fanbase. Not everyone will agree on everything. Just cause something may go one way dont up and cry as if the worlds ending. You lived through boom you'll live through this.

[JezMM]

4 minutes ago, Mayor D said:

Can anyone... hand on heart... picture a game with Classic Sonic being this 'serious' 'dark' toned game that some people want... without thinking one or both of the following.

* This is stupid.

* This is so out of place.

Even if the 2017 trailer he's so out of place you can't help but default to one of those.

Well I mean that's the thing, for me the contrast suggests this is gonna be about the two Sonics being upbeat in the face of unspeakable odds, and they, as characters, will carry the tone of the game, coupled with the fact that I'll be astonished if the destroyed/dilapidated aesthetic is something that spans the entire game.

I guess for the moment I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they could tie this all together in an enjoyable fashion.  But March 16th could prove me wrong just as much as it could prove me right.

[Cyrus]

I notice Sonic's facial expression at the beginning being used a lot as a point to back up that this game's gonna take the series back to its hard edge grimdark phase, but he's had angry looks of determination in lighthearted games before!

Man I really didn't like that one scene in Unleashed where an Egg Fighter shoots up the whole Mazurian tribe.

[Badnik Mechanic]

10 minutes ago, Meta77 said:

*Post of videos*

Every example you gave bar Shadows game which is dreadful... is the endgame...

And in every example the tone of the game up until you build up to that climax is not that tone at all. 

Lets just take Sonic Adventure the game which many point to as being a serious more mature Sonic game shall we?

Emerald Coast.

Windy Valley.

Casinopolis.

Ice Cap.

Twinkle Park.

Speed Highway.

Red Mountain.

Sky Deck.

Lost World

Final Egg *

Hot Shelter.

 

* This is where I would argue the tone changes to a more serious tone... which happens to be the start of the climax for Sonic's story.

So thats... what 9 stages out of 11 (not including the final story) which are clearly not representative of the video you posted?

 

So how on earth can this series be a 'dark' series when the examples to support it are so limited and only the climax for a built up story?

 

Should we do the same for the other games? Because I'm willing to bet for all of them bar Dark Brotherhood which... God only knows what the writers were doing for that one, the vast majority of the game Bunny Land as it was put 2 pages ago.

[Maxtiis]

It really doesn't look any more 'dark' than Unleashed did. Eggman blew up the damn Earth and the game still had all the levity people expect out of most Sonic games. As did Sonic Adventure 1 & 2; half the time they feel like 80's action thrillers, and considering Sonic's "cool in the face of danger" attitude that's been established since his inception, that seemed like the next logical step.

Nowhere in Project 2017's trailer did we see anyone die, nor did Sonic say a childish swear or shoot a gun while mid-2000s industrial rock played in the background. It was just giant mechs destroying a city, and Sonic doing what he always does.

You guys have gotta stop being so paranoid. Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06 happened ten years ago. Sonic Team and Sega's marketing department are fully aware of the PR disaster it would be if they dived headfirst into that territory again. The only thing that any of us should be concerned about is how the game plays.

[Badnik Mechanic]

2 minutes ago, Maxtiis said:

You guys have gotta stop being so paranoid. Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06 happened ten years ago. Sonic Team and Sega's marketing department are fully aware of the PR disaster it would be if they dived headfirst into that territory again. The only thing I that any of us should be concerned about is how the game plays.

In 2014 Sega's PR outright lied to this forum and it's own forums....

...Which was also not the first time that happened.

So I think we're justified with our concerns.

[Maxtiis]

Just now, Mayor D said:

In 2014 Sega's PR outright lied to this forum and it's own forums.

So I think we're justified with our concerns.

I wasn't aware of this, but I'll hold out my concerns until I see what they have to show this Thursday.

[Cyrus]

Speaking of rock, I seriously hope we get a lot more electric guitar riffs in the soundtrack this time as well as a Crush 40 track or two; Huge parts of Sonic's identity that have been given to us in low quantities for a while.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

8 minutes ago, Mayor D said:

In 2014 Sega's PR outright lied to this forum and it's own forums.

So I think we're justified with our concerns.

Dude, that's a farcry from delivering two terrible games back to back like they did with ShTH and Sonic 06, even considering Boom which was screwed up under a different developer.

That's a mountain out of a molehill by comparison.

[Tracker_TD]

10 minutes ago, Cyrus said:

I notice Sonic's facial expression at the beginning being used a lot as a point to back up that this game's gonna take the series back to its hard edge grimdark phase, but he's had angry looks of determination in lighthearted games before!

I'm more pointing at the giant flaming city than that, to be honest. Big whoop, Sonic shows some emotion. That's good. 

[Meta77]

So i missed it but i just saw a new add for a sonic game. No idea what it was i literally just saw the tail end. But it said fun was infinite and had sonics head as a cutout. Does anyone have a link to this or know what game this was. Im thinking mania but i seriously kicked myself for missing it just now.

[Jango]

All I'm gonna say is this:

Want these Sonics. Not the happy-go Sonics from Generations and Lost World.

I mean, for what we've seen so far, it looks like at least Classic is gonna be again "cute and cuddle" instead of:

 

This cocky badass (yet cute).

 

Classic Sonic in Gens was cool, yeah, but he's just so random... Even during the final boss, when both Eggmen reveal themselves, he just...

 

I don't know man, I kinda think Sonic Team will pull this again...

 

How much do I have to pay to have Sonic CD/OVA personality in this (and Unleashed personality back)? D:

 

 

 

[Chili Dawg]

3 minutes ago, Jango said:

All I'm gonna say is this:

Want these Sonics. Not the happy-go Sonics from Generations and Lost World.

I mean, for what we've seen so far, it looks like at least Classic is gonna be again "cute and cuddle" instead of:

 

This cocky badass (yet cute).

 

Classic Sonic in Gens was cool, yeah, but he's just so random... Even during the final boss, when both Eggmen reveal themselves, he just...

 

I don't know man, I kinda think Sonic Team will pull this again...

 

How much do I have to pay to have Sonic CD/OVA personality in this (and Unleashed personality back)? D:

 

 

 

Totes agree. That's the thing that gets me the most, rather than a great Sonic we have two half Sonics. I want a Sonic that stands entirely on his two feet, not needing assistance from himself!

[Cyrus]

3 hours ago, Tracker_TD said:

I'm more pointing at the giant flaming city than that, to be honest.

I'm referring to people who think Sonic's expression means that he'll have his attitude from '06 and the game will be entirely humorless, didn't wanna be redundant talking about how the flaming city's not really an indicator of the game being totally dark. This game's got classic Sonic in it for pete's sake! The robots would look like the Bayformers-y mooks we got in '06 if the game wanted to be taken super seriously, I'm sure of it.

[Badnik Mechanic]

7 minutes ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

Dude, that's a farcry from delivering two terrible games back to back like they did with ShTH and Sonic 06, even considering Boom which was screwed up under a different developer.

Yeah because they didn't tell a lot of porkies during Sonic 4's development either...

Also... when I see Sega editing and releasing videos showing the PC concept build of Rise of Lyric despite the fact they knew perfectly the game wouldn't look like that.

Or get their producers to post completely false statements concerning game features and various other important aspects of what their game will look and behave like on their own forums and this one.

Exactly what else should we be calling it to describe it... and if anyone uses the term alternative facts you'll be sent to Chris Thorndykes house where Elena will just scream at you for the rest of your days.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Just now, Mayor D said:

Yeah because they didn't tell a lot of porkies during Sonic 4's development either...

And even that pales in comparison to the damage done from ShTH and Sonic.

Just now, Mayor D said:

Also... when I see Sega editing and releasing videos showing the PC concept build of Rise of Lyric despite the fact they knew perfectly the game wouldn't look like that.

Or get their producers to post completely false statements concerning game features and various other important aspects of what their game will look and behave like on their own forums and this one.

Exactly what else should we be calling it to describe it... and if anyone uses the term alternative facts you'll be sent to Chris Thorndykes house where Elena will just scream at you for the rest of your days.

I'll go with calling it "excessive paranoia" of group of fans looking for something to raise a stink about all because this game showed dark imagery of a burning city and that somehow is unacceptable to show in a Sonic game.

[Badnik Mechanic]

8 minutes ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

 

I'll go with calling it "excessive paranoia" of group of fans looking for something to raise a stink about all because this game showed dark imagery of a burning city and that somehow is unacceptable to show in a Sonic game.

Terribly sorry.

Feel free to slap us and our justifiable arguments that have been posted over the last 2 pages on your ignore list.

That way you won't need to debate the points and can just put it down to "that paranoid lot."

It's not like people were actually giving reasons as to why they had an issue with it on pages 134-137...  yeah they were just raising a stink...

Yeah better ignore all that stuff about franchise perception and all the other arguments. About how characters fit into certain environments... how when you open with a total destruction theme there isn't much else to gour in terms of stakes.

Yeah... that's right. They just felt like raising a stink on a thing you like.

[Maxtiis]

Aaron Webber's practically in charge of marketing Sonic now, even if officially he's only the head of Sonic's social media presence. He's not stupid, he's done enough good in his time there that I trust he knows how badly that would work out if he and his team were to lie to us, especially since he's spent the past 2 years cleaning up the mess Sega left behind after 2014. He wasn't even there for a time when Sega was marketing Sonic Boom, and I think the game's low sales was a good enough message for the higher ups that they should change how they market and develop Sonic in the future. I think that restructuring they did in 2015 is a good indication for that.

Besides this franchise has enough negativity, it's not hurting anyone to try and maintain a positive attitude to counteract it. I'll still maintain a healthy sense of skepticism, though. Aaron may be above sketchy marketing, but the possibility exists that someone else in Sega will come out and say something stupid in the meantime.