Sonic Forces | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC "The Next Generations"

[Scar]

1 hour ago, Blue Blood said:

The Dead Sea is probably less salty than me right now. 

Forces isn't getting as bad a response as S4 or RoL. It's more like "this is wrong and I'm not happy about it" this time, instead of "SEGA is lately ruining my life" like with the really bad games. 

Don't even know if I'm really hating on the game per say.

Its more of a case of.......why?.....why?....just why...?

Y'know.

 

[azoo]

I don't even think the game will end up actually being bad to play from my perspective (maybe a 6.5-7, at least higher than LW), it's just.. 

If you thought Unleashed was a game made with good intentions but absolutely bonkers execution, this game's gonna dwarf that by a country mile. And if you thought 06 was enough of a base-breaker with it's embarrassing plot and extremely divisive gameplay and design decisions, this game's gonna (concept wise) make it look relatively normal.

I'm just baffled that this keeps escalating. It really is like they only learned "don't rush games. also show green hill a lot" in a decade's worth of time and thought that's what saved them before.

[Zippo]

1 hour ago, TailsMania said:

You mean the; Sonic 4 vs a turd "What's the difference" gif. Haha. Yeah, I can't find it either.

I hardly even think of Sonic 4 anymore. Ep1 was so rubbish. When Mania comes out I will forget Sonic 4 ever existed

I don't see how anyone could forget. Still the biggest shitstorm this franchise has ever gone through. Retro got shut down. Twice. They even held a "Feedback Meeting" in San Francisco after it's release so we could tell them about how fucking shit it was. 

44 minutes ago, Jango said:

Imagine if we didn't had Mania this year to keep us sane?

Stop

STOP IT

 

[Diogenes]

41 minutes ago, Sonikko said:

Speaking of the third character, I seriously think this might be Blaze, the silouhette looks a lot like her, if you consider her head being tilted upwards, towards the robots. The hair could be hiding since they would be pointing towards the camera, so we wouldn't be able to see them through the smoke. The shoes and the tail would also make sense. Just throwing it out there.

It's not Blaze. It's likely a cat, but there is nothing else in that silhouette that looks like Blaze. The new character doesn't have her poofy-spiky glove cuffs/socks, there's no indication of any clothing beyond shoes and gloves when Blaze's coattails should be easily identifiable, and there's no way the angle of the character's head would hide her hair; they'd have to be looking almost straight up to hide a ponytail that's worn that high.

[Dejimon11]

Not to mention if it was Blaze they would of just revealed her as soon as possible and she's not a "new ally"

[Jango]

Sooo. Back to Force's plot. I'm really hoping to see human characters again, especially because this time Eggman did it, he conquered the WORLD, the humans are f*cked!!! In my mind (as a writer), Sonic Forces should open with some human (Unleashed design for the love of God, I cannot stress this enough) reporter broadcasting LIVE the Eggman's attacks around the planet, showing videos of the Egg Sentinels destroying cities. We even see Apotos, Empire City and so on being attacked, people running and mass destruction. Suddenly the reporter is called because they just got a news report that the GUN Forces are fighting back in Westopolis (yes, they would reference ShadowTH, bear with me, imma writing this, m'okay?). Another video shows GUN Mechs and soldiers attacking the Egg Sentinels with no success.

The scene cuts back to the reporter in fear asking: "Where is Sonic the Hedgehog?". BAM. Fade to black. Sonic Team presents... Sonic Forces!

Sorry I got carried away :V

[Dee Dude]

Like seriously people....

Not even close.

[JosepHenry]

I will bring the level tropes question again...

What kind of levels do you all want to see in Forces?

[Kintor]

1 hour ago, Indigo Rush said:

On the flipside, Sonic 4 had a lot more blind white-knighters at its defense than Forces does right now.

You're never going to get anywhere if you keep treating anyone who likes Sonic Forces as being 'blind'; that says more about you own prejudices then it does about who says something positive about the game. It's naive of you think that the positive support of Sonic Forces would ever tarnished by a bizarre comparison to Sonic 4. Each Sonic game has it's supports and I'll think you find Sonic Forces as the kind of broad support that the Sonic Franchise needed to move past the mistakes of the past few years, regardless of whether you choose to move forward with it or not.

1 hour ago, Jango said:

Which is utterly sad, as Sonic 4 is utterly shit. TBH, I was kinda excited-ish for Sonic 4... guess I was younger and naive :V Probably would've liked Sonic 06 if I've played back in the day, which I didn't because I never had the chance (but heck I admit I wanted to). I have never played it to this day. 

I guess we've all past that age where slapping Sonic's name in a game was enough for us to buy and enjoy.

If you look throughout this thread, you'll find plenty of being liking Sonic Forces and providing good reasons for doing so. Nobody here today is support Sonic Forces just because it's a Sonic game. Truthfully, Sonic Forces is getting praise because it's doing so much to right the wrongs of Lost World and Sonic Boom. That the sheer fact Sonic Force is a direct sequel to Sonic Generations shows that Sonic Team is at least listening to fan feedback. A 'Sonic Generations 2' is what fans have been asking for nearly six years now and Sonic Forces is finally delivering on that promise. It shouldn't be too hard to understand why Sonic Forces has already earned the respect of many in the Sonic fanbase and the wider gaming community.

 

[Wraith]

If this game was the exact fucking same except Blaze was in it I would probably be about half as hard on it tbh 

[MegasonicZX]

34 minutes ago, Azoo said:

I don't even think the game will end up actually being bad to play from my perspective (maybe a 6.5-7, at least higher than LW), it's just.. 

If you thought Unleashed was a game made with good intentions but absolutely bonkers execution, this game's gonna dwarf that by a country mile. And if you thought 06 was enough of a base-breaker with it's embarrassing plot and extremely divisive gameplay and design decisions, this game's gonna (concept wise) make it look relatively normal.

I'm just baffled that this keeps escalating. It really is like they only learned "don't rush games. also show green hill a lot" in a decade's worth of time and thought that's what saved them before.

This is still going off the assumption that the gameplay and design decisions end up being bad in the first place which is still yet to be seen. Like, I know faith in sonic team is at an absolute low right now and I'm not saying that the footage we saw was gold either (heck if the whole game really is anything like that footage, which I doubt, then there'd be more than enough reason to worry) but I feel like everyone is jumping the gun here, the games still not 100% complete which I know isn't that big of a difference most of the time but could make the difference between "bland looking" green hill and "OH MY GOD ITS LIKE PORN FOR MY EYES" green hill and in the case of the modern footage, while its a problem they definitely need to fix (as other great platformers don't have this problem), they always start off with a relatively simple and straightforward segment to get things going and only really takes off a level or two later.

 

Anyway, I feel like this whole speculation has been all over the place and I'm just sitting here waiting for Sega to finally give us some concrete info to go on instead of these little bread crumbs, its gonna be a really hard wait till E3.

[JosepHenry]

4 minutes ago, Kintor said:

You're never going to get anywhere if you keep treating anyone who likes Sonic Forces as being 'blind'; that says more about you own prejudices then it does about who says something positive about the game. It's naive of you think that the positive support of Sonic Forces would ever tarnished by a bizarre comparison to Sonic 4. Each Sonic game has it's supports and I'll think you find Sonic Forces as the kind of broad support that the Sonic Franchise needed to move past the mistakes of the past few years, regardless of whether you choose to move forward with it or not.

If you look throughout this thread, you'll find plenty of being liking Sonic Forces and providing good reasons for doing so. Nobody here today is support Sonic Forces just because it's a Sonic game. Truthfully, Sonic Forces is getting praise because it's doing so much to right the wrongs of Lost World and Sonic Boom. That the sheer fact Sonic Force is a direct sequel to Sonic Generations shows that Sonic Team is at least listening to fan feedback. A 'Sonic Generations 2' is what fans have been asking for nearly six years now and Sonic Forces is finally delivering on that promise. It shouldn't be too hard to understand why Sonic Forces has already earned the respect of many in the Sonic fanbase and the wider gaming community.

 

I don't want to be a jerk, but...

This is the Forces hate topic, people here won't listen to positivity ^^"

 

But, their hatred is justified...  

[Kintor]

Just now, JosepMelloZSM said:

I don't want to be a jerk, but...

This is the Forces hate topic, people here won't listen to positivity ^^"

 

But, their hatred is justified...  

Positivity might be beyond some people but they should still listen to reason. Labelling Sonic fans that likes Sonic Forces as being 'blind' or mockingly comparing them to people who defended Sonic 4 is just poison, that kind of self-loathing mentality is going to kill SSMB in the long run.

I mean, I know this mega thread is created to try and keep everything neat and tidy but being able to post Sonic Forces topics in the whole new Sonic games forum would help to disperse all the energy currently in this thread.

[Shiny Gems]

6 minutes ago, Kintor said:

Positivity might be beyond some people but they should still listen to reason. Labelling Sonic fans that likes Sonic Forces as being 'blind' or mockingly comparing them to people who defended Sonic 4 is just poison, that kind of self-loathing mentality is going to kill SSMB in the long run.

I mean, I know this mega thread is created to try and keep everything neat and tidy but being able to post Sonic Forces topics in the whole new Sonic games forum would help to disperse all the energy currently in this thread.

About the blind part, I want to add: just because you like something others don't does not make one blind. It is their opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Comparing those who like and defend the game to those who have defended Sonic 4 is just, wow, a new low. I defended Sonic 4 before, but I have seen the error of my ways. To me, though, Sonic Forces is another story from Sonic 4 in a sense, for despite what little has been shown that some seem to overreact about, it can still be good. People just seem to try and find reasons not to give the game a chance, which I would say is rather unhealthy.

[JosepHenry]

Just now, Kintor said:

Positivity might be beyond some people but they should still listen to reason. Labelling Sonic fans that likes Sonic Forces as being 'blind' or mockingly comparing them to people who defended Sonic 4 is just poison, that kind of self-loathing mentality is going to kill SSMB in the long run.

I mean, I know this mega thread is created to try and keep everything neat and tidy but being able to post Sonic Forces topics in the whole new Sonic games forum would help to disperse all the energy currently in this thread.

... But it won't work, they will cut your arguments down, they are veteran Sonic fanboys!  You're just wasting your time... You have too see why they are so pessimistic.

 

......So, what kind of levels do you guys want in Forces....?

[azoo]

I don't need to explain myself (nor do others) in why our concern and general negativity is reasonable, especially whenever it is responded to immediately as if it went right over your heads because you didn't care to read or understand what was being said. If you want to victimize yourself and act like all the negativity is unwarranted (after being tired, frustrated fans in a long long line of disappointment after disappointment) then fine, but let me be clear: you're either gonna have to swallow your pride and continue trying to discuss what you want about the game anyways without trying to silence all criticism and worries as if we're all gonna make it by in a burning house, or simply jump out of the fire and try taking the discussion to either status updates or other topics if the natural heatwaves coming off everyone can't be handled.

Granted, it has gotten overboard with how much people have been going at it, and that includes me (since lol, I'm not very happy about what's coming!). But the amount of whining and complaining about how people actually dare have concerns or opinions that aren't positive is just... just, wow guys. Good job!

So, I'm going to keep to my word about last night and lock this topic for a limited amount of time. Everyone cool your jets, and when we come back I'm not going to see any further messes from either side on this, or else I will enact on it. Indubitably. 

See you in two hours!

For anyone waiting, here's elevator music.

[Zaysho]

1 hour ago, JosepMelloZSM said:

... But it won't work, they will cut your arguments down, they are veteran Sonic fanboys!  You're just wasting your time... You have too see why they are so pessimistic.

Forgive me, but this isn't any more appropriate or helpful to problems of an overly negative tone or atmosphere we already have. It's one thing for some fans (understandably or not) to have concerns based on what's been shown to us, it's another thing to make these sorts of passive-aggressive/snide comments in retaliation to those attitudes. Let's all try to discuss the game, positive or negative, without taking shots at other members, 'kay?

If negativity is an issue for you in this thread, at least try to be above it and steer the conversation in ways that could be more interesting for you and other members. You can also start adding members to your ignore list if the way they express themselves annoys you or avoid the thread altogether until there's news to discuss. If other members are giving you shit because you have a differing opinion, then consider reporting it to us and let us see what's going on and decide on where to go from there (and, because this is something we've been seeing, no, you can't report people just because they're being cynical about Sonic. Yes, it's annoying as fuck and we hate it too, but unless someone is being cynical AND giving other members a hard time, there's not much we can do).

My two cents. The thread will be open again soon and I don't want to be here, but I'm not about to let this sort of thing slide, either.

[azoo]

We're back (a dinosaur's story).

Don't screw it up.

[Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon]

4 hours ago, JezMM said:

Sonic Forces?  More like... Sonic 4... ces...

_{YES I fuckin' nailed it}

More like "Sonic 4 Sez.......

......Sonic Forces: Ace Attorney Edition! For All Your Debating Needs! Be Happy, Ya'll!"

So back on track, it is interesting to hear that quite a few characters like Silver and even the Chaotix will be back to suitable roles story-wise. Or at least, we at least know they're in the game.

Vic also confirming he'll be in there, does give me the hopes that Omega can FINALLY get back in the action! Of course with him there if he's there, I can assume that Shadow won't be too far behind.

 

[blazefan519]

23 minutes ago, Jovahexeon Joranvexeon said:

Vic also confirming he'll be in there, does give me the hopes that Omega can FINALLY get back in the action! Of course with him there if he's there, I can assume that Shadow won't be too far behind.

Vic didn't confirm he'll be in the game, just that he'll be in a Sonic game, which leaves the possibility of the Olympics as Omega is playable in the new one (oddly enough with his John St John's voice instead of Vic's). I know that it's pretty likely he'll be in the game, but just don't jump to conclusions is all I am saying.

[FriendBot]

Sonic Forces is a game.

A game I'm currently not really loving nor really hating, just mere indifference. 

At first, I was intrigued by the more serious tone. Not super serious like Shadow or 06 but a natural kind of serious for the series. Eggman robots doing some serious damage, that's very plausible for this series to happen unlike a random alien invasion where an alien race has ties to one of the main characters or a time travel fucktrip that's both pointless and convoluted. So yeah, I digged the tone for Forces.

When the gameplay was shown at SXSW, I was disappointed to see the Boost returning. It made sense why they would go back to it but still kinda bummed out. The level itself looked nice but the level design is subpar from the first 50 or so seconds of it, maybe there are stuff that aren't entirely obvious in that stage that might show some depth to it but I wouldn't know. 

Then Classic gameplay was shown and that was also pretty eh. I'm one of the few people that's fine with the visual downgrade of the Green Hill/Sandopolis fusion level. Rich visuals is always a plus but when you're going in a fast pace, you'll have practically halt yourself or slowdown to truly appreciate the fine work of said visuals. So at the end, does it really matter if the graphics are extremely detailed when you wouldn't normally be able to take in the view in the first place? Maybe it's just me and my bad opinions but I'm fine with it. It looks nice anyway so it's not like we're seeing terrible visuals to begin with, I mean during that Chopper bridge scene I was able to look at the background of the stage and see the sand waterfall for a bit. I'd prefer that instead, again my (terrible) opinion so meh.

Still pretty irksome to see boosters in unnecessary places as well. Classic Sonic games were more lax in boosters but from the gameplay footage of Forces shown so far just placed that shit everywhere, granted this is not a new issue. It's been apparent in past titles before but it's still pretty irksome to see it placed around all willy nilly. And seeing boosters before loops tells me Sonic Team haven't attempted to refine the physics for Classic Sonic and that's just disappointing. This game was in the works for 4 years and refining the rolling physics for Classic Sonic wasn't something they considered during development? I mean, rolling into a ball and getting some crazy speed and air was so good in the Classic games so the fact that Classic Sonic doesn't really play like Classic Sonic. Makes it just as much a cheap imitation as Sonic 4. Actually not even like Sonic 4 because Episode II made an attempt to be more accurate, it wasn't perfect but still an attempt was made. Again, this is just all nutty speculation bullshit but come on Sonic Team, please don't tell you didn't attempt to make Classic Sonic play more like the Genesis games. That's gonna make you look real bad especially with Mania coming before Forces.

Outside of that, the gameplay snippets are nothing to write home about. 

So Bubsy Wild Cat the third character was teased as well. And well yeah, it sucks that another new character is gonna have a playable role instead of one of the main cast. But I guess Sonic Team weren't ready to have a returning character be playable just yet since the "Sonic's Shitty Friends" is still a thing. But idk anything about them. If it really is a make your own character kind of thing, it's very much likely that it's gonna be laughably awful. I can already see it now, people are going to be very dismissive of it and I can hear the critics make comments like "Great, Sonic Team gave those stupid fans a way to insert their stupid OCs into the game" and that's putting it lightly. I'll be very impressed if it's anything worthwhile but again, it might not even be the case to begin with. So yeah, just more dumb speculation.

What else did I forget to mention? Forces' main theme? It's really good, a nice mix of Runners' musical style but more dramatic and intense, I dig it! Really nice to hear that it's gonna be a vocal theme! Jun's pick for the vocalist hasn't been terrible on the record so this should be a fun song to listen to. The new twist for Classic Sonic? It's probably just gonna be fusion levels like the Green Hill/Sandopolis fusion we saw in that Nintendo Direct footage.

I think I covered my current impressions for Forces right now.

It's going to be a good game but some irksome level design choices and still have no solid idea on what kind of game Forces really is, can't say I'm particularly hyped at the moment. Hoping E3 gives a much better idea on what this shindig is all about.

So yeah at the moment, meh.

[Shaddy Zaphod]

I always thought it was weird that they brought on Mignogna, someone with a pretty distinctive and easily recognizable voice in most of the anime he's in, to voice Omega, a character with direction and filters applied to his voice in such a manner that everyone who voices him ends up sounding the same. Compare Omega in Heroes, to Omega in Shadow, to Omega in Free Riders. Why even bother bringing on a new person at all, especially one that's been in half of every English dub ever released, for a performance so inconsequential?

[Zippo]

14 minutes ago, blazefan519 said:

Vic didn't confirm he'll be in the game, just that he'll be in a Sonic game, which leaves the possibility of the Olympics as Omega is playable in the new one (oddly enough with his John St John's voice instead of Vic's). I know that it's pretty likely he'll be in the game, but just don't jump to conclusions is all I am saying.

Yeah, there's definitely going to be a Mario and Sonic at the Pyeongchang Winter Olympic Games coming, so it may be for that, here's hoping he's in both. 

[Shiny Gems]

1 minute ago, Shaddy the guy said:

I always thought it was weird that they brought on Mignogna, someone with a pretty distinctive and easily recognizable voice in most of the anime he's in, to voice Omega, a character with direction and filters applied to his voice in such a manner that everyone who voices him ends up sounding the same. Compare Omega in Heroes, to Omega in Shadow, to Omega in Free Riders. Why even bother bringing on a new person at all, especially one that's been in half of every English dub ever released, for a performance so inconsequential?

Um, I don't think Omega was in Free Riders. You mean that Eggman robot guy, I'm guessing?

[FriendBot]

Just now, CrystalStorm51 said:

Um, I don't think Omega was in Free Riders. You mean that Eggman robot guy, I'm guessing?

E-10000B? Everyone remembers E-10000B!

That's like the best character!