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Edit: Also, those candidate points are ridiculous. Anything that puts me to the left of Obama seems a bit off.

The scale is weighted internationally. From an international level, Obama and Romney (and pretty much all major American politicians) are basically the same. This is both because Romney is left enough that most Neo Cons hate him (remember how nasty the Republican Party was to him specifically before he won the primaries and they pretended he was Jesus' handsome and rich cousin who they always loved?) and because Obama is very centrist regardless of how much Republicans like to say he is a filthy socialist (so in practice they aren't really that different even from an American perspective, but our sense of scale is very screwed up).

Speaking of which.

I am surprised that I am not more left...

https://picasaweb.google.com/107139156092514486739/Stuff#5783054900871863026

FTFY

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Speaking of which.

I am surprised that I am not more left...

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Git outta mah squayre!

Nah, you're all right. smile.png

In other campaign news, Romney had another slight gaffe today, referring to America not as a country, but as a company. Some people have let it slide, some haven't, I'll leave this one for you:

Although Mitt Romney’s determination to campaign for president on his record as a businessman has led both his supporters and his detractors to suggest that if elected, he would attempt to run the country like a business, Romney’s own understanding of the presidential role has never been entirely clear.

He may, however, have accidentally let his beliefs slip out at a campaign event in Florida on Friday, when he referred to the United States as a “company.”

“[Obama] didn’t know what it takes to actually make the economy work,” Romney told his audience. “Paul Ryan and I understand how the economy works, we understand how Washington works, we will reach across the aisle and find good people who like us, want to make sure this company deals with its challenges. We’ll get America on track again.”

Romney hesitated slightly after the word “company,” as if he was vaguely aware he might have used the wrong word, but then plowed on without correcting himself.

The gaffe quickly drew criticism from the left.

“The goal of a company is to make money,” ThinkProgress observed, “whereas the goal of a government is to provide services that are not achievable in the private sector. Romney’s belief that the government is similar to a company explains his dedication to cutting programs that he perceives are ‘inefficient’ because they cost money, even if they effectively help American citizens.”

And diarist TomP at Daily Kos remarked even more sharply, “People don’t sacrifice for a company. They don’t volunteer and maybe die in a war for a company, at least not knowingly. … Corporations may be people, Mitt, and you may be a corporation, but the United States of America is no ‘company.’ We are a nation of people who share common ideals of freedom, equality, liberty and decency that NO Company can.”

This video was uploaded to YouTube by isancold on August 31, 2012.

http://www.rawstory....ates-a-company/

I'm wondering if it's just because he's more used to speaking to board rooms than big crowds.... hmmm... or maybe he really does want to run the country like a business. D:

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larence Thomas is just a personal pet peeve of mine. I loathe the man. Everything about him, I despise. It says something that I respect Scalia, but cannot stand Thomas.

ah xD Well, sorry to rub a sore spot.

Also, the scale represents world ideology. Not U.S. Obama is quite conservative.

The test may represent my views accurately compared to an American scale, and it may represent Obama's relative to a world scale. It does not, however, represent both my views and the candidates' views in comparable terms, and I suspect the same is true relative to everyone else taking the test. I guarantee my views about authority, religion, abortion, family law, ethical welfare, education, and national identity are to the right of Obama.

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So apparently I'm a communist...

Not really.

In theory, you are a communist ideally.

In reality, you would loathe how it was applied in the real world.

The goal here is to not go north. You are flirting with Facism if you do regardless of your economic policy. No one wants to be in the company of Robert Mugambe and Hitler.

Hell, don't go South neither. One side is pretty much Tyler Durden(left) and the other is Lex Luthor(right).

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Not really.

In theory, you are a communist ideally.

In reality, you would loathe how it was applied in the real world.

The goal here is to not go north. You are flirting with Facism if you do regardless of your economic policy. No one wants to be in the company of Robert Mugambe and Hitler.

Oh I may be terrible with politics but I'm definitely aware of how awfully communism works out in practice, lol.

The gist of what I want is simply something more supportive of the average person than the disaster of a system the US currently has (And Canada + a lot of Europe, to a slightly lesser extent), and a system that isn't set up almost solely to make the already rich richer. Beyond that is semantics and petty, personal details.

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Since these charts seem to be all the rage right now.

Here's mine.

I'm just a few points away from Tornado's than I am from Turbojet...not that there's anything wrong with that of course. laugh.png

More aligned with Dissident, so that's cool.

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Not too surprised by my coordinates. Personally, I center my political schema around Maslow's hierarchy; I believe the government's role is to provide basic physiological necessities and safety for all citizens (i.e. defense spending, health care, welfare, police training) and enable equal, fair access to higher-order needs like relationships and personal achievement through the individual's effort and interest (i.e. affordable education, job availability, cheap transportation, gay rights).

In any event, where were the gun rights questions?

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To be fair, this is the full quote:

It then leads into a discussion of the effects of war, imperial exploitation, the welfare state, protectionism, and class immobility on a powerful nation. As he goes on to say in the bit about protectionism, for example:

He then suggests the US learn from this and not repeat the mistakes of the past.

The beginning is still an (inexcusably) inaccurate picture of the UK's role in the world. Still, contextually, it's just exaggeration for effect, not the patriotic bigotry it appears to be in isolation.

Thanks for the full quotation. While some of that is true I do find kinda ironic that America has done the exact same things mentioned in that quote e.g. exploited countries check been doing that since the late 1800's still going strong today.

Yes when have welfare and yes we public healthcare when while some of America realized these aren't evil things if adapted properly.

But sorry Zhu, I think the guys a dick that will send America back quite a few years.sleep.png

EDIT: Don't ask me to do that test thing because I actually hate politics even though for some reason I rope myself into discussion now and again and do want people labeling me what I am, people have called me all sorts of things Communist, anarchist, all kinds of crap.

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This apparently my political chart;

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Practically in the middle of being a left libertarian. Geez, the Tea Party would loathe a lot of us here.

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Practically in the middle of being a left libertarian. Geez, the Tea Party would loathe a lot of us here.

Don't be silly; the Tea Party loathes everyone.

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%7Boption%7Dhttp://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?Rick_Santorum=7.0%2C8.5&Newt_Gingrich=8.0%2C7.5&Mitt_Romney=7.0%2C6.5&Ron_Paul=9.0%2C-1.0&Barack_Obama=6.0%2C6.0&You=-0.8%2C-4.5%3Cdiv%20style=%7Boption%7D

I was far righter than I though I was going to be, lol

And now apparently, I'm not allowed to post images on an iPad. I dun git it.

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Romney tells person made homeless by Hurricane Isaac, "go home and call 211":

Romney and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal ® spent close to an hour meeting with first responders and local officials. Romney shook hands with National Guardsmen outside the U.S. Post Office and talked with a local resident, Jodie Chiarello, 42, who lost her home in Isaac's flooding.

"He just told me to, um, there's assistance out there," Chiarello said of her conversation with Romney. "He said, go home and call 211." That's a public service number offered in many states.

Chiarello said she will likely seek some other shelter because her home was submerged in the flooding. She expressed frustration about the town's lack of flood protection.

"We live outside the levee protection that's why we get all this water because they close the floodgates up front and all they're doing is flooding us out down here," she said. "It's very frustrating, very. We go through Katrina and Rita and now we're going through Cindy, Lee and now Isaac."

http://www.huffingto..._n_1848432.html

Two things are wrong with this:

1) Why isn't Romney telling flooded out people to rebuild their homes themselves? I thought he was against government assistance.

2) You don't tell someone freshly without a home to, and I quote, "go home," that's just rubbing salt into the wound.

Maybe he should suggest that building codes on the gulf coast and in every flood-prone region need to be revised to make every at-risk property flood safe, like those stilt houses in New Orleans or something.

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Romney tells person made homeless by Hurricane Isaac, "go home and call 211":

http://www.huffingto..._n_1848432.html

Two things are wrong with this:

1) Why isn't Romney telling flooded out people to rebuild their homes themselves? I thought he was against government assistance.

2) You don't tell someone freshly without a home to, and I quote, "go home," that's just rubbing salt into the wound.

Maybe he should suggest that building codes on the gulf coast and in every flood-prone region need to be revised to make every at-risk property flood safe, like those stilt houses in New Orleans or something.

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And now apparently, I'm not allowed to post images on an iPad. I dun git it.

The link you provided for the image did not end in a valid image file type, like .jpg or .png, which is why your image tags won't work. You'll need to take a screenshot, crop everything but the chart out, and save the image via Paint or another image utility and upload it to the web if you want it in here.

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What I meant was his attitude when he visted the UK came across as really arrogant and Negative, many people found him to be worse than Palin.

As I said before he's a dinosaur.

Also this is what Mitt Romney said about the UK in his Autobiography.

What a ignorant bastard, If that's what he thinks of us I hate to think about what he thinks about the French and the Germans. sleep.png

This may come as a surprise, but their are many nations and leaders of nations on this planet that have a strong disdain towards the English.

I can't stand the guy myself, and yeah his attitude abroad is a bit of a joke, but again his main priority is winning over the USA, not European opinion

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This may come as a surprise, but their are many nations and leaders of nations on this planet that have a strong disdain towards the English.

Global resentment kinda comes with the territory of being a current or ex dominant world power. America has similarly had a lot directed against it these last couple of decades.

It just can't be helped sometimes. That said, when you're running for president, and you're trying to show your allies that you can be a great statesman, insulting the countries you visit is generally not a great plan of action.

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This may come as a surprise, but their are many nations and leaders of nations on this planet that have a strong disdain towards the English.

Ouch.

Yes, I am quite aware of that, but its not like your super popular nation in fact far from it, in fact you guys have replaced us as the one of most loathed nations on this planet, your the new Empire.wink.png

Our opinions of him should be important because forbid if he actually wins the election he will have to deal with us, for a businessman he's a bit shit at bussiness relationships I take it he is more of a hostile takeover guy.

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but its not like your super popular nation in fact far from it, in fact you guys have replaced us as the one of most loathed nations on this planet, your the new Empire.wink.png

More like the new Soviet Union. As in, not actually hostile, but so mired in corruption, misinformation, misplaced nationalism and corporate kickbacks that's it's amazing the country manages to continue to function year after year. At least, that's the public stereotype.

Still, Obama's time in office has done wonders for international PR. No longer is the president thought of as a joke, but instead as a competent do-gooder held back by slimy weasels. Again, stereotypes. Gotta love 'em.

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I wonder how many Romney haters are just bandwagoning and have no actual idea why people hate him.

Well. I am foreigner I have my own reasons as to why I dislike him and I don't see as bandwagon jumping, I mean he is not exactly an easy guy to like, like the Hurricane comments Pat highlighted he seems to have habit of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, which is not a good trait for a politician to have.

Still, Obama's time in office has done wonders for international PR. No longer is the president thought of as a joke, but instead as a competent do-gooder held back by slimy weasels. Again, stereotypes. Gotta love 'em.

Also racists. wink.png

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I wonder how many Romney haters are just bandwagoning and have no actual idea why people hate him.

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I can only say that the last part made me laugh.

I'd say more, but I'm not good with words (as you are probably aware.)

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