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At least Obama's not outright lying about the auto industry bailout like Romney feels he has to to win votes.

I'll take slight creepiness over complete fabrications any day.

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Do you really think oil is going to "fill the sea," that the polar bears will go extict, or that gay people will be brainwashed? Those are just a handful of the lies shat forth by this awful ad.

Mitt's all in favor of deregulation, so oil leaks and spills are going to become more likely as regulations are relaxed.

Polar Bears are already under severe pressure thanks to current warming trends. It is not outside the bounds of possibility that they could soon become extinct in the wild, though frankly I don't think that will be possible to attribute to any particular US president's policies (unless those policies involve building lots of oil rigs in the Arctic and shooting any bear that gets within a mile). I wouldn't call it a lie either, though. Exaggeration or half truth, perhaps?

Homosexuals and their rights would not have stood to benefit from any GOP administration that the last batch of presidential nominees could have formed. In fact, it might yet become harder for them if Romney wins and starts enacting homophobic new laws spewed forth by the house. With homophobic zealotry rife within the Republican Party (log cabins notwithstanding), and with the likelihood that electoral victory would vindicate the Tea Party and cement their status within the GOP... under their stewardship, yes, I believe we might indeed see "gay camps" and similar things designed to get the gayness out of homosexuals pop up, in the Deep South if nowhere else.

Like all American political ads, it's filled with mixtures of half-truths and cocktails of misleading statements designed to sway opinions rather than actually inform, and frankly it's just depressing to watch. The children was the sinisterly cynical icing on the cake. I just mute the TV whenever any political ads come on, no matter who they're supporting.

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Whedon is not denouncing capitalism as a whole. He's denouncing the kind of runaway, sociopathic bullshit capitalism we have now where corporations have got our politics and economic situation by the balls and are simultaneously not being held accountable for the immoral crap they get away with on a daily basis. Not sure how making the Avengers puts him in a hypocritical situation.

Even if I were to agree with you, why should I practically give a shit when he's a hypocrite with a point?

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Did you seriously just link to breitbart? You seriously just linked to breitbart.

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You can denounce facets of your own society while living in said society.

See: The Occupy movement, the Tea Party movement, various anti-war movements, environmental and species protection groups etc etc.

Everybody has at least some issues with the societies in which they live, and most of us moan about them openly once in a while.

In other news, I earlier posted about FiveThirtyEight's polling figures for yesterday, which appeared to show a bit of a plateauing of the numbers for both candidates, but today's numbers are up and Obama's lead in the electoral college chart has risen by a further 1.1 points. His chances of winning in these figures are up a full 1% to 74.6%, and his share of the projected popular vote has risen by 0.1% to 50.4%. I expect Mr. Silver will post an article up featuring these numbers on Monday morning.

Looks like Obama's still resurgent. Perhaps after Sandy, if there's some major screw-up or tragedy Romney can politicize, things will change again. But not right now.

Is it just me, or does every day that passes seem to get slower the closer we come to election day?

Edit: On reflection, yes, I am aware that I go on about the FTE blog way too much, and I also know that its word isn't gospel, but if there is one place on the net that can provide you with a nearly scientific measure of the race, a grand overview of how both daily developments and the race up to now have impacted the elect-ability of the candidates; factoring in polls of all shapes and sizes, economic conditions, daily events and more, and giving each item as it comes a degree of importance (or 'weight') according to various factors (such as; Is this pollster known for numbers favoring one candidate consistently?), it's FTE.

I just kinda, well, I trust it not to overblow each individual poll which might on its own be the leading item on one news station or another (but taken with the other polls of the day mean little), thereby giving a false or incomplete impression of what's going on.

Also, is this the most intensively polled race ever?

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Yeah, deal with it.

This man, this Obama creature, watched the Libyans ransack that building from the Situation Room and he ordered the Marines to stand down. He is a disgusting parasite, the worst scourge ever to infect the White House. I used to just disagree with him, but after this news of his latest arrogance, I spit on him as a human. If the media weren't so Liberal, he wouldn't even have a chance at re-election. He's a murderer, plain and simple. I can't wait for the day when he slithers out of the White House and into that sludge pit he recently bought in Hawaii.

Yo Spiky, do us a favor and leave the conservative view point to Shun Zhu. All you're doing is bashing, and that doesn't do anything but make people laugh at how out of touch, out of sense, and out of your mind you're being.

I mean really, you're just throwing a hissy-fit.

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Come to think of it, where is Zhu anyway?

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Bashing? That's all this thread has been about! Bashing conservatives. Oh but you do give yourselves a lot of back-pats. This isn't the fucking DNC; I'm entitled to dissent.

Yeah, none of us have gone so far as to call Romney a scourge to anything and a person we would spit on as a human being. Or a "creature", or dictatorial mastermind intent on whatever, etc.

I think that's a clear difference between you and everyone else here. Hell, we've all had some criticism of the democrats what with their ad being an analogy between voting and virginity for example, or the first presidential debate. Heck, Tornado and Turbojet have been just as critical towards the democrats without sinking to bashing.

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Obama Adminstration is set to sponsor Nationwide Health Insurance

http://www.nytimes.c...nwide.html?_r=2

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will soon take on a new role as the sponsor of at least two nationwide health insurance plans to be operated under contract with the federal government and offered to consumers in every state.

Times Topics: Health Insurance and Managed Care | Health Care Reform

These multistate plans were included in President Obama’s health care law as a substitute for a pure government-run health insurance program — the public option sought by many liberal Democrats and reviled by Republicans. Supporters of the national plans say they will increase competition in state health insurance markets, many of which are dominated by a handful of companies.

The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.

Walton J. Francis, the author of a consumer guide to health plans for federal employees, said the personnel agency had been “extraordinarily successful” in managing that program, which has more than 200 health plans, including about 20 offered nationwide. The personnel agency has earned high marks for its ability to secure good terms for federal workers through negotiation rather than heavy-handed regulation of insurers.

John J. O’Brien, the director of health care and insurance at the agency, said the new plans would be offered to individuals and small employers through the insurance exchanges being set up in every state under the 2010 health care law.

No one knows how many people will sign up for the government-sponsored plans. In preparing cost estimates, the Obama administration told insurers to assume that each national plan would have 750,000 people enrolled in the first year.

Under the Affordable Care Act, at least one of the nationwide plans must be offered by a nonprofit entity. Insurance experts see an obvious candidate for that role: the Government Employees Health Association, a nonprofit group that covers more than 900,000 federal employees, retirees and dependents, making it the second-largest plan for federal workers, after the Blue Cross and Blue Shield program.

The association, with headquarters near Kansas City, Mo., was founded in 1937 to help railway mail clerks with their medical expenses, and it generally receives high scores in surveys of consumer satisfaction.

Richard G. Miles, the association’s president, expressed interest in offering a multistate plan to the general public through insurance exchanges, but said no decision had been made.

“Our expertise in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program would be useful in the private marketplace,” Mr. Miles said in an interview. “But we are concerned about the underwriting risk in providing insurance to an unknown group of customers.”

To be eligible to participate in the multistate program, insurers must be licensed in every state. The Government Employees Health Association recently bought a company that has the licenses it would need.

The new health care law stipulates that at least one of the multistate plans must provide insurance without coverage of abortion services. If a plan does cover abortions, it must establish separate accounts, one with money for abortion and one for all other medical services.

National insurance plans will be subject to regulation by the federal government, state insurance commissioners and state insurance exchanges. That mix could cause confusion for some consumers who have questions or complaints about their coverage.

The federal standards will pre-empt state rules in at least one respect: the national health plans will automatically be eligible to compete against other private insurers in the new exchanges, regardless of whether they have been certified as meeting the standards of those exchanges.

The administration has promised to “work cooperatively with states.” But it is unclear whether the government-sponsored plans will have to comply with all state laws and consumer protection standards; whether they will have to comply with state benefit mandates; and whether they will have to pay state fees and taxes levied on other insurers to finance exchange operations.

The National Association of Insurance Commissioners, which represents state regulators, expressed alarm at the prospect of a double standard.

“It is absolutely essential that multistate plans compete on a level playing field with other qualified health plans, which are subject to state insurance law,” the association said in a letter to the Office of Personnel Management.

Consumer groups expressed similar concerns. The national insurance plans and other carriers must be subject to identical standards, they say, or consumers cannot make valid comparisons.

“Multistate plans have real potential benefits for consumers,” said Ronald F. Pollack, the executive director of Families USA, a liberal-leaning consumer group. “But there is also potential trouble if the multistate plans are exempted from some consumer protection standards.”

Robert E. Moffit, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said he worried that “the nationwide health plans, operating under terms and conditions set by the federal government, will become the robust public option that liberals always wanted.”

Insurers are pleading with the Office of Personnel Management to provide more detailed guidance.

“We are concerned that O.P.M. has not yet released rules specifying the requirements for the multistate plan,” said Jay A. Warmuth, a lawyer at UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest insurers.

Rules for the new program have been under review by the White House for three months, and officials said they would be issued soon.

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Bashing? That's all this thread has been about! Bashing conservatives. Oh but you do give yourselves a lot of back-pats. This isn't the fucking DNC; I'm entitled to dissent.

I admit myself I mock them and criticize them quite heavily few people here are Republican and if they are either they don't talk about it or don't refer to their current President as a creature, suck up to the Right Wing Goebbels propaganda machine that is Fox News for the "facts", rather than try and read between the lines.

America hasn't a decent Republican President for a very very long time.

Spiky people should have the right to criticize Capitalism, other wise you end just as bad as Communists you hate so much and nothing would change. America's Health Care system is awful and its a big put off for me if I ever wanted to live there along with that I feel some of the politics seem a bit backwards compared to some of Europe. sleep.png

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Been a few days. Give me a bit.

At least Obama's not outright lying about the auto industry bailout like Romney feels he has to to win votes.

Er...

Have I missed something here? Because Obama was the one who was trying to turn things Romney didn't actually say into a smoking gun of sorts; completely ignoring that even if Romney had said what Obama claims, telling GM to just go fuck off wasn't exactly an unpopular sentiment circa-2008/2009. Especially not from regions with a huge industrial capacity but nothing to use to utilize it.

R-Money has been perpetually behind in the polls across Ohio up to now, thanks to his open opposition to the auto industry bailout. So, he has come up with a new strategy to mittigate (geddit?) the negative effects that continues to have on his polling numbers. Can you guess what it is yet? Why, it's the very same strategy he's pursued all along! Lie to the people to gain their support!

I've made my position on this clear multiple times, but I will say specifically related to this that I find it odd that he made a point to stop and say "which is now owned by the Italians" when the previous owners of the company, and the exact people who drove Chrysler into the shitter over the course of the decade prior to the financial meltdown, was Mercedes-Benz (ie. Germans). If he's trying to... I'm not really sure what the point is, but surely any resentment towards FIAT buying Chrysler would have dissipated in 1997 when Mercedes bought Chrysler and fucked them up on purpose compared to FIAT buying them and immediately banking a major stake of the parent company's success on turning Chrysler around.

George W is actually a pretty cool guy for a moron with cultural imperialistic tendencies.Jesse Jackson was an asshole and Clinton only shook my hand before he turned his attention to some lady.

I am shocked (SHOCKED I SAY) by all of this information.

And at least Clinton knows a man has to have priorities.

Mitt's all in favor of deregulation, so oil leaks and spills are going to become more likely as regulations are relaxed.

I hate fighting a fallacy with another fallacy, but... Bush was all about deregulation (except when he wasn't, but that's not the point), and during the 8 years of his presidency we didn't keep time by counting the passage between oil spills like the ad is trying to imply.

And regardless, the typical (and generally justified) levels of outrage that tend to pop up whenever safety deregulation attempts happen would assure that things of that nature wouldn't change regardless of whether Romney or Obama won.

Bashing? That's all this thread has been about! Bashing conservatives. Oh but you do give yourselves a lot of back-pats. This isn't the fucking DNC; I'm entitled to dissent.

I guess everyone just ignores me these days.

And Joss Whedon should be ashamed of himself for denouncing Capitalism ( http://www.breitbart...Capitalist-Rant ) considering how his Avengers film is the biggest merchandising whore since Star Wars Episode III.

The same Joss Whedon who works in Hollywood? Where Hollywood Accounting is a thing that exists and is usually (most of the time, because it generally isn't called on unless one of the stars gets screwed) completely legit; and I'm pretty sure has screwed him over at least twice (See: Alien Resurrection, Buffy the Vampire Slayer)?

Can't imagine how he would be disenfranchised.

Obama Adminstration is set to sponsor Nationwide Health Insurance

http://www.nytimes.c...nwide.html?_r=2

Holy shit. Obama doing something for healthcare that isn't just giving insurance companies a government-granted monopoly?

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I suppose in light of Hurricane Sandy, Romney's campaign officials felt the need to reaffirm the candidate's stance on disaster relief, that being that FEMA should be destroyed and privatized, and in the case of any responsibilities that can't be, simply send them to the states. Ayn Rand's Romney's America folks.

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I suppose in light of Hurricane Sandy, Romney's campaign officials felt the need to reaffirm the candidate's stance on disaster relief, that being that FEMA should be destroyed and privatized, and in the case of any responsibilities that can't be, simply send them to the states. Ayn Rand's Romney's America folks.

That's going to hurt him badly, if the Obama campaign whips it out like a massive rhetorical dong and slaps him about with it. Romney might come back with an "omg ur politicizing dis tragedy" line though, depending on how that potential attack is worded. All they need to do is quote Romney verbatim and run the ads incessantly in every swing state east of the Mississippi and they could start turning Florida and Virginia more their way than Romney's.

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Which would be enormously stupid because the only reason this was even brought up again by his campaign officials was for politicization of the hurricane.

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I suppose in light of Hurricane Sandy, Romney's campaign officials felt the need to reaffirm the candidate's stance on disaster relief, that being that FEMA should be destroyed and privatized, and in the case of any responsibilities that can't be, simply send them to the states. Ayn Rand's Romney's America folks.

Oh god, don't even get me STARTED on Ayn Rand. Did you know that Ryan actually gave a Ayn book to his colleuges a few years back for Christmas?

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So Obama cancelled out today and Bill Nelson and Clinton took his place. So it was Borderlands 2 time. Got 40 Legendaries due to all the cancelled classes. Time well spent my friends.

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