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44 minutes ago, PaulyBFromDa303 said:

I haven't posted an opinion on any of this as of yet. Not even on my Facebook.

 

Not much we can do now but wait and see what happens. Give him a chance, so to say. To be honest maybe a fresh mind NOT corrupted by past politics could be a good thing. Sure he's bankrupted like 10 companies which sounds bad but people say things like that without looking at the WHOLE PICTURE. 10 out of 210 is actually not that bad. He knows what he's doing on a business standpoint, and with the country being $20 TRILLION IN DEBT, he's talking about cutting government spending and even cutting some forms of government out of the system.

 

Now, do I think he's actually gonna deport immigrants? Probably only the illegals. Probably only the ones who never filled out the paperwork to become a US citizen, but even then I don't see it happening. Besides, there's too many other governors and senators who spoke out and refuse to do just that. People just need to PAY ATTENTION to the WHOLE PICTURE.

 

We ALL know the government can be corrupt. Which is why I reiterate, it's probably a good thing to have a FRESH MIND in office, even if his intelligence has probably deteriorated in the last two decades. You know, at first I didn't like the idea of it. But even though we don't have a choice, we can't really say anything until time passes, I'm anxious to see how the first 100 days are gonna turn out, let alone the next 2 years.

Your assumption assumes that he's a fresh mind, when he's just as entrenched in the corruption as any of the corporate elite, perhaps even moreso.

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That could be true as well. I try not to think of the negative that could happen. I expect it but I don't dwell on it. Sure he could start some shit with China, say, like try to screw them up financially or start a war, and we could all be roast tomorrow. Who knows? He could be impeached, which would put Mike Pence in charge. And honestly that's worse. Pence is the Gollum to Trump's Smeagol. That's a great comparison I'd say

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17 minutes ago, PSI Wind said:

So, https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate-change and https://www.whitehouse.gov/lgbt no longer exist. I give up. I hope this new Russian-controlled country gets raped and pillaged for the next 4 years. Make the dollar worth the same, if not less, than the rubble. I fucking just give up.

Considering the number of people on SSMB alone who are from the US and are probably fucking terrified of the changes to come, I don't think it's a good idea to start wishing the entire country go through that shit, especially considering you'd be wishing ill will on those who wanted nothing to do with the man in the first place. Considering the number of LGBT members on SSMB too, I don't think they're especially happy to see that page taken down either, so why wish them and everyone else who hates Trump to be stuck in a country that's going to be going through enough shit in the next four years because of this idiot being the president, so why make them suffer though even more shit like you're asking?

At this point, I'm just hoping those in the US get through the next four years without much pain because of this idiot being in power.

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26 minutes ago, PSI Wind said:

So, https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate-change and https://www.whitehouse.gov/lgbt no longer exist. I give up. I hope this new Russian-controlled country gets raped and pillaged for the next 4 years. Make the dollar worth the same, if not less, than the rubble. I fucking just give up.

Hahaha, yea I'm sure Trump isn't going to utterly rape, pillage and devastate a bunch of countries before he does that. Which he won't, because he doesn't have that much power. But, let's not forget how important American economy is in the world. Trump pulling back on so many trade deals is already wrecking some havoc in several countries. 

I'm tempted to make a betting game for which country Trump is going to try to attack first. Probably some muslim country, with a lot of oil. I wonder how the wall building plans are working out? It's not gonna happen, but I'm sure the Mexicans are feeling so welcome in America.

I wish this was all a joke. But Trump is real. A real failure of a human being. There's no optimism to be found in someone who disregards others rights so easily and freely. There's no optimism to be found in a violent, sexist, racist and homophobic narcissist who only cares about money. That's the wider picture here, money is secondary. People before money. 

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1 hour ago, PaulyBFromDa303 said:

I haven't posted an opinion on any of this as of yet. Not even on my Facebook.

 

Not much we can do now but wait and see what happens. Give him a chance, so to say. To be honest maybe a fresh mind NOT corrupted by past politics could be a good thing. Sure he's bankrupted like 10 companies which sounds bad but people say things like that without looking at the WHOLE PICTURE. 10 out of 210 is actually not that bad. He knows what he's doing on a business standpoint, and with the country being $20 TRILLION IN DEBT, he's talking about cutting government spending and even cutting some forms of government out of the system.

 

Now, do I think he's actually gonna deport immigrants? Probably only the illegals. Probably only the ones who never filled out the paperwork to become a US citizen, but even then I don't see it happening. Besides, there's too many other governors and senators who spoke out and refuse to do just that. People just need to PAY ATTENTION to the WHOLE PICTURE.

 

We ALL know the government can be corrupt. Which is why I reiterate, it's probably a good thing to have a FRESH MIND in office, even if his intelligence has probably deteriorated in the last two decades. You know, at first I didn't like the idea of it. But even though we don't have a choice, we can't really say anything until time passes, I'm anxious to see how the first 100 days are gonna turn out, let alone the next 2 years.

This. To be completely honest, this fearmongering over Trump gives me flashbacks to when the right wing in USA screamed about Obama being a "muslimterroristfreedomhatingcommieantichrist" Adding more hysteria now will only accomplish the opposite to anyone wanting to do good. If there are mistakes made down the line in his administration, they must be addressed with tact.

http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i60/2/10/22/pc_92715013d5da092c8b1eb246631d5f39.jpg

 

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2 minutes ago, Treacher said:

This. To be completely honest, this fearmongering over Trump gives me flashbacks to when the right wing in USA screamed about Obama being a "muslimterroristfreedomhatingcommieantichrist" Adding more hysteria now will only accomplish the opposite to anyone wanting to do good. If there are mistakes made down the line in his administration, they must be addressed with tact.

http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i60/2/10/22/pc_92715013d5da092c8b1eb246631d5f39.jpg

 

30 minutes ago, Celestia said:

I have been (and still am) scared for a lot of people right now, but please, stop with this nonsense. Please. You aren't helping anyone with this sort of shit.

I suppose. I guess with how much awful crap I've been exposed to for the past year in the media, with how much America appeared to be degrading and devolving, combined with my own fears of how this will affect my own life (Asian - and thus not safe from discrimination for being a minority - American who's going to be entering the workforce soon), and my own cynicism might have made me a tad...paranoid. My apologies.

 

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I mean, I'm not a fan of scaremongering (clearly, considering my second to last post), but let's not act like things aren't looking bad, for some people more than others. For example: the right has already been going after trans people for--well, okay, basically forever, but in particular the past couple years. That is certainly going to get a lot worse now. But the takeaway from this shouldn't be "let's panic," it should be "let's do what we can to fight this". Obviously not everyone can do stuff like protest or otherwise take action, but at the very least you can spread the word when people talk about this sort of thing.

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tl;dr if any right wingers on this forum thought I was on your side because I think scaremongering is bad: l o l

 

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18 minutes ago, Treacher said:

This. To be completely honest, this fearmongering over Trump gives me flashbacks to when the right wing in USA screamed about Obama being a "muslimterroristfreedomhatingcommieantichrist"

14 minutes ago, PaulyBFromDa303 said:

@Treacher My point exactly! People thought Obama was gonna ruin us and look what happened? Perhaps one of the best presidents in history. It's not like we can predict the future or anything. Wasn't life supposed to end four years ago? You know, the Mayan apocalypse theory?

There's a difference between the right wings racist outlook on Obama being a "Muslim" and leaning ever so slightly more towards socialism, and Trump outright making racist and homophobic claims and also putting them into action. The Mayan apocalypse theory is largely based off hysteria and was unscientific, but Trump is shutting down the LGBT and climate change sections of the white house website. Don't try to tell me that doesn't mean anything. 

Obama never said he was against freedom or a muslim (let alone a muslim terrorist), but Trump has outright stated that he intends on making life much harder for Muslims, Mexicans and the LGBT community. And he is very clearly putting his statements into action. 

We know Trump likely isn't going to kick out every muslim from the country and we know that it's unlikely that Trump will build that wall. However, the fact that Trump wishes he could do so and trying to make it a possibility is already enough reason to feel dread. 

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Just because two political parties say the same things about each other doesn't mean both have equivalent arguments. This same kind of lazy thinking is no different from concluding that flat earthers actually have a point because "Well, they say the other side is crazy too, so maybe everyone's crazy!"

Trump voters elected a person with no knowledge, interest, or general moral aptitude necessary for governing because- excusing all the bigotry they latched onto and/or excused- they don't respect intellectualism and working experience because knowing what you're doing is "liberal elitism" or "establishment politics," which is fundamentally no different from someone looking at a plane crash and deciding that a quadriplegic should fly their plane instead because "A pilot crashed a plane once, so what do the experts know?!" They subsequently gave power that's been unprecedented since the 20s to a party that has been anti-minority and anti-poor since they lost the civil rights fight in the 60s, who now have free reign to basically ramrod a whole bunch of legislation that follows those principles through and there's not really gonna be a damn thing anyone can do to stop it.

At the very least, 20 million people are gonna be dropped from their healthcare insurance when Republicans repeal it without replacement (because they never actually had a replacement plan) and many won't be able to immediately recoup any of it because when that goes, the preexisting condition clause goes too. Many of these people are the same disabled coal miners Republicans lied to about reinstating the standard of coal energy in a world where solar will always be cheaper. Ultimately, some of those people are going to die from a combination of aggressive black lung disease and not being able to afford the necessary treatment because "Oh shit, you mean Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing?!" These people played themselves and subsequently the rest of the country because they swallowed right-wing/alt-right talk wholesale, and to be honest I can't be arsed to care about the people responsible for this.

Whatever happens- from the above scenario to weakened LGBT protections, to increased militarization to police, to continued voter disenfranchisement, to eroding of the first amendment right to protest (seriously, they're trying to make it illegal to protest in some states) to a speeding up of the effects of climate change- is going to happen, and we're gonna deserve every single bit of it because the risks were laid out bare and people didn't give care. Xenophobia, pie-in-the-sky dreams of returning America back to the 50s, and progressive apathy won the day. This was an outright moral failure on part of the GOP and on their constituents.

But hey, we stuck it to the black president and those damn liberals amirite?

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Sad day for us here in the States. How did we go from President Obama to Trump? The very man who started his political career questioning if Obama was truly a US citizen is now the President. I am so disgusted with my country right now. ?

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Apparently, 52% of white women voted for Trump, a paltry 12% or so of blacks voted for him, around a quarter or so of asians and hispanics did as well, if I'm not mistaken. Would anyone like to share why they think the country that put Obama in power twice and had polls that predicted a Clinton victory explain this large chunk of non white male voters that not only didn't bude for Trump, but even increased in turnout for him? I've got my own hypothesis, but I'm off to eat lunch. I'll see if I can get the accurate numbers on the final results.

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I never get the "well not all trump supporters agreed with trump on many controversial issues" thing. I mean, okay you'll fight for those causes, and maybe do support those groups, but you still opened the door to making life potentially worse for those same groups in the first place because you saw personal gain and didn't really consider how others would be effected. You still aided in creating the problem you're now fighting against. I mean yeah, we're humans, and are selfish beings, but this? 

2 minutes ago, Treacher said:

Apparently, 52% of white women voted for Trump, a paltry 12% or so of blacks voted for him, around a quarter or so of asians and hispanics did as well, if I'm not mistaken. Would anyone like to share why they think the country that put Obama in power twice and had polls that predicted a Clinton victory explain this large chunk of non white male voters that not only didn't bude for Trump, but even increased in turnout for him? I've got my own hypothesis, but I'm off to eat lunch. I'll see if I can get the accurate numbers on the final results.

Many of those woman were likely conservative or had conservative husbands, and many Hispanic voters were in similar industries that white men were in or were already used to hard labor I'm guessing so didn't think it'd be much worse for them then it is already. I'm still trying to understand black voters though. I mean there are black conservative and traditionalists, and there's always the possibility of being pressured or threatened to vote for him, or maybe just there were some not educated enough on both candidates. Maybe the African American percentage for Trump would have been less if Bernie was running against trump.

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1 hour ago, Treacher said:

Apparently, 52% of white women voted for Trump, a paltry 12% or so of blacks voted for him, around a quarter or so of asians and hispanics did as well, if I'm not mistaken. Would anyone like to share why they think the country that put Obama in power twice and had polls that predicted a Clinton victory explain this large chunk of non white male voters that not only didn't bude for Trump, but even increased in turnout for him? I've got my own hypothesis, but I'm off to eat lunch. I'll see if I can get the accurate numbers on the final results.

Okay, first things first: Trump was only a normal polling error away from victory (polls have margins of error) in the week after Comey's bizarre letter, but the media didn't grab onto that sobering reality, choosing instead to portray Clinton as a sure-fire winner. The media was largely to blame for the shockingness of the win.

Now that that's out of the way, a mix of general conservatism, sexism and distrust of/alienation from Clinton/the "establishment" are likely to be the combined root causes of the votes you'd have thought would have gone to Clinton, but went the other way.

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9 minutes ago, Treacher said:

Apparently, 52% of white women voted for Trump, a paltry 12% or so of blacks voted for him, around a quarter or so of asians and hispanics did as well, if I'm not mistaken. Would anyone like to share why they think the country that put Obama in power twice and had polls that predicted a Clinton victory explain this large chunk of non white male voters that not only didn't bude for Trump, but even increased in turnout for him? I've got my own hypothesis, but I'm off to eat lunch. I'll see if I can get the accurate numbers on the final results.

Let's be clear: the numbers of minorities that moved towards Trump didn't actually make a difference because Trump won flyover states that are overwhelmingly majority white. Had minorities voted 100% for Hillary, she still would've lost. Hell, she won the popular vote and still lost.

This is the result of shitload of bad factors-- Hillary having had a target on her back since Arkansas, not campaigning hard enough in flyover states, the DNC not favoring Bernie, a backlash against establishment politics and multiculturalism, gerrymandering and voter suppression in Republican states, liberal and progressive voting apathy, Comey's obviously-biased fascination with the e-mail scandal, Russian and alt-right collusion and Comey's insistence in not hammering Trump on it until after the election, growing white resentment since the 08' election, Trump tapping into the kind of populism that put Obama in office, skewed reporting in the polls, the media basically giving Trump a shitload of advertising time, hell, faith that we knew better, etc. etc.. Basically, every single bad thing that could have happened did happen. It's not any one person or event's fault; it's instead a perfect storm of a bunch of really terrible shit and lingering problems that we as a country have never really dealt with.

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"The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! FUCK YOU! THEY ARE LITERALLY DOING THIS FOR MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE!

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